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W J 09-16-2009 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine (Post 140733)
Rich,
No on the "Yankee Peddler", that car is already accounted for. But yes,
Bill Flynn was out of New Haven. Ran the car only at NHRA events and
Match-races, as Bill was pretty popular, due to the 65' AWB car.
Northeast 68' Factory Hemi Super Stock cars.
Bill Flynn, "Yankee Peddler", New Haven, CT
Chuck McJury, "Playmate", Schenectady, NY
Charlie Lendrum, "Northern Skaker", Albany, NY
Chick Brignolo, "Play Thing", Norton, Mass.
Joe Pateli, "Deb's Automotive", Springfield, Mass.
Gene O'Neill, Worcester, Mass.
Joe Jill, "Speedwin Engineering Automitive", Mineola, L.I., New York
S & K Speed Shop, Long Island, New York, *( Sold to the Mutt Brothers
in Brooklyn, NY in late 68', who then raced it on the street)

Paul

New Jersey Hemi Darts next.
Also, Manhattan Speed Parts (Varick Street, NYC)
Pomona Speed Shop (Pomona, NY)
Jade Grenade (White Plains, NY)

Paul, Regarding the Gene O'Neill Dart: His nephew Steve located Gene's old '65 Hemi Coronet up in Quebec, not far from the Bombardier Plant, and completely restored it--called the "Flintstone Charger". Steve is now trying to locate Gene's old Hemi Dart.....Any ideas where that car could be? Much thanks. Warren Lederer. WJ:)

Bill Rolik 09-16-2009 07:48 AM

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Two Blasts From The Past:

I was about two years from racing personally yet in 1970 (or 71 when I took the photo), but here is a shot I took of Castaldo's car at Island. The gentleman in the photo steering is one of his crew guys, Rick Rickman, who I would later work with in the Parts Department at Spring Valley Dodge in Spring Valley, NY. Charlie Licata, and Frank Zangaro (name partialy blocked) were the balance of the crew.


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Bill Rolik 09-16-2009 07:59 AM

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I have not talked to Eddie in a while, since he moved to FL, but here is the Eddie Lukas "Over The Hill Gang" Dart at Bill Hayes' welding shop in Paterson, NJ. With Tim Richards power, this was a stout car. One day, he called me and said "I want to make the car lighter, and I don't care what it takes or what it costs". So he had me obtain a new, replacement complete FLOOR panel (remember, this is in 1976) and then got it dipped, as in chemically enhanced, and installed. He then wanted Hayes to install a roll bar (not a cage) made of exhaust tubing. There was a big battle over that one. I did not witness Hayes actually installing it, but it may have happened! Where this car is now, I have no clue.

Bill Rolik

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Bill Rolik 09-16-2009 08:09 AM

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OK, we will do one more!

Chuck McJury's Playmate II, sponsored by Cicero Dodge and Stevenson's Garage in Syracuse.

He is in line just behind Ken Montgomery's Triple Nickle 65.

At "The Patch", of course.

Bill Rolik

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Bill Rolik 09-16-2009 08:32 AM

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Chuck:

"Ken, hurry up and cool that thing! It's time to go!"

Ken:

"Dang, that Hemi gets HOT"!

Bill Rolik 09-16-2009 08:34 AM

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Can't leave the Cuda fans out.

Stiles at The Patch.

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Bob Pagano 09-16-2009 10:45 AM

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Bill thats a rare picture of Ken, SS/CA . Before he went to Stick.......thats is cool

