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Pontiacs won 7 different classes at the '63 Winter Nats. I realize these results are not in order. Just posting them as I run across 'em.

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Pontiacs won 3 classes at the '69 Winter Nats. Lindy Lindholm won I/SA, in a '58. Don't know how many different Pontiacs he raced. I suppose he'd still be racing one, if it hadn't been stolen. :(

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Gary Moore won F/S & set the nat record.

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Pontiacs won a couple of classes at the '70 Winter Nats. A Pontiac also held the K/SA nat record at the time.

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Here are some Stock rules from 1966. I thought they were very interesting.

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This post says that Ramon Lowe set the C/SA mph record. But, the car appears to be a '62 GP, clearly marked E/SA.

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In June '68, Pontiacs held several Stock records.

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There were 3 Pontiac class winners at the '69 US Nats.

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Can't remember if I've posed a link to this video or not. Anyhow, it's just a 5-min video, which has several Pontiacs in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyU-M0Pw51o

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Think I've mentioned this here before. But, I wanna bring it up again.

In 1973, at my home track, Stock class cars could not run soft compound slicks or cheater slicks. They had to be the hard compound full tread street tires.

That's what the NHRA rule book said.

"In the 1973 NHRA rule book it states that cars in stock class are required to use street tires with full tread pattern. Any tire wheel combination may be used if it will fit into the original wheel well opening. Tires must not be altered from the tire manufacturer's original design or pattern. "CHEATER SLICKS' WILL NOT BE ALLOWED. "

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...5-jpg.1153558/

But, for 1974, we could run a new DOT cheater slick. It had 2 small grooves. Below are pics of M&H tires, that are still sold today. The tread pattern looks exactly as I remember, on those tires we ran in '74.

Anybody have a 1974 NHRA rulebook, from which you could copy & paste the tire rules, for Stock Elim ?

So, were any of you guys running Stock Elim in '74, even if only at your local track ? If so, did you run any of these tires, or know of others who did ?

I've read that NHRA actually made these tires legal, towards the end of the '73 season, just in time for the US Nats. After thinking this over, I remember that Truman Fields won the US Nats that year, in his '68 Bird. In the final, he & his opponent both set new nat records. I think Truman turned a 12.06.

So, now I'm wondering if both cars were using those DOT cheater slicks then. Anyone here know, for sure ?

On my computer files image, I can see wrinkles in Truman's RR tire. That means the tire was a wrinkle wall drag tire. That tells me that he was running those DOT Cheater slicks.

Sorry I don't have a way to produce a clear larger image. The last pic is of the tire on the Al Vanis, '74 Ventura, US Nats winner. Again, the pic is not clear, but appears to show wrinkles, even tho the car was sitting still in that pic. So, I assume he was also running the M&H DOT cheater slicks.

9"slicks were legal in '75. Does anybody here have more info on those DOT Cheater slicks which NHRA allowed in '74, & possibly the end of the '73 season ?

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Here's 3 more Pontiac wagons I found.

The caption under the last pic says that car swept Stock Elim. I assume that was at the Winter Nats. Also mentions the year 1967. The drivers name was Graham Douglas. So, do any of you guys have 1967 Winter Nats results, showing the Stock winner's name ?

A couple of online sources does show that car as the Jr. Stock winner.

https://www.revolvy.com/page/1967-NHRA-Winternationals

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/NHRA_Winternationals

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One source for this info is the Doug Boyce book: Junior Stock, which came out in 2012. I'd love to have a copy. But I'm not paying $55 for one.

https://www.amazon.com/Junior-Stock-.../dp/1934709913

Anybody here have a copy, you'd sell, real cheap, or would agree to look up race results in ?

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Here's a '65 version of the Packer Pontiac Pampered Papoose.

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Got a few more Tons-a-Fun pics. As many here know, Gary & Charlene Wood ran at least 2 different wagons. One had a regular Lemans front. The other had the GTO type front, which I think was called the T-41 option.

They ran both the round port & D-port 455 engines. The 7th pic shows one of 'em before the Tons-a-Fun lettering was added. The last pic shows one of 'em painted black, which I assume was after Gary sold it.

Maybe if I've provided any bad info, Charlene will chime in & correct it.

I loved these wagons !

