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ooops, wrong part number about the Edelbrock heads. The listed replacement heads for a 350/360 engine are

*60617
*60637
*60647
*60887

I will need to sort out the options about the casting. If someone knows about the Edelbrock castings listed as replacements please educate me.

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Yeah I made a couple trips around the pits looking to introduce myself and never found you.

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Sorry to hear about the problems with your engine. I lost one if my engines to a valve breaking at the end of last year. Pretty much destroyed one head and all of the pistons and a rod. Also had to sleeve one of the cylinders. The second engine was lost a few weeks ago with a broken crankshaft. I have been plagued with engine issues for the past year so I feel bad for you.

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Thanks,

The thing is, I have been drag racing for 50 years and overall I have not experienced much breakage. Mostly I have built conservative packages that do not push the limits. Yet, when spinning an engine 8600 RPM plus the factor increases to greater chances of a failure.

The Super 10 engine was built with the best parts within the rules allowed, everything was triple checked, however, stuff happens.

This happening will hinder my schedule for a while but I'll be back.

Once I tear down and inspect the damage, depending on what it needs, I may change engine combinations. Am considering some 350 CI combo.

Monday morning while draining the "oil" pan, it is full of water :(

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We are moving forward.

The engine repair is under way and we will be ready for the 2016 season :)

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I hind sight, I realize I was premature is saying I would close out the Super 10 series. At the time of my "closing it out statement" I did not consider the ongoing changes that die in the wool hot rodders will always be making.

In addition, a broken intake valve was the farthest thing from my mind.

So, we move on.

First, the broken intake valve is my fault. I knew the valve to piston clearance was border-line too close yet thought it would be OK. Also, more than once I let the engine get away from me in the water. The 327 likes RPM and in the water the gas pedal just kinda falls away from my foot :) It will get on an 8800 chip before you can say don't do it.

Lessons are learned and adjustments made. The rebuilt engine will have "enough" clearance and the driver will do a better job of RPM control.

Second, the 6.0 rear gear is slightly too much at the finish line. I am changing to a 5.86 gear and that will lower the finish line RPM by about 200.

The 6.0 gear was a Strange/US gear that I sent to have REM and Cryo treated.

With the 5.86 I decided on a Richmond 9310 series and installed it out of the box. I like the Richmond better. It setup right on the money and has a good pattern.

Photo #108 shows the pinion depth setup tool on place.

Photo # 107 shows the dial indicator reading that means the pinion depth is exactly as etched on the pinion.

Photo # 109 shows pinion dept number

Photo #110 shows desirable gear pattern.

And another in hind sight observation. My race experience with a Chevy 12 bolt has been good. I have built and installed a number of 12 bolts and all give good service.

However, because of the steep gear need with the Super 10 the 12 bolt pinion becomes very small. I now realize a 9" Ford would be a better choice when selecting the very low ratios.

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Seems like a 2 step rev control is what you need when doing your burnout. They will flat get away from you in the water and a 6000 chip would be just what the doctor ordered. I have raced forever but I sure like the extra insurance in the water.

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Look at a MSD 8737 THREE STEP unit gives you all three options burn out/launch/top end RPM's--FED 387

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The three step is my plan. I have done so in the past and should have had it in place from the beginning.

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Larry I always set the pinion depth a little deeper into the ring gear to make them last. The 12 bolt deflects so much it will actually move to a more correct patter in use. I also set the back lash a tick tighter. Doesn't give a good pattern but the small pinions will last and not fold over as quick. I assume you do away with the crush sleeve and use a solid one, Aye! OH and I don't use shims behind the pinion bearing. I have seen them have a nasty habit of coming out on decel at 8600. Shim behind the rear pinion bearing race & case.

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X2


Heat treating from Tom's Differentials was the best mod I ever did. We ran 6.14s in our 283 station wagons and the heat treat doubled pinion life.

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Super 10 update:

All parts to reassemble the engine are in hand except for one cylinder head and the head is expected soon.

The rebuild will follow the original specifications except for .030" more intake valve to piston clearance.

One change, the original build had a 6.0 rear gear and I have changed to a 5.86 rear gear. I think the slight gear change will be a positive move. It was just buzzing along the last 150 feet or so.

Otherwise all else is the same and I expect it to be race ready end of January. A few engine assembly photo updates will follow soon.

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Awesome news Mr. W. Can't wait for early spring at the Motorplex. :)

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The Super 10 will soon ride again.

It was a good work day with block master Monte, he:

*fitted the rings
*removed all galley plugs
*washed with soap & hot water
*dried and oiled
*block is on engine stand ready to assemble

Monte doing the final drying.