Paul Ceasrine 09-17-2009 12:06 AM

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Mr. Rolik,
You are my hero! What great photo's from the past:)
Chuck McJury was based out of Schenectady, but was sponsored by
Stevensons Garage in Syracuse. Also, the home base for Ed Miller in his beautiful SS/B Cuda, who was also sponsored by Stevensons Garage.
Chuck ran at Dover a few times (68' thru 70'). A great race between him and Charlie Castasldo's SS/BA at Dover in 69'. Both running 10.70's or so.
That picture of Charlie's car (the second car) is right on for the 1970 or
1971 circa. The first car (SS/B) had DODGE lettered on the "B" pillar
behind the rear-side window.
Bill Stiles Cuda. Beautiful SS/BA car. Was at Dover, and later with his
Pro/Stock Duster in 70'/71'. The Cuda set the NHRA SS/AA record in
early 70' (I have to check, but it may have been at 10.25 or so). When he crushed the record, most of the guys running the SS/AA cars, that were running 10.60's or so, had to unload the Darts and Cuda's for S/S or convert to Pro/Stock to be competitive. A good time to be in the
market for a 68' Hemi. One could be had for about $5500.:eek:
Northeast-based Cuda's;
Ed Miller, Syracuse, NY
Bob Gaudreau, "Kandy Kuda", Bristol, Ct.
John Macey, "Heads Up", New Haven, Ct (My all-time favorite)
Phil Cerrone, "Harris Auto Sales", Providence, R.I.
Jack Werst, "Mr. 5 & 50", Willingboro, NJ
Ken Montgomery, "555", Rosyln, Pa.
* Ken Montgomery came to Dover in 1970, ran in Pro/Stock with SS/B
Cuda, for a circuit meet.
Don't forget Jack Arnew's Cuda, Baltimore, Maryland.

Paul.
OH, W J. The "Flintstone Charger" spent many of time following
"Doc" Burgess in the AWB-converted "Black Arrow" in 66' and 67'
hop-scotching all of the northeast AWB match-race events.

Bill Rolik 09-17-2009 07:09 AM

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Paul,

Don't forget the Carpinet Brothers Cuda from PA, which I believe came from Jack Arnew. Crew Chief was Bob and driver was Al, and subsequent co-driver was Bob Sodano, who did the paint on the Eddie Lukas Dart with my paint scheme.

I understand that the Carpinet car, a gorgeous piece at that time, is still well preserved.

Also, the Centolanza Brothers from NY had a 68 Cuda (4-speed), as well as "Hemi" John Pierson here in NJ with the "Instant Cuda", which he had bought from someone in the Chicago area.



Bill Rolik

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Bill Rolik 09-17-2009 07:35 AM

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I have been asked what car was just visible in front of Montgomery's in line.

It was the Ed Headrick Yenko SS/E Camaro.



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Bill Rolik 09-17-2009 07:40 AM

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OK.

You talked me into it.

I will throw the Bowtie guys another "bone".

Here is what was called "The Grump Group".

With myself at 20 years old, and seeing this act for the first time, that rig looked like it was 100 feet long.

SS/C and B/G for The Grump. SS/C for Dave Strickler.

Just to the right of the two gentlemen behind the B/G car, you can see Stein's original 63 black Max Wedge.



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Bill Rolik 09-17-2009 07:44 AM

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Here is one more shot of the McJury car.

Nice white wheels, which were more popular at the time than you might think. An extra pair of Keystones actually cost MONEY.



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Bill Rolik 09-17-2009 07:48 AM

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Finally, another photo of the Castaldo car about ready to make it happen. At The Patch, it is always better go now before the dew rolls in.

In front of the Dart is Lou Cuviello's Special Delivery 1 Sedan Delivery.

Enjoy!



Bill Rolik

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flintstonecharger 09-17-2009 09:30 PM

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Hello,was joe Pateli's car ever connected with Hamden Dodge Hemi Dart?? Bob Ramstrom, Worcester Mass. also had Hemi Dart he bought new from Mr. Norms once sponsored by Natick Dodge.Brignolo bought his car at same time when Ramstrom bought his,was told they went together to pick up both cars,what a shopping experience that must have been!I think Ed Miller may still have Ramstrom's car with 71 updated nose and tail end,,Brignolo still has his car! Pretty sure Gene O'Neill's car now owned by canadien collector Dave Mcdade,not 100% sure but very possible.I would side with the Vignogna crew on IDing Darryl's Dart regardless of the floor repair issue,there are lots of metal magicians out there that can stitch/hammerweld and finish of repairs undetectable,I am sure Tim Hennessy remembers what repairs were needed during restoration,check with him?