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More pics of old D/S & D/SA record holders. Some mentioned before.

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Combing back thru some old threads here.

Found this thread, showing that Bryan Phillips won a race on Dec 1 of 2012, at Gainsville.

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=44617

Not listed as a nat event or Lucas Oil Series race. So, anybody have more details about this race, or a link to race results ?

http://www.nhradiv2.com/apcm/templat...2593&zoneid=14

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Got a few more stocker pics.

(1) Another win for the E/SA '63 Cat.

(2) The Swiss Cheese frame, of a resto in progress.

(3) Don Himes, '77 GP.

(4) Big Pontiac heads a long line of Stockers, that appear to be parked in front of the grandstands, just so fans could get a closer look. I find that very interesting. Nowadays, most fans could care less about Stockers. But it wasn't always that way.

(5) Another S/SA win for Carol Cox.

(6) Ken Shawver '71 E/SA Lemans.

(7) Kyle Riley, "Who's Next" '77 Lemans.

[8) Kyle again. Assume it's the same car with different paint.

(9) Tin Tiger 2, 1967 GTO.

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Here's some more pics I don't think I've posted.

(1) "MIMI" '66 GTO.

(2) Dunn & Young '66 GTO.

(3) Neill Pontiac '65 GTO.

(4) Ray Faro '69 Judge.

(5) Garber Pontiac '69 GTO.

(6) Silver '69 Judge. My '69 GTO looked like this, less the Judge wing, stripes & emblems. Many non-Pontiac guys probably still think all '69 Judges were orange. When they 1st came out, that was the only color available. This was the case, when I ordered mine in early '69. I wanted a Judge. But I told the salesman I wasn't about to drive around in an orange car. :)

(7) 2-car rig hauling the Knafel Pontiac '66 GTO's.

[8) Side view of Knafel rig.

(9) J/SA Wagon.

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More:

(1) Mike McKinney's Blue E/S '68 Bird does a burnout.

(2) Mike @ US 131.

(3) Bryan Phillips @ Indy, when his '67 was still white.

(4) LMP '67 Bird. Don't know if it set the nat record, or just ran a pass equal to the nat record, that someone else held.

(5) I think this is an all-Pontiac round, tween the Garber Pontiac 2nd gen Bird & a '69 GTO. If I'm wrong about the GTO, someone correct me.

(6) Burgundy D/S Truman Fields '68 Bird. He ran 'em with several different paint jobs, and in several different classes.

(7) Green BPS. I assume this was run in B-Pure Stock.

[8) Here it is in C/S, with a multi-colored paint job. I just ASSUME all these are the same car. I suppose only he, & a few others, such as Todd Hoven, actually know, for sure.

(9) The last pic is from a few years earlier. Just assume this was the original HT, before it was sold to Roy & Mike McKinney.

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After searching thru LOTS of pages in the Nostalgia Stock/SS section, I must say again how much damage Photobucket, & other pic hosting sites used for most of the pics in that section, have done to completely ruin entire pages of threads.

It sorta reminds me of walkin thru a former nice city or community, which has been totally destroyed by bombing, or some type of natural disaster. :(

I mean, many of the posts contain comments about the pics that WERE in a previous post, but are no longer visible. It makes many of the comments completely useless, since you don't know what was in the pic referred to.

I ASSUME that a VERY small number of those now defunct pics were of Pontiacs, which I could have used. It just makes the search that much longer & less fun. MUCH of the time I've spent searching that section has been totally useless, & not much fun. I really enjoy it when I can search thru a thread & am able to find just one or 2 Pontiac pics I didn't have. I suppose it's sorta like panning for gold. They only found a real nugget on rare occasions.

But, at least they could look & tell what was NOT gold. On most of those pages, I can't see any cars of any brand. I assume others besides me have had this unpleasant experience, with the old threads.

As they say, "rant over", at least for now.

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Tom Kasch posted lots of pics & lists in the Nostalgia Stock/SS section. I may have already posted some of the lists. But, I'm not gonna comb back thru the entire thread to see.

This 1st list is of nat records in '82. Jack Matyas had the low ET record in O/SA, with his '74 Ventura. Larry Maxwell had the mph record, with his '74 GTO.

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...48&postcount=1

In '83, Kevin Thomas held the low ET record in N/S, in a '74 Lemans. Only '74 stick Lemans Stocker I remember reading about.

