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I know my 1995 Mustang 302 is NHRA rated @ 213 hp.

The IHRA rating for PS is 220.

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We can only hope so Dan, and beyond the lower cost fuel, it would allow the engines to run cleaner, so we could help keep our clean air clean...especially in the northwest with all of your trees! My car has a low compression engine, so It would probably like the 94 Octane Sunoco, over the 110 stock legal fuel. Good luck with your racing this year! :)

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Hey NHRA! you're missing the boat, wouldn't hurt to run this class at the Divisional level. Pure stock with only dot soft tires. I would buy a new Challenger or Mustang in a second.CR

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If you think I am anti IHRA you don't know me very well,lol. I wish every track around here was IHRA. Although I may give NHRA another try now that Div6 has a director that seems to give a damn about the racers, Frank Nelson is trying to save the sinking ship that Jonathon abandoned and I think he has the fortitude to do it.
Now what class would my 65 Hemi Coronet run in pure stock?.......

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Thanks...does 110 racing gas make Stocker and Super Stockers run quicker?

Just ran at the 1st Annual Northern Super Heavy Shoot-out at Cecil County Dragway
It was a lot of fun..my car weighed 4390# to 4325# and made 9 runs.
There was enough time to make 15 T&T runs before running the competitions.
On racer made 22 runs.

Love the idea being able to keep costs low and put them into the car.
I filled up with Sunoco 93 Octane near the track.

Just think it is not good judgement by IHRA and NHRA forcing racers to use race gas.
When Pump Gas is useable for Stock Cars.

I can see for high compression but most of our cars are not.

Dan

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I don't think 110 fuel is an improvement for low compression engines (especially mine)... many of todays regular autos, don't need to use Premium Unleaded like the Challengers, Mustangs, and Camaro's do. I can check my old log books, but I'm certain that when I had to stop using aviation fuel, and start using VP/Sunoco instead, I'm certain that it didn't help my car run any quicker, and actually may have slowed it down a little?

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I'm with you on this, as I've had my eyes on the Challengers since they came out, and have entertained thoughts of doing the same thing. It would be nice to be able to race in Stock Eliminator with a car I can drive to/from the track, thus eliminating the need for a truck/trailer combo, and a house with an RV lot on the side of it. Plus I believe those V6 Challengers are nearly 300hp 13-14sec. monsters, as are the Camaros and Mustangs!!!

I no longer feel bad for not being 10-20yrs older so I could've bought a near new or brand new muscle car from the dealer.... :)

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The v6 mustangs will run high 13's bone stock. Not sure about the Challengers and Camaros.

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Phillip i did'nt say you were anti IHRA the wording in your post seemed to say that or maybe i just read it wrong. i agree with you about Frank i hope he can save it, only time will tell. right now all i'm hoping for is no rain at Mission this weekend.And yes we do need more IHRA tracks on the west coast.

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Most stocker engines built to the blueprint minimums have a much higher compression ratio then stock. The race gas helps.

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Yeah some higher compression is realized when Blueprinted.
But closer to the advertised Compression Ratio.

Deck Block to Minimum Rating, .030/.070 Overbore, .015 over Crank.
The Overbore helps unshroud the Valves and breaths little better.
But cannot see more than a 1/2 point increase in Compression.

Maybe wrong ..my 2 Cents !!

Still 93 Octane runs well in my LT1.
Which has 10.5 to 1 Compression and running 36 degrees Timing.

Figure that 100% gasoline would run a better ET than 10% Methanol Blend.
Because the Methanol reduces the BTU produced...

My 94 Caprice LT1 Wagon seems to have lost 1 mpg in cruising.
Tougher to get 24 mpg, getting more like 22 and 23 mpg fill ups.

Dan

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My guess would be the fastest, or second fastest one, because I bet that cars a hauler! :)
That car is one of the top three on my if-money-were-no-object-what-car-would-I-race, list...the '68 Dodge Dart Hemi, and the '64 Plymouth Savoy, being the other two!

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Be interesting if IHRA and independent SS/S series invited the Pure Stockers from http://www.purestockdrags.com organization to come to IHRA events.

Some of those cars could be ready to buy and race and in showcar form.
All would fit right in and many are full up restorations.