Paul Ceasrine 09-17-2009 10:56 PM

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Bill,
Good Hemi hunting!
The Centalanzo Brothers Cuda is still a mystery. I remember a SS/A car, that I think they had for a very short time. Can't close in on the year though. They had the 67' "RO" Hemi Belvedere SS/DA for 68' and 69',
and maybe early 70'. Then a brief interuption. Then into a 71' Cuda
Hemi convertible, with the added weight it fell into SS/E. Too much torque for the weight. "Parts Go Boom":eek: Spent more time on the
trailer or up on the jacks at Dover, than down the track.
Flashback; July 1968. My father and I drove up to Mountain Garage, Highland Falls, NY, to buy a set of 6" wide x 14" Goodyear slicks from
Lou and Tony Centalanzo, for our Cuda. Still mounted on 14" steel rims
(4" bolt pattern), from a 273 Valiant that they used to run. The 67' "RO"
was in the garage (back bay). My first experience actually touching a
Hemi car:) ...IT BIT ME;) (The racing bug!)

Paul (OH, 68 Cuda, "Updyke & Thomas". Tyronne, Pa.)

W J 09-18-2009 06:36 PM

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Don't let this thread fade into the sunset.......lots of priceless info here....WJ

Paul Ceasrine 09-19-2009 08:56 AM

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W J
Will try to kepp it flying.
(Part 1) Northeast 68' Factory Hemi Darts,

1) Bill Flynn, "Yankee Peddler", New Haven, CT. (SS/B) Sponsored by
The New York Dodge Dealers (Yes, New York) Got a sweetheart
sponsorship deal. Ran at sponsored NHRA-events and Match-race
events primarily. Not too much general local scene-stuff. Ran at
68' Super Stock Magazine Nationals (NY National). Ran 10.40 and
qualified #1 in SS/B class. (Eventual winner, Ed Miller, SS/B Cuda
from Syracuse). Ran at Super Stock Magazine Nationals at York, PA
in 69' and 70'. Car may have last run in S/S in 71', at York.

2) Joseph Pateli (Patelli/Patelle). Springfield, Mass. (SS/BA). Car was
black or dark-blue? "Deb's Automotive" was lettered on the front
fenders. Deb's Automotive Machine was owned by Carl Debien. The
machine shop was in Springfield, Mass. Also had speed shop stores
in Connecticut. (Hartford, Milford and Stafford/Rockville). Car ran
an 11.20 @ 125. Possibly at Orange Dragstrip, Fitchburg, Mass.
Which was open until 1970. Or ran it at Connecticut. The Deb's
group also ran at Les Cadres Drag Strip, Quebec, Canada. The Dart
may have been there, also at Lebanon Valley. Question in mind,
this car may have been the Hampden Dodge sponsored car.
Hampden is only 15 minutes outside of Springfield. Some of the
sales reps at Van Norman Tooling, Springfield, Mass. may have had
their hands on this car, back in 69' or 70'.

More to come,

W J 09-19-2009 10:54 AM

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Deb's also had a real hot C/MP blk/white '55 Chevy owned/driven by Raloh Ridgeway....a Nat. Record holding multi-Nat event winner......BTW Orange Dragstrip was located at the still-operating Orange Airport, where sport parachuting is still very big----just like it was when we were racing there back in the day....Good info Paul.....keep going!:D WJ

Paul Ceasrine 09-19-2009 03:21 PM

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[quote=Paul Ceasrine;141454]W J
Will try to kepp it flying.
(Part 1) Northeast 68' Factory Hemi Darts,

1) Bill Flynn, "Yankee Peddler", New Haven, CT. (SS/B) Sponsored by
The New York Dodge Dealers (Yes, New York) Got a sweetheart
sponsorship deal. Ran at sponsored NHRA-events and Match-race
events primarily. Not too much general local scene-stuff. Ran at
68' Super Stock Magazine Nationals (NY National). Ran 10.40 and
qualified #1 in SS/B class. (Eventual winner, Ed Miller, SS/B Cuda
from Syracuse). Ran at Super Stock Magazine Nationals at York, PA
in 69' and 70'. Car may have last run in S/S in 71', at York.

