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Gotta love the Super-10 logo decal!

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Dave, we are having a lot of fun with the logos. I look forward to having it at the track and hearing the comments.

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The Super 10 build is experiencing some serious progress.

*engine in place, wiring and plumbing making good progress
*trans in place, shifter & hardware connected
*driveshaft measured and ordered

I estimate starting and moving under power in about two weeks. Of course, a list of small items still remains yet I think late July is a reasonable test outing date.

More photos soon

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my choice for driveshaft http://www.wilesdriveshafts.com/id4.html

3.5" aluminum 54 3/8" length combined with Strange pinion flange and Strange two piece hardened trans yoke that I already have on hand.

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that's a long driveshaft for 3.5 dia. I went with 4'' and mine is shorter than yours. at the rpm these things spin in the traps . I would check with the mfg. to be sure it's in the safe zone. m/w has a critical speed chart on there website. don't ask me how many trans cases I broke before we got it right.

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larry heres a link. http://www.markwilliams.com/driveshafttech.aspx sounds like a 3.5'' shaft at 54'' is rated to roughly 6700 rpm. I'm guessing you'll turn it more than that. the 4'' will get you another 1000 rpm. and I would suggest the bonded and not the welded aluminum. according to m/w it's a much truer shaft.

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Mark , I appreciate your posting that information. I have to wonder about that stuff, and I am not trying to dispute science or anything like that, but how did we get away with spinning MP (that's Modified Production for you neophytes) cars to 9000+ rpm with stock driveshafts? I know that some failed, but for the most part driveshaft failure was not a problem. Every case I knew when a drive shaft failed was brought on by another factor.


Just wonderin', you know.

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Dwight I'm guessing the m/p cars driveshafts were much shorter a few inches makes a big difference in it's speed rating. I never had a shaft fail either , but it went into a harmonic just before the finish line that made the whole truck buzz and then it cleared up .

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Dwight, you and I think alike and I was considering the same question.

Anyway, my original order is on the Brown truck and will arrive tomorrow {Thursday}
I plan to install it and give it a whirl [so to speak]

Just for the math exercise Gary Hettler tells me to shift at 8,000 - 8,200. If someone want to estimate the finish line RPM use a 5% converter slip, 32 x 14 M/T bias tire, 6.00 rear gear.

When I do the initial testing it will be at Texas Motorplex 1/8 mile bracket race. That will let me get a feel without the 1/4 finish line buzz.

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also, it would be interesting to know what RPM others with 3.5" aluminum driveshaft 54" in length are spinning them.

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Larry, assuming M/T #3074's, which they show as having 100" rollout and will probably grow 2"-4" at least at 130 MPH (I'm guessing at your teminal speed) my formula predicts 7920 RPM with 100% lock up. Multiply that by 1.05 for slippage and you have 8316 RPM. So, maybe you get a little tingle, LOL.

My '65 Chevelle with it's 115" wheelbase has a shaft approaching 60" and I think my guy is using 3.5" steel. Back in the day, I spit out a stock GM 'shaft at 100+ but it was because the u-joint failed. If you happen to be nodding off like I was, it will wake you up. And destroy you trans case as someone mentioned.
Ken

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Well, I do not know the length of a stock early Camaro driveshaft, but every one of those I drove or owned was way over 6700 rpm in the lights, and I never broke a driveshaft. And they were not 3.5" diameter and not aluminum.


In fact, the only driveshaft I ever broke was an experimental carbon fiber driveshaft that I spit out on the starting line at Baton Rouge.

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Dwight, the OEM Camaro drive shaft if 49.75" long without the yoke and 55" with them. The diameter is 2.75" and the tubes were thick walled DOM carburized tubes. Therefore, they were very stout from the factory. Usually, the U-Joints were the first thing to fail. Also, in the early days the slicks did not have the traction and grip of today's slicks and suspensions were not as good either.Although the RPM's were high, the engines did not make as much power as today's engines either.

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I noticed something good this afternoon. My stock of shiny parts is smaller because they are bolted on the truck :)

Sometimes the smallest of things gives me pleasure. I like neat plug wires and find the MSD two piece, snap together too bulky for my liking.

Instead, these small "help" looms from the local parts store look just right and fit the wires easily.

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in photo #183 notice the starter bump button

and two more photos of the mostly finished engine

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Ken,

I think your math is close. I had also estimated 8300 - 8400 engine finish line RPM. Gary Hettler suggested 8200 shift point so it's all fitting about right.

A few recorded runs with the Race Pac will tell the real story :)

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Larry during time trials at a Motorplex's bracket race they have the 1/4 mile clocks turned on. Several racers take advantage of that opportunity to make a few 1/4 mile passes before we start the 1/8th mile race.

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Larry,, that starter bump button looks like you could dial in some delay to it if you wanted to! The motor is looking good.
Danny Durham

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Larry,
Do you have a similar button to bump the fuel pump for fuel check? Just a suggestion.

