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As far as .90 class indexes (indices?) I say leave them alone, for all of the reasons said so far. If you want to change .90 racing then do away with timer-based stops, but I suppose that won't have any benefit to the NHRA sponsors ;)
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Don't get too wound up on the index thing.....we just voted to put it up for a national Poll...I don't see it passing ( personally I don't care)....so you licensed racers make sure you vote when the time comes....SG and SC only SSt stays 10.90
How about the Scotty Rule.....you Super Street guys....sounds like most of you are against it.....I have only heard 1 that was for it.... Diapers are a good thing no matter what class....Its just a little difficult on some of the class cars to get one in there.....so they have to make sure it's doable.... How about some opinions on 1 double points meet per division....or a sportsnational coupled with a points meet..... |
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Diapers - If I can get one on my car there shouldn't be a problem for the several that complain!
Double points - If your chasing the points it would be to your advantage to run several out of Div races just for the points. Is that fair to the guys that race in their Div only ? Just an opinion......... Sport national and div in one weekend - Boy, that doesn't leave much time to party................. PS Was good to see you still in on Monday. |
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i say keep the index the same, kick out the scotty rule , run super street 1st rd saturday night and no double points
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"How about the Scotty Rule.....you Super Street guys....sounds like most of you are against it.....I have only heard 1 that was for it...."
I race Super Street and I'm against it simply for the fact the I don't want to race against multi-car race teams driven by one driver. I know it's supposed to be an entry level class, but has gone a long ways from that. Maybe they should make a rule that after you dominate a division in Super Street AND proven you can run in S/G then you should have to move up...Big Dog...that's directed at you. J/K. "Diapers are a good thing no matter what class....Its just a little difficult on some of the class cars to get one in there.....so they have to make sure it's doable...." All cars that run down the track should be required to have diapers installed. I, currently, don't have one. But, will put one on if the rules dictate it. It would be difficult to install, but I will never complain about making the cars safer. "How about some opinions on 1 double points meet per division....or a sportsnational coupled with a points meet..... " Yes. A double points meet would be great. We can only go to a maximum of 6 races and it would be nice to have a double points meet. Also, what's a Sportsnational? Just kidding. We don't have a Sportsnational in Division 5, but would love to have one! Thanks, Brad Rose Rose Racing |
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1) I like the two races idea
2) leave the indexes alone.. 3) Get the helmets back inside the cages!!!! That's my 3 cents! |
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How about some opinions on 1 double points meet per division....or a sportsnational coupled with a points meet.....
how about 1 time run and go, 1 race sat. 1race sun.?? |
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I didn't mean double points at one race.....I mean 2 races......
to save travel costs.....run 1 Thursday-Friday and 1 Saturday Sunday....maybe only 1 with alky cars....just a thought..... |
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oh and thanks Bob....
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I like the 2 races in 1 weekend idea too. It seems like it would be tough to get everything done if there was a large car count, but I could be wrong.
Having some kind of discount on entry fees if you enter both races would be nice at those events too :) Ok I just read Rock's last post, I think 2 races 2 days each sounds better |
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forgot about them damn alky cars aka( track oilers)
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- Diapers for everyone.
- Lower the indexes, 0.50 is a good start, I'd like 0.90. Take them to even numbers. - No double points races. If you can't make that one weekend for some reason (family obligation, illness, broken parts, whatever) you are completely out of the divisional points chase. That's my $0.02, and worth every cent. :) |
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At least in Division 1, Super Street is in no way an entry level class. You have to be on every round and I'm ok with that. Makes winning even better. So my opinion as a Super Street racer is to either keep it the same or re-vamp the class completely. I'm talking making us 100% equal to Super Gas and Super Comp---National Champion, run every national event, equal payout and contingencies (hey, we pay the same entrance), let us run multiple classes, etc. And if you don't want to do ALL of this....DON'T TOUCH IT!!!!!!! Don't pick and choose what you want to do, all or nothing!
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2 races one thursday & friday another saturday & sunday. That would make everyone take more days off from work. That would hurt alot of people. We spend more days at the track then the pros. We are sportsman racers, we need to work to support our racing. Everything is good with the indexes. Fast cars will still be fast. Diapers in all classes good idea. Scotty rule could be changed. Run more real racing on Sat. for we can get on the road home and be home at a good time. Work for some and school for the kids. Chuck Siegler 2007 s/g champ. div.3 div. 3 s/g & s/c |
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Its really the same amount of days off....just less fuel.....Jay sat in on the meeting...and he didn't think it would be doable....but would look into it....