2) Joseph Pateli (Patelli/Patelle). Springfield, Mass. (SS/BA). Car was
black or dark-blue? "Deb's Automotive" was lettered on the front
fenders. Deb's Automotive Machine was owned by Carl Debien. The
machine shop was in Springfield, Mass. Also had speed shop stores
in Connecticut. (Hartford, Milford and Stafford/Rockville). Car ran
an 11.20 @ 125. Possibly at Orange Dragstrip, Fitchburg, Mass.
Which was open until 1970. Or ran it at Connecticut. The Deb's
group also ran at Les Cadres Drag Strip, Quebec, Canada. The Dart
may have been there, also at Lebanon Valley. Question in mind,
this car may have been the Hampden Dodge sponsored car.
Hampden Dodge was located on State Street. Some of the
sales reps at Van Norman Tooling, Springfield, Mass. may have had
their hands on this car, back in 69' or 70'.
An old Springfield-Union newspaper stated that Joe Pateli won a
Super Stock Eliminator event, running 11.20's. Sound correct for
late 68'.

More to come,

Paul

Paul Ceasrine 09-19-2009 03:36 PM

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OK, W J
Hope the parachute opens. Nose first is always the best way to go.

3) Gene O'Neill, Worcester, Mass. (SS/B)
The hardest one to find info on.
Maybe the Natick Dodge car. Natick Dodge, (Worcester Road),
(Route 9?), Natick. Whats that about 20-minutes west of Boston?
Possible Canadien-connection to car collector Dave McDade.
Don't think this car made it Dover or New York National.

4) Bob Ramstrom, Worcester, Mass. (SS/BA)
Another possible Natick Dodge Mystery.
Possible Mr. Norms' dealership-broker deal.
A little back history. Bob Ramstrom ran an original 65' Dodge S/SA
factory Hemi car (1 of the original 110). Name, "BloodHound"
Sponsored by; Yates Dodge, Park Avenue, Worcester, Mass.

5) Chick Brignolo, "PlayThing", Norton, Mass. (SS/B)
Possibly Connecticut-based at one time. Chassis/Frame specialist.
Possible Mr. Norm's dealership-broker deal.
Ran 11.00 @ 127.03 (1969), New England Dragway
Ran 10.61 @ 126.40 (1969), New England Dragway

Paul, The Hits Will Keep Coming:D

Bill Rolik 09-19-2009 07:05 PM

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OK, I have two more vintage 68 cars in the archives:

First up, look at the car on the ramp truck behind Don McElroy's 74 360 Cuda. It is called the Little Critter. The permanent number looks like 3395. I took this at Indy in 1976.

Bill Rolik

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Bill Rolik 09-19-2009 07:07 PM

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Last, but certainly not least:

Ron Mancini's SS/A car.

I took this at the Summernationals here in NJ in 1971.

Bill Rolik

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Ecurb 09-19-2009 07:25 PM

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Very cool pictures Bill...Hemi Darts are just too cool.:D

I like the shot of Grumps camp and the Hedrick Yenko!

W J 09-20-2009 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine (Post 141489)
OK, W J
Hope the parachute opens. Nose first is always the best way to go.

3) Gene O'Neill, Worcester, Mass. (SS/B)
The hardest one to find info on.
Maybe the Natick Dodge car. Natick Dodge, (Worcester Road),
(Route 9?), Natick. Whats that about 20-minutes west of Boston?
Possible Canadien-connection to car collector Dave McDade.
Don't think this car made it Dover or New York National.

4) Bob Ramstrom, Worcester, Mass. (SS/BA)
Another possible Natick Dodge Mystery.
Possible Mr. Norms' dealership-broker deal.
A little back history. Bob Ramstrom ran an original 65' Dodge S/SA
factory Hemi car (1 of the original 110). Name, "BloodHound"
Sponsored by; Yates Dodge, Park Avenue, Worcester, Mass.

5) Chick Brignolo, "PlayThing", Norton, Mass. (SS/B)
Possibly Connecticut-based at one time. Chassis/Frame specialist.
Possible Mr. Norm's dealership-broker deal.
Ran 11.00 @ 127.03 (1969), New England Dragway
Ran 10.61 @ 126.40 (1969), New England Dragway

Paul, The Hits Will Keep Coming:D

Paul, hopefully Steve O'Neill (flintstonecharger) will clear things up w/the Bob Ramstrom "Bloodhound" 65 Coronet and the Gene O'Neill "Flintstone Charger" Coronet. Let's await Steve's reply......and Paul, always pack your own chute! I can remember having them stop action at Orange, Ma. dragstrip for a stray jumper to land right on the track! Best wishes. WJ:D

Paul Ceasrine 09-20-2009 06:03 AM

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Bill,
For your postings, I owe you about a dozen Shrimp & Pasta dinners at the "Hilltop Inn", Nyack. The best eatery around (1977 thru 1985).
If you left Spring Valley Dodge, and headed east on Route 59 you would run into the place in West Nyack. I'm sure you remember that place.

