Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

A SUPERB find indeed. I became convinced that the glass hood 427-4v Fairlanes ran in SS/C.770 in 1967 by a much more convoluted process. Good old Roger Huntington, getting right down to it.

But by late 1968, that 4v glass hood combo disappears from the NHRA guide, and then the records set by those cars vanish too. So that never-factory combo went away, at least until the last few years. It's legal again now. Makes our sleuthing even more difficult. We'll get there.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

In learning this the Kister Big Iron story is another I've tried to follow.
His 1960 389/363hp Super Duty car, followed by a 400/370hp (factored to 380hp) RamAir4 69 GTO, and then a "base" 400/350hp 70 GTO, all with national wins/records.

Kister was runner-up in D/S=9.00 class here at 69 Indy. The narrative I have says Robertson won D/S, but in a 69 Buick and no Buick will fit that class. So I guessed Robertson ran either a RamAir4 or a Z28.

Then from this picture out of Petersen, found with the help of another Class Racer, I concluded this was probably the D/S race where probably Robertson in the Z28 won against runner-up Kister in the 69 RamAir4

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=320033

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

OK, I think I finally see what you're doin. :o

You listed 3 POSSIBLE D/S driver/car combo winners, since you were not SURE who, or which combo, won.

I only looked for the blue color to check out the Pontiacs. Never even noticed there were more than one D/S listed. :o

NOW, do you have any more info on the single D/SA driver you have listed, "b bunker" ?

That name does not ring a bell, for me. I have pics of lots of '69 GTO's. I don't know the names of the driver, or drivers, of all of 'em. If the guy's name was Bill or Billy, I suppose the "Billy's Goat" car I have a pic of could be the car. But it's a long shot.

Would like to know more about that reference to Peterson. How do you look up drag car pics there ?

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

Exactly!
I'll just make some guesses when I dont know.

All I have on b bunker D/SA is:

bill bunker, N Miami FL

Oh man you will enjoy all those pictures!
On Petersen: Here's how to look them up.

Single picture if known:
https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=940202


General Search for a Meet: Start eg here:
https://archive.petersen.org/pages/home.php

Then click the1960s box. (Doing that will take you here):
https://archive.petersen.org/pages/s...=&k=&restypes=

Then type:
“1969 nhra springnationals”
Into the search box. (without the quotes)
16 pages of cars comes up, all PROBABLY from that meet.

you can search stuff like 1964 winternationals, 1965 US nationals, etc.
Not all the meets are in there, but a lot of them are.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

DC - Couple of possibke amendments for your 69 list.

1 - ‘Ben’ Wolfe’ - B/SA SpringNats - Try this guy

https://www.motortrend.com/features/...69-pontiac-gto

2 - Re Tom Schumacher, B/Stock Indy - Just a factoid.....The car he beat was his old Fairlane Hardtop W Code. The driver, was not only the guy he sold it to, but Tom had borrowed this guys steel hood off his street car at the. springNats when tech disallowed his glass hood! Small world!

I have asked Ronnie Crawford to try and find out his name - Ronnie crewed for Tom.

3 - I cannot find A NY reference to a P Scalla on the net...most frustrating!

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

Good find!
It doesnt SEEM like a fit, since the RA4 was factored at 380hp, so
3500/380=9.21 which would run in D/SA=9.00 class.

But as I look, the ONLY wins I have for the RA4 are in 1970, not 1969.
Maybe the RA4 was factored to say 425hp in 1969, and then since wins were rare & it was factored SO high, it was the 1st of several engines to get factored back DOWN.

This makes some sense, because the RA4 Gonkulates at 424hp, and I've tried everything I can to get it lower - that doggone RA4 just wants to make power.

Well I will put that in as a strawman then, it's sure hard to argue with given the name Ben Wolf is right there on the sheet. 69 could easily be misread as 61 so that makes some sense too.

Awesome, another RA4 win, and 2 classes up from where it ran in 1970.

On Scalla, try Scalia maybe? Like the Supreme Court judge?

EDIT 27 Sept:
Well now I'm not so sure of the whole RA4 factored to 425hp then downfactored to 380hp thing:

1. The Motor Trend article guys are Wilson "Sonny" Wolfe Jr and Wilson Wolfe III - I'm not seeing a Ben Wolfe.
2. Per below, the Ben Wolf that won SPring 69 B/SA=8.00 class is likely Ben Wolf of Wolf & McClelland, I think oldskool nailed that one.
3. Most disturbing, I just realized that Indy 69 D/SA=9.00 class was won by a 69 Pontiac. We dont know for SURE that the Bunker Pontiac is a GTO RA4, but a RA3 at 3500/366=9.56 would run in E/SA=9.50 class.
And a RA4 at the good old 380 hp Factor fits D/SA=9.00
3500/380=9.21
Then again, if Bunker was a 69 Firebird RA3, then
3318/366=9.07 is a great fit.
Seems the only "Big" Pontiac in D/SA=9.00 would be the good old 62 Cat Superduty, but that's a 62 not a 69.