Next week the short block will be assembled

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A fine and cool East Texas morning with MSD 7AL-2 hot sparks :)

The initial build was with an MSD 6AL which has given good service. With some trading between race packages this 7AL-2 became available so the Super 10 receives the upgrade.

In addition for easier access the ignition is being moved from behind the passenger seat.

Because the 7AL-2 has extra RPM module ports a plug in component can also be removed.

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this allows both our race packages to become accustomed to each other, They will take turns being on top.:)

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Larry

What is the HP rating for the 327 with the 585 quick fuel carb? I just picked up a 327 engine.

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Mike,
If I have this figured correctly in your car you would have to run GT with a factor of 293 auto.
With a Q Jet a factor of 295 in super stock.
I have looked at this for my 67 camaro.
Seems to me the Q Jet would be worth the extra 2hp with the auto.
In my car with a stick the small carb is 289 in GT.

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Mike,

it is the 1966 Corvette 327/300 @ 293 for SS/GT classes.

the 585 Quick Fuel is a good carb. While I understand many racers run great with a Q-Jet I elected the simplicity of the Holley

At 3170 pounds the Super 10 has run 10.40 in 2700 feet air. The original build has been improved in several small ways and I "expect" 10.20's this season.

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We have progress with the Super 10 engine package. It going back together with a triple check of EVERYTHING :)

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Super 10 progress continues. The short block is finished.

It has been many years and many builds since one of my builds included a dip stick. yet, now it seems like a good idea.

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Super 10 updates are on the back burner for a while. The East Texas economy is greatly depressed these days. In my home town of Kilgore Tx the City has made great strides with attracting and diversifying business other than oil related.

Yet Kilgore and surrounding areas remain strongly tied to oil production as major cash suppliers for the local economy.

2016 marks 44 years of owning and operating a small automotive repair shop [Woodfin Automotive] I have weathered many cycles of up and down business but this round is the worst ever.

Many folks laid off, many shops closed. It is a very tough time.

We are hunkered down and being very thrifty. No race money is on the horizon.

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Patience Larry...there is no rush. I've been taking my time with current projects and it is so much more relaxing not pushing myself into arbitrary deadlines. ;)

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Hand, I will have my creditors contact you so you can explain the "be patient" "he'll pay you someday" :)

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Best wishes Larry. You will survive. Times are tough all over.

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While the Super 10 is temporally out of commission it will race again. I have the D 4 Lucas Race at Thunder Road in September on my calendar!

One update consideration. I have talked with Dean Oliver about a 4 GC carb and may do that. It will allow the truck to run "C" and be closer to the min class weight.

Thanks for all the encouragement, we will be back .

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In giving thought to this post I am struggling with exactly how to present this change.

My struggle is mostly based on my long time, make that lifelong quest to go faster. Yet, here is, a smaller carb. Whew, what an adjustment.

However, at least in theory, the 4 GC does hold an advantage for the Super 10.

Originally I ran it as the 327/300/293 with Quick Fuel 585 carb. As the numbers worked out I was 120 or so pounds too heavy for "B" but could not drop to "C" because the 327/300/293 makes it a natural "A" package.

The truck is as light as I can practically make it [within reason] To reduce it by 100 + pounds would require a moly cage and new moly back half. That is simply not a reasonable option

Enter the 327/250/270 with Rochester 4 GC.

Now I can run "C" and only be about 35 or so pounds heavy.

In addition, with an 11.10 index in "C" I may be able to move up a few places on the qualifying ladder.

So, we will see. I hear good feedback about the 4CG running well and being consistent. Yet, it sure is small :)

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Notice the decal is larger than the carb. :)

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Do you know a part number for that AN fitting in the carb's fuel inlet? I'd like to get a fitting just like that if I can.

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Dave,

Dean Oliver sent it with the carb. Deans number 870-830-5470 It is a #8 and he also has them for #6

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Thanks! I'll check in to that. A -6 ought to be enough for my stocker.

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My new piston to valve clearance checking tool

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Those neat AN fittings for a 4GC are Fragola part number 491967 for the -8AN and 491950 for the -6AN--those carbs used a 5/8-20 thread pitch on the fuel inlet --FED 387

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Both Deano and my ruler say it's 7/8-20, not 5/8. But I've got several PNs from different manufacturers now.

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True but some of the carbs do have a 5/8-20 most are 7/8-20----- fittings for both sizes(5/8 or 7/8) in AN configuration are readily available you just have to look not really that difficult to find either------FED 387

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5/8" is also Carter and Edelbrock AFB-AVS copies.

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This one is 7/8" thread

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I just received word that the cylinder heads will be back in house next week! YEA!

Stand by for new photos, new story line, and the 4CG experiment

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YEA! Out of the storage room and onto the assembly table :)

More soon!

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YEA! more parts out of the storage boxes and on the assembly table.