I was working on the Northeast Darts first. Ron Mancini (Gratiot Auto
Supply) SS/AA NHRA champ (3 times). We ordered our first set of gears from Gratiot in July 68'. 4.56 gears, complete with a 42 case.
and assembled. $140 (Ouch, Boy have times changed).

More Northeast Darts (Originals)

6) S & K Speed Shop, West Babylon, L.I. New York (SS/B)
Dark Red w/black horizontal "V" shaped arrow on door w/ S & K
Speed Shop Lettering. Owners; Bryan Higgins and Ernie Krieg
A liitle history. S & K had several speed center shops around Long
Island. Good reputation. Jack Merkel was involved building some of
engines. They ran the car only a couple of months July 68' thru
maybe October 68'. Competed at 68' S/S Magazine Nats. Didn't
do to well. Struggled with the car. An article quoted Bryan Higgins
as saying, "The car couldn't get out of its own way". Friends saw it at
New York National Speedway a couple of times, running 11.20's.
They were looking to unload it, to get involved with the 69' AMX
Super Stock program. Car was sold to the famous Brooklyn street
racers "The Mutt Brothers". John and Ron Lyle. Car was re-painted
black, and raced primarily on the street (Conduit Blvd), near JFK
airport.
* There is a photo of this car ? at Englishtown in 69' or 70', with
Charlie Castaldo's Dart on the opposite side, on the starting line.
"Manhattan Speed Parts" is lettered on the front fender of the
black Dart. Manhattan Speed Parts was located on Varick Street,
NYC. On the other side of the Williamsburg Bridge, which connects
Brooklyn and lower NYC. Coincedence or ?

Paul, More hits to come this morning.

Paul Ceasrine 09-20-2009 07:43 AM

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W J,
Your telling us that when you went down the track at Orange, you had to dodge para-troopers landing near the traps:p.
Closed in 1970, at the pinnacle of drag racing. Shaky management:rolleyes:, or was there more money in Piper Cub and Cessna landings.

7) Joe Jill, "Speedwin Engineering", Happauge, L.I. New York
Off Jericho Turnpike.....(SS/BA)
Purchsed new from Ebbett's Field Dodge, Brooklyn, New York
Paid $5146 (MSRP) Manufacurers Suggested Retail Price
Ran primarily at New York National, and WestHampton (Suffolk), L.I. NY, Mostly local S/S stuff. Beautifully detailed car. White-base w/blue-green lacing down the sides. Ran a best of 10.66 in 69'.
Pictures in many S/S Magazines 68' thru 71'.
Joe Jill, also had another Speedwin location in Mineola, L.I., New York
Co-sponsored by Action Transmission
Joe Jill built, the Hemi engine for Charlie Castaldo (first SS/B car).
Also, was with Charlie Castaldo at the 1968 NHRA Springnationals
in Englishtown (6/14-6/16).
Was Charlie's engine tech. Photo's of the two of them at E-Town
in Nov. 68' Cars Magazine article.

PC

John Leichtamer Jr 09-20-2009 08:14 AM

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the late John Wetling owned an uncut dart and a clone cuda. both were sold, the dart said Humin Hemi on the doors John was from the Ft.Lauderdale area. Anybody know where these cars went??

Hammer

Bill Rolik 09-20-2009 09:31 AM

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Well, I told a white lie. One more photo!

I have a copy of a photo given to me by long-time NJ friend "Hemi" John Pierson, who purchased this Cuda from a Chicago area owner. The photo shows the original paint scheme, but when John acquired it, it was repainted, as I recall, orange and white. It was called the "Instant Cuda". John sold it years ago, and it is reported to be somewhere in western PA, existing as a Pro Street car.

Paul,

I was closer to West Nyack than you think: Before Spring Valley Dodge, I worked at Rockland CP on 304, which amazingly is still a Chrysler store. All of my "road tests" of performance cars in for service were "conducted" on the lower end of 304 by Lederle Labs. Also, my pasta choice for the meal will be farfalle (bowties).