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...57&postcount=2

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In '79, Pontiacs held a few nat records.

Fred Moore & Bob Maxey held the SS/JA mph record in a '73 SD455 Bird.

Roy & Mike McKinney held the E/S nat record, in their '68 Bird.

Both M/S & N/S records were held by '74 Venturas.

Rock Running held the E/SA ET record, in his '71 455HO Lemans

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=73444

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In '68, some of the old Pontiacs still held nat records in several Stock classes.

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...20&postcount=1

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Kevin Thomas’s car was a 74 gto, not a Lemans. It was purchased from Buddy King from Plainfield, In who held the record in m/s previously. Kevin sold the car to Mike McDonald (his first 74 gto). Kevin was from Petersburg, In.

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Thanks for that info !

They made a misprint. Had it listed as a Lemans.

Guessing there are LOTS of mistakes in old NHRA records.

BY the way, any pics ya'll can add of any of the cars mentioned in this thread will be appreciated. Also, any current contact info for any of those who actually raced these cars might help us get more info and/or pics.

As with other brands, most of these old cars have been passed down & raced by several different owners.

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In '75, Mick Leiferman held the G/SA record with his '71 GTO. His name was spelled Mike, on the list.

Charlene Wood held the I/SA record, with the Tons-A-Fun '72 Lemans wagon. Her name was spelled Sharleen, on the list.

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=75477

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65 Pontiac Tempest for sale on Facebook /Seymour, Ct.

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Here's a change of pace. It's a 1973 Pontiac 4-door heavyweight. These are the only pics I've ever seen of this car.

It was named the "Tijuana Taxi". It ran T/SA. Had Vaughn / Marvosh on the front doors. Driven by Dave Marvosh.

Don't know what engine that would have been. But, it won a race at Columbus, with a 16.56 @ 70.69 mph.

Also was featured in a Motor Wheel ad.

With a magnifying glass, I think I can read "National Record Holder 1974", on the roof. Not sure. Anybody have more info/pics for this car ?

You'll notice For Sale signs on it. Unless I have my stories mixed up, I think Dave Katt borrowed the car & won class at the US Nats. Someone correct me, if that's wrong.

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Names & paint jobs on drag cars have always been interesting, to me.

Here's a 007 Pontiac. Wonder how many cars used that name, back when the James Bond movies 1st got popular ?

https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/...ogical-release

I've mentioned the Acre Maker cars, which the Moore family raced. I think the Dad, Roland Moore, was driving the big car when the Indy pic was taken.

Then we have a big Pontiac with a red/white, candy-stripe top.

And, of course, a tiger stripe. Assume it was orange.

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Will do !

Thanks ! :)

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Just listened to the podcast interview of Rock & Ginny Running.

It was great ! I give it a 10.

Rock mentioned several Pontiacs he had. For those who don't know, his 1st really competitive dedicated Stocker, was a '74 GTO. He only ran it in '74, then sold it to Dave Pruden.

He then bought a '71 T-37, which he raced from '75 - '82. Won his 1st nat event, in the T-37, at the Spring Nats in Columbus, in '81. Sold it to Ken Shawver. Then Danny Ashley had it. Has changed hands several times. I think Don Turk has it now. All Rock's cars were named "Super Sleeper". Said one of his kids came up with the name, back when he had a big, heavy, slow, Pontiac, which I think was a '66 Cat.

Ginny said she never missed a race, & always kept records of what Rock did each pass, as well as what his competition did. Rock credits Ginny & her detailed records with much of his racing success.

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Looks like Randi Lyn Shipp & Brad Burton have the only Pontiac powered Stockers at the AZ Nats. Randi was #19, & Brad was #42, in Q-1.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

Rain Sat. So, they plan to run a couple of rounds of elims, after Pro qualifyting.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

In Q-2 Randi Lyn was #21, & Brad was #24.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

Brad survived 3 rounds of elims. :)

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

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Panning thru the Nostalgia section & found this nugget.

I suppose everybody here besides me already knew where to find this info.

It's a list of NHRA Nat event results from 1955 thru 2000. Of course, the 1998 & later results are listed on DRC.

But, a quick scan thru some of the years revealed some Pontiac powered wins & RU's I was not aware of, as far as I know.