Just like running more on Saturday....there are issues that you and I don't consider.....like the tech guys and track crew....working 14 hours 2 days in a row.....for what they get paid I'm not sure I would do it.... Rock |
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I was standing around in the teardown barn on Friday when the stockers were tearing down.....My partner had to take a piston and rod out of the Roush prepared PB Candies Drag Pak (on its first time out...) and he was the last one in there....and I asked Travis about such a long day he had to work......He said he would rather be doing this than anything else.......He is certainly one of the great guys on the NHRA staff that make this sport so awesome........
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Charlie,
Many of the "real" S/ST cars arent capable of running any other class. They would have to spend alot of money to update their cars to run a .370 tree. Even if they won a divisional championship, its still a lot of money out of their pockets to move up to S/G or S/C. again, I said "real" S/St cars. It is hard to police (no pun intended), I agree. |
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I'm sorry, but Super Street was deemed an entry level class.. but I'm not saying that it isn't a tough class to run, as Kelli has stated.. HOWEVER.. I think that NHRA has become laxed with the class by allowing "HITTERS" to remain in it.. NHRA and SRAC should be looking at keeping the entry level status, possibly by adding ways to move people up in levels and thereby allowing entry level racers to enjoy the class.. an example would be once you have won a Divisional Championship, you move out of the class.. or if you have a top ten Divisional season, you move out of the class..
I also agree that Super Street should be recognized on a National level.. included in all National Events.. and have a crowned National Champion.. it's only fair.. ALSO.. NHRA should not be cutting any classes from National Events.. why do they do it??.. I've been given many reasons by many people, the most popular being time and TV scheduling.. to run a round of Super Street takes what, 15 to 30 minutes tops??.. doesn't sound to hard to schedule to me.. |
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The two races in one weekend thing doesn't really strike me as economically sound.. right now, I go to a 3 day Division race on Thursday, which makes it a 4 day race, and go to a 4 day National event on Wednesday, which makes it a 5 day race.. are we suggesting that racers go on unemployment for the race season, cause employers certainly don't allow that much time off during the year.. or are most racers self employed??.. I don't know.. but in these times, a double could cause more headaches than the savings are worth.. just my opinion..
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Thanks Charlie.....
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My opinion (and I'll keep this short as possible):
1. Keep the Scotty rule. Is S/St an entry level class? Well, as far as racing in the .90 classes it is. Good luck being competitive in S/G with a back-halved car that only runs in the mid-9's. S/St already has limited national events, and I don't think it would be fair to take those particular entry spots away from somebody that only has 1 car so a touring pro sportsman could race S/St rather than the more difficult S/G. Plus, it evens the playing field more by not giving the advantage to the guy that can afford to race 2 cars. 2. Leave the indexes alone. Lowering the indexes 0.5 seconds in S/G and S/C is NOT going to fix the problem, it is just going to make it worse. People will simply make their cars faster and the chasm between S/St and S/G will grow even more than it is now. 3. Double races - If it can be scheduled such that you can fit two races into 1 weekend WITHOUT somebody having to take an extra day off of work, I'd be for it. Right now for a typical LODRS event that is Fri - Sun, a working man can leave Thursday night after work, race all weekend, and be back to work Monday morning. If adding a second race would require adding a day to the schedule (i.e. racing takes place from Thursday to Sunday), then leave the races as singles. Would it lower the cost to have two races in one weekend? Sure, but that doesn't mean that people could afford to take the extra day off (sarcastically, why not run the entire season over the course of one month at a single track, as that would certainly cut down on travel costs). I know this wasn't part of the initial conversation, but for God's sake add S/St to more national events, and have a national points system for it! If you want to keep the costs down, instead of claiming the best 3 of 5 nationals and 5 of 8 divisionals, make it 2 of 3 nationals and 3 of 5 divisionals. Almost EVERYBODY going to a national event is going to have grade point of at least 3. Add one more national event in each division, and if somebody wanted to chase the national S/St title, they can without ever having to leave their division and would most likely only be going to one additional race (an extra national event). S/St would then still only be contested at half of the national events. And anybody that doesn't agree with me is wrong (and stupid). |
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Now that's an opinion.......what a surprise...lol
2-0 for the Scotty rule in Div 1.... |
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Agree on keeping the Scotty rule...not everybody has a stacker and like me it's one or the other....