Bill Rolik

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John Mason 09-20-2009 11:37 AM

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How about the 2 "Huckleberry Hound" Mopars out of Jersey, 63 aluminum nose max wedge and 65 race Hemi?
Frank Johansen (Huck) driver and Andy Zimmerman wrenching.They used to bring both cars to a race and try to pick the 1 that had a chance of winning to race in elims. Never did anything nationally but had some success locally. Real low buck racers, spent all their $ to buy the cars and nothing left for parts.
Both cars were sold in 1968 and Huck bought a 427 Camaro for SS.

Paul Ceasrine 09-20-2009 03:27 PM

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Bill,
Too many Cuda's too list just yet. My old girlfriend lived in Blauvelt.
I just headed south on Route 303. A couple of Canoli's will do just fine,
before a little test-n-tune down Route 303 (Orangeburg-strait):)
See you had/have a small block mopar. We ran a 68' 340 Cuda in SS/I, in 72' and 73'. Lettered "The Shadow". Won everything in our class at Dover. Just trophy hunting. Didn't run that much in S/S eliminator. Had to get home early Sunday for the pasta meal.

Upstate New York Darts,

8) Chuck McJury,"PLaymate II" Schenectady, NY. (SS/BA)
As you posted earlier Bill, dark-blue with black painted top.
Sponsored by Cicero Dodge (Cicero, NY) and Stevenson Garage
(Syracuse). Pretty much stayed in the NED-1 circuit. Did hit the S/S
Magazine Nationals at New York National 7/68, at York 8/69 and
York 5/70. Ran 10.70's at Dover. Was at big S/S meet their in late
September 69', Battling Charlie Castaldo (downstate-boy). Eventually
went Pro/Stock 71'. Heard he sold the car cheap in 73'?

9) Charlie Lendrum, Westerlo, NY (southwest of Albany), (SS/BA)
"Northern Shaker" May have been sponsored by Albany Dodge.
Ran at Lebanon Valley primarily. Did hit the western New York circuit.
Ran in S/S until 70'. In 71' Retro-fitted the grille to a 69', to classify for Pro/Stock (2-year NHRA-rule). Ran 10.80's in SS/AA in 1970.

(2) To Go. Please pass the anti-pasta' Bill

Jimmy R Parker 09-20-2009 03:56 PM

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I was in the teardown barn at the '78 Nationals watching a Dart go thru teardown and there was an issue with his wheelbase. He had adjusted his wheelbase to the Cuda demension and was expaining to the tech guys that he had permission from NHRA to do so. I don't remember if he got thru tech or not. I also can't remember the name of the driver but I believe he was from North Carolina and ran Division II. Was this modification ever legal and does anyone remember this incident?

Jimmy Parker

Paul Ceasrine 09-21-2009 05:25 AM

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Jimmy,
If you check the early ET and MPH times, you will see that the Cuda's had the lower ones. Whether it was aerodynamics (as some claim) or
slightly longer wheel-base, who knows? Those Darts got a little shaky going through the traps.

10) Gil Clark, Toronto-based, Ontario, Canada (SS/B & SS/BA)
AHRA-contracted racer. Ran primarily at Detroit Dragway (AHRA),
across the border. Also, St.Thomas Dragstrip, Sparta, Canada.
Also, AHRA national meets at New York National. Won a couple
of S/S Eliminator meets at Detroit. Ran 10.87 @ 127, 6/69.

PC

W J 09-21-2009 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine (Post 141533)
W J,
Your telling us that when you went down the track at Orange, you had to dodge para-troopers landing near the traps:p.
Closed in 1970, at the pinnacle of drag racing. Shaky management:rolleyes:, or was there more money in Piper Cub and Cessna landings.

7) Joe Jill, "Speedwin Engineering", Mineola, L.I. New York (SS/BA)
Purchsed new from Ebbett's Field Dodge, Brooklyn, New York
Ran primarily at New York National, and WestHampton (Suffolk), L.I. NY, Mostly local S/S stuff. Beautifully detailed car. White-base w/blue-green lacing down the sides. Ran a best of 10.66 in 69'.
Pictures in many S/S Magazines 68' thru 71'.
Recently located and re-stored.

