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Nah...your engine pic's are right on track. ;)

Partner went to KY yesterday to pick up the transmission/convertor...likely to put it in the car this Saturday. Been having doubts about my choice in front brakes...not in the ability to stop the car, rather being able to hold the car in place for burnouts. It just didnt feel right testing outside with the original set-up...even without the system being bedded I had the nagging feeling it just wasnt going to perform up to snuff. I'm going to go ahead and swap calipers and be done with it.

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Got a new hand held weather station...

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Plans are to dedicate a laptop and interface the weather station with it. I'll use the laptop as a log book and load some type of software (yet to be determined).

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Rich, you'll be a lot happier with those calipers. -Al

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Agreed Al...I know from first hand experience with this car that without a proper burnout I may as well just idle down the track. :p

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Calipers swapped/bled...line lock works great now and all of the brakes can hold the car in place while on the two-step (3000rpm) even on the slippery concrete apron out front.

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Did not tackle the transmission today, but the swap is coming soon.

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Transmission went in the car today. Did a four wheel scale before we quit for the day and it ended up being just about legal minimum @ 2848 pounds. No fuel in the cell and no preload on the Caltracs.

LF - 778#
RF - 830#
LR - 627#
RR - 613#

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Rich car looks great,that is a autometer shift lite,2 stage or 3 ?

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Rich , what oil pan do you have on the car?

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Ed - It's a stage 3 shift light. The oil pan appears to be stock...we have yet to open the motor.

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2800 pounds? My drivetrain weighs that much! hehe... Curious to what mods , if any, you had to do to put trans in? Looking forward to hearing how it runs!

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No mods at all Brent...slipped right in, even with the braces. Only thing we had to change was to exchange the two bolts that hold the trans rubber mount to the tailshaft...metric variety.

TNT this Saturday at Bowling Green noon to five pm. With a projected high of only 47 degrees it will be less than ideal, but I have to get this car down the track to check everything out. I figure with me in the car along with a full load of fuel on board it should scale around 3050 pounds.

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what stall did you go with on the converter

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Thomas Arnett sent the convertor in to be re-worked...I assume he provided the spec's for our car. I know his family run several similar cars.

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Finally broke down and bought a quality generator after all these years. All I can say is wow...only 44 pounds and whisper quiet. :)

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Blasted my old t(rusty) trailer Sunday afternoon and sprayed it completely with bedliner coating...no more rusting and painting for me. I should have done this years ago. All new bearings/races/seals installed along with new led lights. :D

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Looks good! Good luck at test and tune... So were you able to use the powerglide/4spd crossmember? I have a 4spd crossmember, so if i ever go with a 200, i will be able to put it right in...
Seeing your trailer kinda makes me wish i didnt have an enclosed(i bought last June)...i miss the thumbs up, when people go by me on the highway...

Bowling Green PukeFest
 

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Holy Cow!
First off, I glad that your O.K., that is most important.

On my Wagon, I have 2" steel straps welded to the ends of the perch angled back to the axle tube on both ends.

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Dang! Im pretty sure that Moser would be getting a call from me, on this deal... THey should make it right. I had them do mine, about 12yrs ago, and ive had no problems...they must be using chinese parts... Now, i will look at mine...I think mine are stronger looking , if i recall...

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The way it used to look hehe...

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One would think that with a failure this quick I can't be the only one this has happened to. Btw, the Moser website really sucks.

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Been there; done that. You will end up with something like this made from square or rectangular tubing and then boxed on the ends.

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Thanks Dwight...found something better at Calverts. http://www.calvertracing.com/store/h...pair-p-63.html

My question is why Moser did not use something better when they knew beforehand exactly what the intended application was.

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It was/is pretty common to weld some straps on those perches....but I never saw a failure like that even without them.

You have a ton of work to fix that....pull rear cut off perches....weld on new ones...add strapping....check everything else for damage...

If it is legal a strap going over the top of the axle and down to the perch front and back should work.

The metal that those perches are made from is questionable in my mind...

That's a nice car....I would love to have it....and will be fun to race when you get it fixed....

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You are right...a ton of work required for no good reason. Pretty bummed about Moser atm...why use such cheap parts? I'm going to order those Calvert perches and have a local builder do the job. I may be wrong, but my gut feeling tells me Moser would be a long stall in getting any satisfaction and we want to race sometime this season.

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I would call Moser and give them an opportunity to correct the situation.They should be on the hook for this and fix it asap,saving you some $. If you don't get a warm fuzzy feeling on the phone then you may want to go elsewhere. With social media such as this forum I would hope they view this problem as an opportunity to provide a solution and turn it into a positive for all of us to read about !
The company I work for monitors the web constantly for any such issues and jumps all over them to minimize any damage to it's reputation.