SO: As of Sep 1969 it LOOKS like the RA4 was factored at 380hp, just like in 1970. Unless it got de-factored between June and September 1969 (possible I guess but not likely) then the Indy 69 B/SA=8.00 car CANNOT be a RA4 GTO. Unless Bunker's D/SA=9.00 "Pontiac" was a Firebird RA3, then that re-opens the possibility that the RA4 was factored at 425hp for all of 1969.

But, Ben Wolf seems unrelated to Wilson "Sonny" Wolfe and his 69 RA4 GTO, so there's no evidence other than a way-over-factored fit that Ben Wolf's B/SA=8.00 winner was a 69 RA4 GTO. But if not, then what was it?
A Firebird RA4 factored to 400hp? (Then down to 380hp for 1970?)
Could be. Or not.

Back to Square 1?

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

I figure this has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

BUT, that name Wolfe triggered this thought to me.

I have some pics of a '62 Pontiac with the name Wolf & McClelland over the door. Have pics with it running C/SA & D/SA.

Name not even spelled the same. So, the similarity of a Wolf '62 Pontiac to a Wolfe '69 Pontiac is probably accidental.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

And Its Ben Wolf per Doug Boyce's book, same as Ben Wolf 61 Pontiac listed as winner of B/SA at 1969 Springnationals.

So either the name is spelled wrong in the article or tts a coincidence that Ben Wolf ran a Pontiac and Wilson "Sonny" Wolfe also ran a Pontiac.
Maybe coincidence.

I'm now betting the B/SA win in Spring 1969 was likely the Ben Wolf of Wolf&McClelland, since McClelland was still running the big 62 Cat in D/SA=9.00 class at the same meet (and won).

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

"...Maybe the RA4 was factored to say 425hp in 1969, and then since wins were rare & it was factored SO high, it was the 1st of several engines to get factored back DOWN..."

Never heard this before. Would love to know the hp factors, & change dates of factors & classes run, thru the years.

I have pics of a couple of '69 Judge Stockers, with the words NHRA Nat'l Record Holder, on 'em. But IIRC, they are in either D/S or E/S. So, would that have been the RA3 engine ? Just not familiar with those old ratings, at all.

In '73, when I started, the tech guys at my local track put the 350hp engine in E/S, the 366hp in D/S & the 370hp in C/S.

Have to tell this story. In '74, I ran against a Stage 1 455 Buick, in the Stock finals. It was running C/S. I was running D/S. We were running off our track records. I had set mine & lowered it a couple of times. I assume he had set his, don't know. Mine was quicker than his. So he got to leave 1st.

After I ran him, they said that he'd won. But, there were no time slips given. So, I didn't know if I'd broke out, or what. So, I went up into the tower to see if I could find out the details.

Well, the driver of that Buick was real good friends with the track operator & the staff in the tower. So, they were all up there laffing & drinkin beer & havin a good time. When I came in & ask about the numbers, it was like a pack of wolves had turned on me. The guy basically just told me that I'd lost, so just get the blankity-blank out of here !

Well, I did exactly as he said. BUT, I came back to the track the next week, with a plan. When I teched in, I claimed the 370hp engine. All numbers & lettering on the windows were done with shoe polish. So, there were none on it. And the local tech guys didn't know anything about a Pontiac.

So, they put me in C/S, & wrote it on the windows. During time trails you could notify the tower & run to set a new track record. So, I did that & made a pass as hard as the Goat would run, which was in the 13.50's. That was then the new C/S track record. I came back to the pits, loaded the Goat on the trailer, & left.

Well, the Buick was still street driven. It would NOT run 13.50's. I can't remember if it would even run high 13's. So, it didn't really have much of a chance, if it had to run off that new C/S track record. I figure his buddies in the tower just left his record where it had been. Don't really remember that part. BUT, I can assure you, that guy remembered me & my Goat, for many years after that. Probably called me all sorts of ugly names.