PC

Yes Paul, believe-it-or-not, sometimes race action had to be stopped at the Orange, Ma. (NHRA cert.) track back in the late '60's to let a sport parachutist land who had blown off course when trying to hit his landing target at another area of the airport. I believe new housing being built in the area, and airport/dragstrip problems between the FAA and Orange strip promotors is what closed the track. Connecticut Dragway was also becoming very popular w/ New England area racers. Orange was 1 of 3 tracks run by the New England Timing Assoc., others being a track at Sanford, Me. and also a track at Charlestown, Rhode Island. A couple of NETA people ended up buying the property in Epping, NH and building New England Dragway, I believe. Regarding Bob Ramstrom's '65 Hemi Coronet SS/BA "Bloodhound": Car's name was changed to "Flintstone Charger", then sold to and campaigned by Gene O'Neill, owner of "Gene's Speed Equipment" of Worcester, Ma. Gene's '68 Hemi Dart came shortly thereafter. There's a great full color 4 page article on the "Flintstone Charger" Hemi Coronet in the July 2008 issue of "Musclecar Enthusiast". My good friend, Steve O'Neill, now owns this beautiful piece of early Hemi-history. Keep the hits coming, Paul......:cool: WJ

flintstonecharger 09-21-2009 06:44 AM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Hello Paul,Ramstrom's Dart definately tied to Natick Dodge when new,heard that sponsorship short lived,have pics. of car with Natick Dodge across the doors,car was red and white,later pics. show Natick Dodge covered with masking paper,later had Ramstrom & McCabe across doors.He may have ran car for 2 years?? His 65 A990 car was originally the Bloodhound in 65.In 66 repainted orange and white,renamed Flintstone Charger.Car went to Gene O'Neill and he ran the 65 car from 67-68.Gene bought his Dart late and had help from Bill Flynn to locate car.It it came from a southern Ct. dealer that had an elevator in garage and the Dart was in basement.Car was 4-speed car and broke lots of stuff.Gene told me he would simply floor the car when staged and sidestep the clutch to launch,and this broke parts?? Also launched car early on and car was in reverse,shot the driveshaft right out the back.I met Dave McDade @ Hemi reunion in 08 and between myself,Mark Janacky and Dave we think Gene's old Dart is now owned by McDade,not 100% sure but strong possibility it is the car.Not sure how far Gene travelled with Dart but vague memory of stories from Vermont,Canada,and of course N.E. dragway,Lebanon Valley and Conn. Dragway and of course Orange Ma.Brignolo and Gene O'neill still around but Bob Ramstrom passed about 3 years back.Chick Brignolo still has his Dart and a nice pile of paperwork on car and some vintage pics.Hope info helps,Later,SteveO'Neill
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine (Post 141489)
OK, W J
Hope the parachute opens. Nose first is always the best way to go.

3) Gene O'Neill, Worcester, Mass. (SS/B)
The hardest one to find info on.
Maybe the Natick Dodge car. Natick Dodge, (Worcester Road),
(Route 9?), Natick. Whats that about 20-minutes west of Boston?
Possible Canadien-connection to car collector Dave McDade.
Don't think this car made it Dover or New York National.

4) Bob Ramstrom, Worcester, Mass. (SS/BA)
Another possible Natick Dodge Mystery.
Possible Mr. Norms' dealership-broker deal.
A little back history. Bob Ramstrom ran an original 65' Dodge S/SA
factory Hemi car (1 of the original 110). Name, "BloodHound"
Sponsored by; Yates Dodge, Park Avenue, Worcester, Mass.

5) Chick Brignolo, "PlayThing", Norton, Mass. (SS/B)
Possibly Connecticut-based at one time. Chassis/Frame specialist.
Possible Mr. Norm's dealership-broker deal.
Ran 11.00 @ 127.03 (1969), New England Dragway
Ran 10.61 @ 126.40 (1969), New England Dragway

Paul, The Hits Will Keep Coming:D


68hemiss 09-21-2009 09:20 PM

Re: Dart wheelbase
 
[QUOTE=Jimmy R Parker;141572]I was in the teardown barn at the '78 Nationals watching a Dart go thru teardown and there was an issue with his wheelbase. He had adjusted his wheelbase to the Cuda demension and was expaining to the tech guys that he had permission from NHRA to do so. I don't remember if he got thru tech or not. I also can't remember the name of the driver but I believe he was from North Carolina and ran Division II. Was this modification ever legal and does anyone remember this incident?