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The thing is Tim that even if they repair the housing or even replace it we would get the same thing back. They offer nothing different in the design of perches. I find it difficult to believe that this is the first or only instance of this happening to a Moser perch and them not hearing about it. That and taking no measures to rectify the problem.

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Rich:
Did you extend the axle housing locator pin through those aluminum spacers and shim?

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I agree with Tim H. Moser has a good rep for supporting their customers.

You get better results with honey rather than vinegar...

They probably buy those perches from a vendor and on a street car they would be fine.

On a racecar with a 3 speed with a steep first gear they are not strong enough.

Should they know this...well yes they should. Call them.

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This is a must do...pin will pop out and rear will move. Been there done that 40+ years ago....

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Check out Calvets pinion angle shims .

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Not so much vinegar, but a lot of disappointment here. Worked our *** off on the car all winter to have this happen the first pass. Yeah, they will get a call for sure. This is a time killer more than labor involved for us. Don't you agree tho that as long as Moser has been in the game they would have some inkling of this problem? My partner ordered this housing directly from them on the phone and they knew full well the intended application.

For the prior post - The Calvert blocks have their own locating dowels which mesh with succeeding stacks. This was not an issue here as nothing slipped...the flimbsy perches merely collapsed.

When I call Moser I will ask if they will repair the housing and replace the perches with Calvert's which I will provide since they obviously don't have a suitable replacement. I'm off to the shop shortly to strip the housing out of the car.

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Didn't Paul Wong have something like this happen to his truck at Stanton last year?

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I do agree 100%

Drag racing is full of setbacks and some are out of our control.

It is a disappointing way to get started.

When I have something happen like that it just makes me more determined to fix it right....

I built a new engine last year and had plans to try and race more...

I broke the engine.....fixed it...and the same thing happened a second time. I fixed it and replaced what was causing the failures....It pretty much cost me about 2 months worth of racing time not to mention the $$$

It was a very simple issue that led to a major valve train failure. The parts came from one manufacturer and should really have been compatible. I did not pursue it with them as their stated parts warrantee policy was clear.

Racing is tough....and always has been...

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Rich, other than achieving a static height change, was there a need/goal that required the installation of the 2 aluminum spacers?

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We have those Calvert HD perches in stock call me after 11.00 AM CST Therapy tomorrow morning so I get in late.

Also how do you get to run a 3 speed with a small block, I always thought 67-68 small blocks were PG only?

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Any Trans is now accepted if it is from the original manufacturer.

So P/G only combos like his can use a 3 speed GM trans of his choice...

I think it is a good rule and makes these cars way more fun to race.....and maybe more competitive.

With all the other bogus stuff allowed this is minor....

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Dave - The ride height over the rear tires was the only reason for the lowering blocks. Even with the 1" under split-leafs the car sat too high in the back...it now has the perfect stance.

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Thanks Alex for the offer, but there was a sudden turn of events this morning.

When my partner showed up this morning I had the housing ready to pull out. One thing led to another and we were headed to town to pick up his torch and welder. Long story short is the perches are repaired, reinforced and the housing is back under the car ready for battle. Plan on being back at Bowling Green this Saturday to pick up where I left off. ;)

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Tough luck Rich with the Moser perches. We have always braced the original 12 bolt GM perches and never had a problem. There is no question in my mind that the Moser perch is an inferior part. That perch should have not crushed, we used to pull the GM ones loose from the tubes until we braced them, but they never crushed.

Smith Racecraft makes a first class perch designed for racing that you can order for a stock height or 1" lowered built into the perch. They are a nice piece that you may want to check out.

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Pretty sure we are good to go now...there's a bunch of heavy metal under those perches now hehe. Our buddy Perry Simpkins told us today he has the stock multi-leaf perches under his '69 running mono-leaf springs...they must be stouter. If we had not been able to salvage our brackets I probably would have ordered the Calvert's...they look just right. :)

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Thanks for the good news Rich since IHRA has chosen once again to continue to abandon the midwest we were looking to convert our really nice crate motor team Camaro to NHRA and this will make it much easier since it a;lready has a 3 speed.
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PS. does anypone have a good set of 68 heads,intake and quadrabog they want to sell?
and, we'll have a really good set of fast burn heads intake and QFT carb for sale soon

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Speaking of parts wanted/needed - I'm looking for a extended fuel fitting, 1"x20 8AN for a Edelbrock carb like the one pictured below but have had no luck locating a source. Anyone have a link?

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