Now I'm not familiar with every driver name that ran a Pontiac powered car in all those races. So, there could be some Pontiacs on some of these lists I miss. Also, as we all know, LOTS of guys have raced different brands of cars, during their driving career.

So, for some of you guys who were there back when a particular race was run, I need ya'll to point out any Pontiac powered car I might miss, AND any name I list as having been driving a Pontiac, who was actually driving some other brand, at that race.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/resultslist.html

I'll post this on the Pontiac SS thread, then start going up thru the years & listing all Pontiac wins & RU's I find, listing the Stock cars on this thread & the SS cars on the SS thread.

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Pretty sure I've already mentioned this 1st one. Jim Wangers won Stock at the 1960 Nationals.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1960

https://www.sema.org/sema-news/2010/...liminator-1960

Next win I see is in '66. Arlen Vanke won the Spring Nats, & Bill Abraham was RU. I assume it was an all-Pontiac final, between 2 of the Bill Knafel Tin Indian GTO'S. If this is not correct, somebody please post the correct info.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1966

Bill Abraham was also RU @ the World Finals that year, in another all-Pontiac final, against Jay Hamilton's '58 Pontiac. Abraham was driving the '65 Tin Indian GTO.

http://www.classracer.com/classforum...9&postcount=53

Hey ya'll, that ain't bad. There were 4 nat events that year, & there was an all-Pontiac Stock final, at half of 'em ! :)

Jay Hamilton also won the Spring Nats, in '67.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1967

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I'll break in here with this news flash. Brad Burton just won E-4 in both Stock & SS. Going into the semi-finals. For me, it would be super-cool if he sweeps Stock & SS, with Pontiac power. :)

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

He also won the Stock semi. So, he can pick up another Pontiac nat event win !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

He won ! :)

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

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In '69, Max Sterling won D/S & got the Stock win, @ the Spring Nats, in the White Lightning 421SD car.

https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0117-26...ite-lightning/

John Thropp was RU, at the World Finals.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1969

Next Pontiac names I recognize are the US Nats Stock winners for '73 & '74, Truman Fields & Al Vanis.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1973

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1974

In '75, Mick Leiferman began his 3-year run of RU finishes, at the US Nats, in his '71 GTO.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1975

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In '76, Charlene Wood won the Grandnational race, North of the border, in one of the Tons-a-Fun '72 Lemans wagons. Mick Leiferman got his 2nd RU at the US Nats, as well as RU @ the Summer Nats. Rock Running got RU @ the Gators.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1976

Then of course, in '77, Mike McKinney won Stock & Mick got his 3rd RU in a row, at the US Nats.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1977

In '78, Rock got RU @ the World Finals.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1978

In '80, Ray Stover got RU @ the Spring Nats, in his Kathy's Clown '70 GTO.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1980

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In '81, Rock Running won the Spring Nats & was RU @ the US Nats. Larry Maxwell was RU @ the World Finals.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1981

In '82, Rock was RU @ the Summer Nats & Larry Maxwell was RU again, @ the World Finals. Billy Joe Moravits was RU @ the Cajuns.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1982

In '83, Roy McKinney got RU @ the Sports Nats, & Larry Maxwell got RU @ the Golden State Nats.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1983

In '85, Mike McKinney won the Spring Nats.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1985

In '87, Harry Axemaker won Stock @ the Winter Nats. John Schloe was RU @ the Mile-High Nats.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1987

In '88, Ken Shawver won the US Nats ! Harry Axemaker won the Northstar Nats.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1988

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In '93, Jack Larsen is listed as the winner @ the Slick 50 Nats. The only car I show for Jack is a '77 Lemans. But, I have no idea what he was driving when he won that race. Anybody know ?

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1993

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Don’t know about Jack, but did you notice that Mike McDonald was runner up at Indy (no small feat) and then 2 months later won at Texas that year in his 74 GTO.

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Thanks for that info !

I had no idea he ran a '74 GTO. Not familiar with the name. Those lists don't reveal what car or class any of the Stockers were running. Only the driver's name. I suppose I should remember the name, since it was posted in this thread.

https://classracer.com/classforum/sh...&postcount=119

So, all help in identifying the Pontiac powered cars is appreciated. :)