Jimmy,
Any chance that this was Herb Sexton?
Mark J

68hemiss 09-21-2009 09:22 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Leichtamer Jr (Post 141537)
the late John Wetling owned an uncut dart and a clone cuda. both were sold, the dart said Humin Hemi on the doors John was from the Ft.Lauderdale area. Anybody know where these cars went??

Hammer

Yep!
The car spent a few years in Chicago and recently was for sale in MN.
Mark J

68hemiss 09-21-2009 09:25 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine (Post 141665)
Jimmy,
If you check the early ET and MPH times, you will see that the Cuda's had the lower ones. Whether it was aerodynamics (as some claim) or
slightly longer wheel-base, who knows? Those Darts got a little shaky going through the traps.

10) Gil Clark, Toronto-based, Ontario, Canada (SS/B & SS/BA)
AHRA-contracted racer. Ran primarily at Detroit Dragway (AHRA),
across the border. Also, St.Thomas Dragstrip, Sparta, Canada.
Also, AHRA national meets at New York National. Won a couple
of S/S Eliminator meets at Detroit. Ran 10.87 @ 127, 6/69.

PC

Paul,
This became Ron Mancinni's first (and only original) Hemi Dart. Gil and his wife came down to the Hemi Reunion last summer. The Mancini car was sold and last I heard it was being restored in his old paint.
Mark Janaky
1968 Hemi S/S Registry

68hemiss 09-21-2009 09:27 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
8) Chuck McJury,"PLaymate II" Schenectady, NY. (SS/BA)
As you posted earlier Bill, dark-blue with black painted top.
Sponsored by Cicero Dodge (Cicero, NY) and Stevenson Garage
(Syracuse). Pretty much stayed in the NED-1 circuit. Did hit the S/S
Magazine Nationals at New York National 7/68, at York 8/69 and
York 5/70. Ran 10.70's at Dover. Was at big S/S meet their in late
September 69', Battling Charlie Castaldo (downstate-boy). Eventually
went Pro/Stock 71'. Heard he sold the car cheap in 73'?

9) Charlie Lendrum, Westerlo, NY (southwest of Albany), (SS/BA)
"Northern Shaker" May have been sponsored by Albany Dodge.
Ran at Lebanon Valley primarily. Did hit the western New York circuit.
Ran in S/S until 70'. In 71' Retro-fitted the grille to a 69', to classify for Pro/Stock (2-year NHRA-rule). Ran 10.80's in SS/AA in 1970.

Paul,
Chuck's car is still missing but I have some leads on it. Chuck was also at the Hemi reunion. Charlie Lendrum's Dart is in FL. I am looking for some early photos of it.
Mark J

68hemiss 09-21-2009 09:37 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Rolik (Post 141543)
Well, I told a white lie. One more photo!

I have a copy of a photo given to me by long-time NJ friend "Hemi" John Pierson, who purchased this Cuda from a Chicago area owner. The photo shows the original paint scheme, but when John acquired it, it was repainted, as I recall, orange and white. It was called the "Instant Cuda". John sold it years ago, and it is reported to be somewhere in western PA, existing as a Pro Street car.

Paul,

I was closer to West Nyack than you think: Before Spring Valley Dodge, I worked at Rockland CP on 304, which amazingly is still a Chrysler store. All of my "road tests" of performance cars in for service were "conducted" on the lower end of 304 by Lederle Labs. Also, my pasta choice for the meal will be farfalle (bowties).

Bill Rolik



1514 SS

Bill,
I sent those pics to John! Any idea who owned the S/S 68' Hemi Barracuda from Idlewild Motors in Springfield Gardens, NY or the one from Brodlieb Motors in Woodmere, LI, NY? These wree bought new there.
Mark Janaky
Dart4261964@yahoo.com

Jimmy R Parker 09-22-2009 06:13 AM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
68hemiss,

I'm pretty sure it was Max Hurley that was having wheelbase issues in tech.

I apologize in advance to Mr. Hurley if I'm wrong. Max was one of the heavy hitters at the time and I'm sure he did not go to Indy unless he was convinced his car was legal.

I brought it up because I was curious if the wheelbase modification was performed on other Darts at the time.

Jimmy


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