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Since you seem to know the history of this '65 Coronet A990, if you have anymore pics of the car can you please post some on here, thanks.

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Charley A,,,,,,,,

Yes, I see what you mean,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

The track-width does look narrower than normal,,,,,,,,,

Also, some of those Mopar guys toyed with staggered front-ends too,
to gain an inch or two.

Or possibly, Butch is using the 'zero off-set' Torq-Thrust wheels from the AWB car on his Super/Stocker,
which make it appear to be narrow.

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Maybe Jimi on here can tell us some of the history on this '65 Belvedere A990 Super Stocker...

http://www.cars-on-line.com/46600/65ply46674-1.jpg

http://www.cars-on-line.com/46600/65ply46674-3.jpg

http://www.cars-on-line.com/46600/65ply46674-7.jpg

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A couple more shots of Lou Vignogna's '65 A990 Plymouth Belvedere super-stocker...

http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparf...1&d=1243099552

http://graphic-server.com/cgi-bin/ol...ND19920717.JPG

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Anyone here have any history on this A990 '65 Plymouth Belvedere or which track...

http://classracer.com/classforum/pic...pictureid=3216

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...johnwilson.JPG

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...427-wilson.JPG

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I remember it had a front license plate that said " Greg Who?" I think it was after he won Indy.

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Dave Strickler's A990 '65 Coronet...'Strick' on the door...is this one accounted for.
http://www.redlinedodge.com/wp-conte...965-1-mann.jpg

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Moose : The brown 65 Ply belong to Glenn Gruber and Jim Kasse out of St. Paul, Mn. about 100 mi. North of me. They had an alum. 63 Ply 425 H. P. in the late 60's - early 70's. I think the heald a couple of records with it. When they had this car, which was very nice they had a Mancini eng. built and something was wrong. It just didn't run. They hauled it down to the Chrysler Racing Seminar at the Thunder Bird Motel and I saw them sell it to John Wilson, he was from Anthon, Iowa. Alex P. speeks of John. This is the second 65 Ply John owned. It is the same car in the picture between Judy Lilliy and Bob Marshell. I don't have any pictures on Charnies Dodge, I am not much of a picture guy, I don't have too many pics of my own car, but I am still running it.

Hope this Helps
Ray Remington
Slack Time Racing

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I was at that seminar too and distinctly remember that car on the trailer in the parking lot. Can't remember what year that was but I had to be only 10 or 11 at the time. I still have cassette tapes from that seminar(I guess that was my job at the seminar so my dad would let me go). The brown car is still around and has been for sale in Hemmings a few times the last few years. Painted Blue now. Originally out of Colorado.

Thanks for the memory Ray.

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Some suspension tricks performed on the 'Black Arrow' by
Bill Jenkins and Mechanics; Tony Pizzi, Joe Tryson and Al Joniec.

Reversing the front hanger supports, and hardened shims.

http://www.doverdragstrip.com/phpBB3...le.php?id=2513

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Alex: I have no idea where they got the brown car, but you say the car came from Co. Could it be the blue car that Judy Lilly had in the above photos. I have been racing since 1970, and I never knew Judy had that 65 car,but then again there are a lot of things I don't know. Do you know where Judy's blue car came from? I paid a lot attention to these cars because a good friend of mine, Lynn Balek, from Mason City, Iowa bought his 65 Dodge new from Grand Spalding Dodge. Lynn introduced me to Gary O. from Nevada, Iowa and John H. from the Twin Cities.

Keep this Going
Ray Remington
Slack Time Racing

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Ray, in regards to this photo that was posted earlier...I heard a rumor lately about Judy Lilly's blue & white '65 Belvedere A990, but damned if I can remember it...okay I remember now, heard it might be the old 'Go Hummer' A990 car.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/g...g450_2copy.jpg

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While those may have been reversed there was a "police" hanger that came that way and just bolted on. I had a friend that had a 63 aluminum max wedge in 66 that someone put them on.

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A little of topic but what color was the Gruber and Kasse 63 Plymouth?
Thanks!