After that race, I pulled the engine out of my Goat & put it into a '68 Bird, so my girlfriend could race. She learned quick. Had a legal Stocker engine built for her car, over the winter. She won her first 6 races of '75, plus the LA State Championship race, held at our local track in Monroe. At the end of that season, I put in a 4-speed Muncie & street gears & she used the car for her daily driver for the next couple of years. Only got one ticket, which was for illegal exhausts, or some sort of charge.

Hey, if you live long enuff, you can make lots of good memories. :)

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

Indeed, factoring is bad enough but factoring CHANGES drive me nuts.

Your 1973 memories jive with what I've thought & heard from Dwight S:

3500/380= 9.21 C/SA=9.00 in 1973 RA4 (factored up from 370)
3500/366= 9.56 D/SA=9.50 in 1973 RA3
3500/350=10.00 E/SA=10.00 in 1973 Base

It's just going to be hard to explain any Pontiac running with W/P in the 8.00-8.49 class. Even the RA4 Firebirds are 3318/380=8.73 so no fit there either.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

IIRC, I have evidence of Truman Field's '68 Birds running A/S, B/S, C/S, D/S, Plus B Pure Stock.

Don't know what engine he was running, or the exact year of every pic.

I assume he at least experimented with the 330hp D-port, at some point. OR, maybe not. Don't know.

The different classes may just reflect rule, classification, & hp factor changes, in different years.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

I agree with you both - I think its pretty conclusive that the 69 Spring B/SA winner was W olf & Mclelland.

Ray McClelland won A/Stock Auto at the 68 SpringNats in a 62 Cat...so the class drop makes sense.

Re - Joe Dougherty - I have a pic showing he ran a 150 Delivery, not a Wagon.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

DC - Your 69 Indy list has a Z28 winning E/Stock (Durbin)....so not sure how one could also win D/Stock?

Sorry if that sends you back to the drawing board....

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

Davisson won D/SA atthe 69 winters in a 62 Pontiac

McClelland ran the 383cui/333hp Tempest 4V motor in D/Stock Auto
Max Sterling ran the same combo in D/Stock

....both at 69 SpringNats

What combo would Wolf have run in B/SA at the 69 SpringNats? I’m guessing it was the 68 A/SA Springnats car - which was a 421/405 , like the pic Old School posted.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

Well we can say that 69 Spring B/SA=8.00 was Wolf of Wolf McClelland, but not in their usual 62 SuperDuty 421. It doesnt fit the class.

McClelland won 68 Spring C/SA=9.00 class in the big SuperDuty Cat.
That same class became D/SA=9.00 for 69 Spring, which he won in the same car.

It could well be that Wolf won B/SA=8.00 in Spring 68, but I'm still not sure which car - a highly factored RA4? That's about all that makes sense.

Agree on Dougherty - I just put wagon because Boyce'e text says that. But on the same pg116 he shows a picture of the Sedan Delivery, which was the usual entry down there until the big truck transmission was banned for the 1970 season. It's actually a better fit to class anyway.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

Oh that's an easier one. For THAT YEAR, factored to 320hp,
67 Z28 = 9.23 fits D/S=9.00
68 Z28 = 9.59 fits E/S=9.50
69 Z28 = 10.05 fits F/S=10.00 but didnt win that class

I've heard 428CJ guys complain about having to run against the little toy Z28 cars. Well, the early Camaros were just LIGHT - and the Z28 had a monster cam, and a bigger carb than the 428CJ, so they made some power.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

OK wait:
I have Davisson winning 69 Winter D/S=9.00 in a 62 Cat 421SD.

McClelland in 69 Spring D/SA=9.00, also 62 Cat 421SD
Sterling in 69 Spring D/S=9.00, again 62 Cat 421SD

The 61 Cat/Ventura 389/333hp has a W/P of just over 11, which would run way down in H/SA=11.00 class in 1969.

The Wolf car 69 Spring B/SA=8.00 could not be a 62 Cat 421SD - those cars are just too heavy.
The lightest aluminum 62 421 SuperDuty Cat I see is the aluminum front 2-door sedan at
3609/405=8.91 which would run in C/SA=8.50 but a bad fit.
The big 421SD always ran at W/P=9.01 from 1968-up which would be D/S=9.00 or D/SA=9.00 in 1969.

A 63 Swiss Cheese Cat could run up in B/SA=8.00 but those were never stock legal - not enough made.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

"...The 61 Cat/Ventura 389/333hp has a W/P of just over 11, which would run way down in H/SA=11.00 class in 1969..."


Don't know about the exact math. But that sounds reasonable.