PureStockDrag rules are almost identical to IHRA Pure Stock.
Only minor changes are needed if at all.
Many already have gone through tear down to validate their records.
These guys are tough, here are the rules.
http://www.purestockdrags.com/index....d=48&Itemid=53

Many of these cars would own IHRA Pure Stock Records.
Plus they would add a huge mystique what the originals actually ran.

IHRA (hint--hint) there is a whole Pure Stock market ready for you to invite...

Dan

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Dan, unfortunately most of the car that run crazy times at Pure Stock on the independent circuit are just bogus car with over cubic limits with everything to make i make it go fast, such as lighten seats, removal of radio(cutting the front part only, removing everything of metal and replacing it with clone pieces of plastic to make it look like the original, a couple of them have crafted a 906 into a 727 just for the weight. No we need some way to limit the creativity of some.lol CR

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^^ That sounds more like F.A.S.T. racing:

http://fastraces.org/


The " pure stock drags " races I have read about are the most legit pure stock class I have ever seen:

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yeah, 2 different classes. Cheaters areeverywhere, can't help that tho, to a point.

Should get my Buick done for pure stock. what would a 1970 Buick GS w a 455, small valve motor be classified in, and at what weight.It is a tank.

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Chris, they're not cheaters just people taking it to the limit. It does not say that the radio has to be.working. Like Smokey Yunick said many times, if you're not pushing the enveloppe, you will never move forward. This is the reason for having strict rules.CR

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Smokey also said: IF it is Not in the RULE BOOK it is LEGAL !

Those Pure Stockers have really strict rules and go through an full NHRA like Teardown to claim their ET records.

AND not for Money ....they do it for Bragging Rights !!

As for the 1970 Buick...should fall in B or C Pure Stock.

Contact Mike Baker for you combination.
AND
Check with Dick Miller on suspension upgrades to make it hook.

D

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BTW..who is running the Pure Stock Web Page now??

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If I remember right, NHRA started requiring race gas because pump gas wouldn't check.

Pure Stock would only happen at NHRA events if there was something in it for NHRA.

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Well guess so... Pump Gas having 10% Methanol !

Interesting that it helps improve performance in some cars.
Despite having a bit less BTU content !
My vehicles lost 1 a solid mpg.

FWIW:
During WW2 the Germans made synthetic fules to power their Aircraft.
When the US and Allies took them back to the SW USA to test.(1946)
Running US based high octane made them under-perform.
Using the German Fuels in German planes performance returned.
When US aircraft used the German Fuel the US aircraft underperformed.

d

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You mean ethanol? Same thing, I guess? When NHRA started requiring race gas, I don't think pump gas had ethanol in it yet.

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New Pure Stocker Web Site.

I am thinking of starting one and asking for pictures of Pure Stockers to collect.

May want to get all the Junior Stockers added to.

Who was the person who owned the Malibu that passed away and maintained the PS site?


Dan

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Good idea Dan.
I think it would be cool to have an event and invite all levels of "Stock" or stock appearing vehicles to the event.

i.e. : The F.A.S.T. guys could run in one class
The IHRA Pure Stockers in their group
The purestockdrags.com guys in their class
...and also the IHRA/NHRA Stock Eliminator racers.

That would be cool to see a bunch of race cars that closely resemble their factory built appearance. ( instead of a bunch of giant, goofy, aftermarket hoodscoop racecars)


I myself have thought about starting a stock appearance race for 1982 and newer domestic brand factory performance machines.
Loosely based on the F.A.S.T. series but only open to 1982 and newer.

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Bud Lefevre was his name. Claude

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Here's a link to Bud's Pure Stock site:

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group...guid=150092733

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Thanks Terry !!

Thought there was more..

Got to start planning !!

D

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Actually with a little planning.. the purestockdrags racers can put on DOT's instead of street identical Coker Tires..
IHRA can provide HP and Weights .

Would be simple, they should have most of them.

It would be cool to see a Supercharged Studebaker running down a new Camaro.

Or a classic race between a 1967 Bonne 428/376 3-Duce against a 67 GTO.

It could spur the restoration industry to make a few changes to their Rest'o's.
Get a few of their Garage Queens exercised..

Dan










The F.A.S.T. guys.. well they are so far out of Pure Stock...

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Very Cool

http://www.youtube.com/user/PureStockDrags

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x 2 for me....

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I'm not sure either, about the other two? However, given that the 2010 Challenger had a 250hp V6 engine, and the car I believe weighs about 3600 lbs, I'm not feeling good about it being even a mid-14sec. car? I believe the Camaro is a couple of hundred pounds lighter, and has a stronger V6, so it should be closer to the Mustang?