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Charlie, I see your point and it does seem that the front 'track' does look a little narrower on the '65 California Flash A990 car from looking at another angle, maybe the narrow tires had something to do with it.

http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparf...1&d=1328066819

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Here's a few more old shots of the 'Black Arrow' '65 A990 Plymouth...

http://www.doverdragstrip.com/phpBB3...le.php?id=9965

http://www.doverdragstrip.com/phpBB3...le.php?id=2779

http://image.moparmusclemagazine.com...ls-Special.jpg

http://www.doverdragstrip.com/phpBB3...le.php?id=1418

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340 Cuda. The Gruber and Kassie 63 Ply was an alum. sedan that was all white with red stripes on the hood and roof. It also had Keystone wheels all around. I can not remember for sure but I think it said The All American down the side. It has been the late 60's and I can not remember for sure on the name.

Hope this Helps
Ray Remington
Slack Time Racing

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The 'Black Arrow'

Bill 'Grumpy' Jenkins and Doc Bugess..

1965;
Ran S/SA and Super/Stock Match-Bash
Also, A/MP in mid-year 65'

1966;
Popped on the Hilborn-injectors and ran #3000 lb. class
Northeast Match-Bash

Modified the rear-axle (shortened wheel-base) and ran #2800 lb. class.

1967;
The car was hacked up some more.
Ran #2700 lb. class. (Primarily Match-race Events in 'S/US' Class (Super/Ultra Stock)

1967;
End of year, Sold for $3000

1968;
Car was redone, and ran in C/A by 'Storm King'

1968;
End of year; car was gutted and scrapped.

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Sadder words were never written.

I remember Dick Landy stating that one of the reasons his Coronet survived was because he was one of the few (only one?) to neutralize the body after the acid dip. According to him, the corrosion would very slowly continue unless it was neutralized.

By now we realize that a LOT of class cars got the acid treatment whether they were factory built or not. I wonder how many we lost because they simply lost enough strength to be unusable?

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1965,

Plenty of options for the 65' A-990 cars to run in,,,

#3408 lbs. = S/S or S/SA (Factory Super/Stock)

#3408 lbs. = A/MP

#3200 lbs. = A/FX,,,,Maximum cubic inch 427 (w/Carburetors)

#3000 lbs. = Maximum cubic inch 427 (w/Carburetors or Injectors)

#2700 lbs. = S/US, (Super/Ultra Stock) ...Factory AWB (w/Injectors)

Unlimited = Any weight and wheelbase, (Blown, Fuel or Injectors)

With the demands from the drag strips for fast cars that could lift the
wheels off the ground, Match-Bash racing was the way to go.

Many of the A-990's were lost to AWB modifications.

1965 Super Stock Eliminator Pay-outs, at local drag strips back then, maybe $150 for a S/S Eliminator win. No money....

But A/FX or AWB Match Racing, you were pretty much guaranteed $300 for a Best 2 out of 3, plus travel expense money.
A 3 out 5 Match-Race, and $400 was the going number.

And if you were hooked up with the Gold Agency (booking agents), they could get you 2 or 3 Match-Races per week, and
at more money.

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i would like to thank moose for telling me about this thread,

this car is # 22 originally purchased by smokey cerrone, it was sold to steve lapointe , and then my father bought it in 1979. i still have the car, i have changed my mind on selling it, i am presently putting the stock frame rails back in the car to run it in the newly created stock classes .

i spoke with smokey about a year ago, he is in his eighties and as sharp as can be , we spoke about this car and his 64 hemi race car for about a half hour, he was amazed that this car is still around.

the story he told me was his 64 car was a sedan "fury" alumimun hemi car i went to correct him and said savoy which he abruptly corrected me and said "no they gave me a fury!" he told me that the fury was an awesome race car it set records won races and a championship. he was very excited to get the 65 a990 , the car came in just weeks before the winternationals, they worked day and night on it to get it ready drove straight to the winters and as smokey put it were very dissapointed, it was a much slower car that the 64 and it never performed up to the standard of the 64. be fore the end of the season the car was parked and saw very little use untill steve lapoint bought it.

i also asked smokey if they had any pictures or documentation from when he had the car and they have none. i do have two polaroids from when steve lapoint had the car. they are not very good pictures.

so i have been looking for pictures or documentation on my a 990 and smokeys 64 "fury" just to know what it was they had , i would also like to have pictures of my car in stock form dressed in all white paint.

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http://bearsdragraceingpage.4t.com/i...rt_500x233.jpg
http://bearsdragraceingpage.4t.com/i...ol_250x108.jpg

OK. If you click the box it will take you to the picture. If anyone can repost these...please do.