Thanks for sharing your build.

Sean

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Sean, good suggestion, the wiring is still working so it will be easy to add that. Thanks, good catch.

A button mounted on the motor place right there by the valve wold be a convenient tool.

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The fuel pump button allows me to push the button to fill the fuel sample cup, and is within reach of the fuel sample valve. No leaving the pump running to go thru fuel check.

Sean

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Good choice on the carb! Those folks have been wonderful to deal with on our cars. Keep up the pics! I enjoy the progress.

Michael Compton

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Sean,

got ya covered.

*Momentary toggle on - off - on. Works either way

*RacePac fuel pressure sensor

*Aeromotive sampling valve

*Wiring runs for fuel pump toggle, pressure sensor, temp sender, water pump & fan.

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In case the 3.5" x 54" Aluminum driveshaft pitches it's self out of the truck we have evidence of it installed :)

I like the "bolt on" Strange yoke, having installed one in several buildups.

Also, We have seen comments about CMD anti-seize lube. The last set of Callies rods I bought included a small tube of CMD in the box. Callies recommends it on the rod bolts. Later I bought some larger tubes and have used it in the correct places, example, with the u-joint caps shown here.

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CMD lube = good stuff

http://www.cmdlubeoil.com/extreme_pr...ubricants.html

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Some minor catch up notes. The last few days have brought several completion items.

*Fuel system plumbing finished
*Brake system finished
*Rear axle assemble finished
*Engine finished
*Transmission finished
*Driveshaft installed
*Shifter installed
*RacePak roughed in
*Most wiring roughed in and terminated on at least one end
*Gauges finished

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a few more catch up notes;

photo # 191 junction on front motor plate.

*fuel pump momentary for fuel check
*water pump
*fan

This allows wiring to be dis-connected as needed.

Photos #192 & 193 show how the wiring "will not look" in a few days. It will all be bundled and finalized right away.

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I have the same fuel sample valve on the Mustang...nice piece.

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Looks great Larry. Cant wait to see it in person at the Motorplex soon!

Will try not to drool all over it!

Ken

Stock 412

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I have junction strips like the one you are using on your motor plate in my Mustang, but they are in the cockpit. Each one of those connections represents an exposed hot wire in an area that could get splattered with liquid like water or....gasoline! Having toasted all my wiring in an engine fire, I would recommend fabricating a cover of some sort for that.

Are those circuits fused? If not, perhaps fabricate an insulated strip with a string of Bussman circuit breakers on it to replace the connection strip. That would protect your equipment and help prevent a short while still providing the convenience of being able to disconnect something at the turn of a nut.

Dale

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Dale,

everything is fused with the Digital Delay fuse/relay panel.

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The Super 10 progress is good. At this time I think a test at Texas Motorplex July 25th bracket race is completely within reach :)

Most likely I will fire it up this weekend and check all systems for operation.

I already know all electrical items work normally, fuel system good to go, brakes ready, so stand by for smoke! [good smoke from a new engine]

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Good to hear you are ahead of schedule, Larry.

I have a question for you regarding your Hurst Quarter Stick. I have one in my Mustang and the Allen head screws that hold the trigger and shift lever to the main stick keep falling out. Is this unusual or did you Lock Tite yours? My shifter fell apart in traffic coming back from the paint booth today. Embarrassing... I've taken to keeping a hex key set in the car at all times.

Dale

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Dale, that shifter is at least 7 seasons and has been in three different cars. Never any loose screws.

Sounds like locktite would be your friend

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Yea, the Super 10 is alive! Spun over couple of times and fired right up.

Sounds great, just like a real racer. Everything is looking good. No oil or fluid leaks, oil pressure as expected, idles good, throttle is sharp. Did a valve lash check after running about 5 mins, all is OK, nothing changed.

Powerglide operating correctly, all gears and trans brake normal operation.

One thing that gave me a smile, with the 1.98 low in trans and 6.0 rear gear at about 1200 RPM idle in low gear the rear tires are moving rather slowly. I think pit road speed limit will be easily conformed:)

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Don't forget the GoPro on it's maiden voyage. :)

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So,, you're saying you've got a screw loose,,,,,,,,,,,,,, interesting.
Sorry, Dale I had to do it. Hope to see you again at the next combo,, keep thrashing.
Danny Durham

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Serious progress

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Comfort and convenience when in the "command center"

Out with old fashion crank up windows ! In with new Delco motor/regulator assemblies. Parts from an S - 10 Blazer are a direct bolt in.

Finding door switches and wiring harness would require scouting the U Pull It's but I have no desire to spend time doing that.

Instead, source two DPDT momentary switches on - off - on from local store for $9.00 each. Then build a custom harness and switch mount. Total time for wiring and switches about two hours. I would still be at the U Pull it.

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Larry ..... ya'll need some Air Conditioning too while sitting in those long hot staging lanes :)