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I'm interested....

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Thanks for the really great Reponse..

Sure would llike to see IHRA push Pure Stock a lot more, especially the PureStockDrag racing program.
It would definitely add to the ranks to bring more rides to race in our series.
A facinating opportunity to compete in a competitve program that keeps these rare cars engaged in racing history.

IHRA would be wise to reach out to PureStockDrags and invite them.
Plus PureStockDrag officials are also experienced Class Racers with an experiences Tech Department.

Just think of the incredible car show it would bring seeing rare restored rides being exercised.
Some cars we have not seen since the 60's and 70's..and teaming with personality.

In fact Nostalgic Stock would be another excellent and natural consideration helping to revive Junior Stock/Pure Stock racing.
This would be really cool because the changes to meet Pure Stock rules would be fairly inexpensive.
There already has been calls to invite Nostalgic Stock to race in IHRA.

Reposting this youtube link posted by another racer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9CfASbKI2I

BTW
I am looking at planning a new Pure Stock Web Site.
Want to collect Pictures and Comments about your rides.
Going to take a lot of work and time.

Send me your history of how you got into Stock Drag Racing.
Include all your rides, pictures, brief description, especially detail the Pure Stock Rides.
danfahey@dansources.com
In Subject Line write PureStockDragRacing: Car and Class

May need help Writing, Editing and putting this together.
Volunteers appreciated

Lets ROCK the GOALS

Dan Fahey (SuperRef)

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http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/a...n/DSC03870.jpg

saw this car run 11.26

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/a...n/DSC03818.jpg

blue one ran 11.36, not sure about the black one but it was in the 11's

these car ran in Factory Stock, not FAST

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Your mistaken about the car weights. Both are close to 4000 lbs.

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I've seen the V6 Challengers were supposed to be 3900 pounds and some change. I've seen the V6 Chargers run 15s, so I'd say the early V6 Challengers would be low 15s stock. The newer one has more power, so they would get into the 14s I would think. I have a 2009 SE, but never ran it at the track. I looked at what sort of tires would fit the rear disc brakes. It looked like I'd have to use some DOT type sticky 17s or 18s. I don't think a 16" wheel would clear the caliper, or it would be real close.

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Wonder if IHRA would consider calling Pure Stock - Junior Stock ?

The rules are near identical.
So were the cams.

D

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Malta, MT has an 1/8 mile, and Yellowstone Dragstrip in Acton (near Billings) that was an NHRA strip has new ownership and is now IHRA.

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I got that info from the brochures about production models, that I happen to still have at home (I'll go double check what I saw and from what model years I saw it). I wish I would've seen this thread sooner so I could've replied sooner. The only other source of a comparo I'm familiar with is Car and Driver, and since they only test the top of the line in performance vehicles, they certainly didn't mess around with V6's (at least not in a comparo that I'm aware of). I will say this though, I wouldn't be surprised in the least that the Mustangs are the quickest, since I recall them being the lightest of the three....NOTE: I just went online to check out the most basic versions of the Camaro, the Challenger,and the Mustang, and here's what I found: 2012 Challenger SXT 2dr coupe...3.6L V6...5spd Auto...305hp..curb weight 3834.

2012 Camaro LS 2dr coupe...3.6L V6...6spd Auto...323hp...curb weight 3769 lbs

2012 Mustang V6 2dr coupe...3.7L V6...6spd Man...305hp...curb weight 3453 lbs

Based on this info (which the older ones I referred to show for power to weight ratio, to borrow from I believe "Alan Reinhart" (I may have mis-spelled his last name, but he's the sportsman announcer guy) who called a sportsman drag race between a Ford and a Chevy (at the '96 Fram/Autolite Nationals in Atlanta, Ga), by saying "GIVE IT TO THE FORD"!!!

Not far from 4000lbs, but not that close either....

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It pains me to say it, but I put my 2010 V-6 Camaro stick car on the scales last summer and with me, a full tank of gas, and an overnight bag on board it weighed 4025#. That puts it at about 3750 without the ballast, which agrees with what I just found online. The SS model is about 150 lbs. more with their bigger brakes, wheels, and added engine weight. And, I've been told that the Challenger is even heavier.

They're fun new cars but they sure aren't lightweights.