Don't agree on double races; as previously pointed out a prior and important obligation would kill your points chances. |
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That was rather short for you Oldfield! Now get outside and work on that garage queen , well maybe next year.
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In my opinion the double point races would work better at the sport nationals, if a sports national could be added to each division. No alky cars = LOTS more time. 2 TT/Qual Friday and race 2-3 rounds, Sat: finish 1st race then 1 TT/qual for 2nd race and possible 1st round. Race Sun and everyone is heading home early. Lots of cars already attend these races, so it's kinda a win/win for everyone.
Keep the Scotty rule...........Anybody who thinks SST is an entry level class has no idea what they're talking about. However, as someone else pointed out, letting the multi-car teams in SST would leave lots of us with only 1 car on the sidelines at national events and push more of us away from NHRA (unless that is their intention). Also, as others have said, 1 or 2 more national events per division would be great! Kinda sucks to pay the same entry, license, membership, cert and safety fees as everyone esle, and get treated like the toe headed, bow legged, butt tooth, basdard children of the sport. A national points system would be excellent, but now we're really dreaming. SST 1st round on Saturday at divisionals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Leave the indexs alone........I run 10.30 flat out, so if that happens......SEE YA LATER!!!!!!!!!!! |
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I say GET RID OF ALCOHOL (the class not the drinks), and have friday as time runs, and saturday have one time run and race eliminations until we cant anymore, then on sunday NO TIME RUNS, and race another race, and complete what was not completed on saturday. Obviously would have to give more time for those in late from the sat race and racing the sun race too (especially with double entries)
As far as alcohol, let them run at the national events and exibition events only. not for nothing they screw up the track and take WAY too much time more than the benefit of the additional spectators. Top Sportsman and Top Dragster will be bringing in the spectators, so we dont need ALCOHOL! |
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Jason...you don't even race... besides i thought your billys shadow. LOL
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as a s/st racer it amazes me when i hear that s/st is an ENTRY LEVEL$$$$. the only category that could be considered ENTRY would be Z stock (not for long) the issue of spectators will not change because they come for the PROS. lower the indexes will only keep new racers away , more $$$$ to compete. lets look at National points and Events for s/st
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Get rid of the .370 or .360 tree and few people that are missing might come back. They change from the .4 to .5 tree with a computer program change, why not adjust the computer program to put the S/C and S/G classes back the way they were. There is nothing more frustrating than having .035 in the box one week and have to "snoop her in" for a .025 the next. No one in their right mind would repeatedly bring a car to a Div or Nat race that can only manage a .040 light. The touring sportsmen with mega-dollar equipment will always be there, but if you want the larger fields again, you need to make it more competitive for less money.
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Oh yeah, and don't worry about not knowing. We were testing at Maple Grove a few weeks ago and my boyfriend told the staff to make sure it's a .370 tree for his car. Well they looked at him like he had three heads and then they said to him ".370?!?!?! that's news to me". Kelli 1236 S/ST |
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The only way to make S/St a gateway class is to only allow backhalf cars to run it. My tube car has already cost me a new convertor and tons of testing and I'm still trying to compete on a .370 tree, main reason that i can still run S/St while i keep trying to adjust the car to the.370 and add the delay. When I can be competetive at the tree I would run S/G all the time and rather stay on the stop for 2.5 sec instead of 4.5. Keep Scotty r |
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I was referring to adding the .030 back to the tree so that slower reacting cars can still compete with a good light. there were a lot of cars (especially S/G) that could barely catch a .400 tree, let alone be another .030 quicker to react to the .370 tree. As Gary stated he changed parts and tested and still is not competitive yet, and I believe he has 8 second power in light, full tube chassis car. I was also referring to the inconsistent starting line set-ups. At one track I carry .030 or so, at the next place I have to "0" the box and snoop it in to get a light. Bill |
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I like the idea of SST racers being able to run multiple classes. Lower payouts and lack of a national championship will keep it somewhat "entry level". Besides, I don't care if multi-car teams want to run SST as well.
I'd run S/G more if the tree wasn't .370. This should really be changed. If people want to see the "hitters" in SST move up then this is crucial. Just because a SST car can run 8's and go 150+ doesn't mean that they can cut a light on the current S/G tree. I am sort of indifferent on changing the indexes. But if they change them it should apply to all three super classes. If they only change the indexes for S/G and S/C, then it would make it even harder and more expensive for a SST racer to move up. |
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