One of Joe Ralph Thompson's cars and an unknown AWB (Sanford Bolin?). JRT car may have been an original aluminum front. He had several cars during this time period.
(Found these pics on an old website of Ron Brantley about Carlisle Dragway)

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Joe Ralph Thompson's car was an aluminum front end car as was Sanford Bolin's. Both started as max wedge cars. Sanford's car was white and a four speed, Joe Ralph's was red and an automatic. I saw Sanford's car run on the first day he had it out at Little Rock Dragstrip. It still had the cast iron exhaust manifolds and he ran it with the factory dumps open.
Somewhere I have pictures of Joe Ralph's car from 1964 or 5. I will try to find/post them.

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Here's the original "Dodge Material" '65 A990 Coronet that was painted in white before it's later blue paint scheme....

http://www.classracer.com/classforum...3&d=1275694178

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-R...2520winter.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F...252520copy.jpg

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I last saw this car in Gail Parson's garage in Newark, Ohio.....Gail bought it, and he, and Ron Garey were going to race it, but it didn't happen, and Gail sold it to someone... That was in the early 70's

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Thanks Ray, the car I am looking for was white with light blue stripes. I saw it at Indy after it left Oklahoma for Minnesota. I think it went North in 66 and I saw it in Indy in 69, lost track of it after that.
Bill

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Another '65 A990 Coronet super stocker...

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...953-wilson.jpg

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Joe had two red Plymouths. The one I own was a 1964 MW lightweight that was converted to AWB in 1966. That car was driven by Derwood Reep as a B/A. The other red Plymouth was driven by Ron Cheshier and won B/G at the 1968 US Nationals. I was told it wasn't an AWB car. Joe drove a white Dodge at that time. I think the second photo may have been the other red Plymouth. I'm not sure if it was an A-990 car or not? The guy I bought this car from also owned one of Sanford's AWB Plymouths. He had the MSO on the body, but it was in really bad shape as far as I know. He sold that body. If anyone owns that MSO, I would question the originality of the body as there wasn't much left from acid dipping/lightening/rust from what I was told. I think the body was blue. I bought one of Sanford's old Barnett Hemi's about ten years ago.

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More on the JRT Plymouth. Here is a picture of it as a bracket car in the 1980s. Pretty ugly hack job on the rear quarters. The last photo is when it was in Don Garlit's museum in Ocala. It now resides in the Bushmaster's museum in MO.

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Sanford converted his first car to an AWB car. The second car he bought from sombody. Joe Ralph also owned a 68 SS Dart that he played in Pro Stock with.

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Here's another '65 A990 Dodge Coronet...does anyone have any info on this one...it has a weird looking scoop on it.
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/w...498547_794.jpg

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1965 Photo (September/October) @ Cecil County Dragway, Maryland

Take a look at this,,,,,,,,, Doc Burgess 'Black Arrow'

The car is wearing Jack Werst's 'Mr. 5 & 50' front thin-steel fenders.
The color photo (if I can find it) proves it.

http://www.doverdragstrip.com/phpBB3...ile.php?id=625

http://classracer.com/classforum/pic...pictureid=5108

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It looks like a Thunderbolt hood bubble.

JimR

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PC, that's interesting, good detective work there...and it's a shame what happened to the original 'Black Arrow' A990 Plymouth Belvedere though.

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That's not an A990. That is a Coronet Deluxe. The A990 cars did not have the trim down the side of the body.

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Steve, glad you cleared that up...do you have any A990 photos that you could contribute to the thread...anyway here's another shot of the Black Arrow vs Sox & Martin.
http://images22.fotki.com/v838/photo...JENKINS-vi.jpg

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In the meantime here's a couple of old shots of another '65 A990 Coronet...

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...-wagons033.jpg

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...-wagons028.jpg

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Here's a couple of racers tuning a '65 A990 Cross-Ram Hemi in this '65 Chrysler ad...

http://c564296.r96.cf2.rackcdn.com/A...b12-0112ae.jpg

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Here's a few more of Bob Marshall's cars. In one of the photos you can see 2 cars with the same paint scheme. At one time I thought he had 3 of them painted the same. I don't know if they are all A990 cars.

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A couple from WV.