Below is a pic of the Moore '61 368hp car. Caption says it set the F/S record in '69. So, if that caption is correct, then with a 333hp engine, it would have to run a lower class than F.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

That sounds right.
3683/368=10.01 top of F/S=10.00 class
3683/333=11.05 top of H/S=11.05 (or H/SA if trans weight is ignored)

What I CANT find right now is where the 333hp car won or set a record.
But for sure, that combo is not way up there in the B/SA=8.00 class or even D/SA=9.00 class in 1969.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

"...What combo would Wolf have run in B/SA at the 69 SpringNats?..."

If it wasn't a 421SD powered car, I'd say it had to either be a Tri-Power GTO, or a round port Bird.

Those are the only non-421SD cars I remember seeing pics of, running in B. Even have a pic of Truman Fields' '68 Bird running in A/S. Pretty sure he set records in both B/S & C/S.

Don't know exactly what years he ran in which classes. But, apparently, round port '68 Birds ran B/S the first few years after they came out. Here are some pics. Mike McKinney was running B/S when he won Indy '77, in Truman's first Bird. That same year, Truman set the B/S record in the Bird he'd took on trade, from Mike. Also got the C/S Indy class win that year. Don't know what changes were made to switch from B/S to C/S, back then. Were you allowed to remove & add weight, in '77 ?

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

Adding weight:
Per the books I have, thru 1969:
You could NOT add weight - if the shipping weight was 5 lb light, too bad, you went into the bottom of the faster class. So, just a bad combo.

Per my 1989 NHRA book, you could ballast or remove, 100-200 lb or so.
So, not sure about 1977.

The 1973 record had the same classes as 1968, so B/S=8.50, meaning the factor had to be between 370hp and 385hp. Since the RA4 was factored to 380hp back then, the RA2 at 370-375hp makes some sense.

Seems like those pictures are all B/S, but to get up into A/S, well the heaviest year for A/S was 1968 when A/S=8.00. Or, from 1973-up also had A/S=8.00 class To get up into A/S=8.00-8.49 the RA2 would have to be factored at 390-410hp, somewhere in there. I guess that's possible - they factored the RA2 way up, then back down to maybe 370hp. Bottom line is we just dont know.

Either way it seems that B/SA=8.50 Mystery Ben Wolf car of Spring 69 was either a:
69 GTO RA4
69 Bird RA4
68 Bird RA2
Nothing else seems to fit up that high.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

Sorry..my point was if you have Robertson winning D/Stock 69 Indy, how can Durbin have won E Stock in the same car?

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

OK, I’m with the program now! I was working backwards...assuming less power = lower class....but forgot about weight.

So in Summary

- Wolf was NOT a Cat , either 333hp or 405hp
- The 333hp cars w ould have run very low classes

I think I’ll just have to take your best guess on Wolf’s car.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

I’VE HAD A WIN! Colsey came through!

See the pics.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

DC & OldSkool - On another tack....I’m making up a list of cars that were seen for the first time in 69 in SS.

Basically any new models, or existing models with new for 69 engines.

So far I have the L72 and ZL1 Camaros, the Hurst AMC AMX ...can you think of any others?

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

I found that car in Petersen but wasnt sure, cant see Scalia on it.
Says Z28 in the grille so had some doubts.
But if that's the car it also confirms a cowl hood, which I think kicked the 427/425hp-L72 factor up from 435hp to 445hp. Very close fit to class at W/P=7.57.

I'm officially taking the "pink" out of those boxes so it's "Confirmed" LOL.
As confirmed as anything gets sometimes.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

OK I looked back at the chart (pg4) but those look ok
D/S=9.00 67 Camaro Robertson
E/S=9.50 68 Camaro Durbin

What I do have is D/S=9.00 Robertson BUICK which is what the narrative said but it's wrong. No Buick up that high for one thing but I have Robertson's car picture from Peterson, it's a Camaro.

Those charts will need some updating after all this, but that's the point!

photo of Robertson's 67 Z28 at 69 Indy:
https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=326967

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

I thought Oldskool would like this one.
Looks like the H/SA=11.00 runoff race.
Winner, Merkle in the heavy Fairlane Ragtop 428CJ.

R/U, no name but could it be record-holder Mosley?
Car says "Movin On"
65 Cat 2+2, 421/356-6v fits class, 4055/356=11.39


https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=320904

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

69 428CJ Fairlane Cobra 4speed RamAir.
(For 68 only the Mustang had those, Fairlanes were all auto flat hood)

69 GTO Ra4

69 Nova 350/LM1.
The LM1 350/255hp was factored to 270hp almost right away & still kept winning. It showed up &won in the Camaro, Nova, Chevelle, Camaro Ragtop, even the big car. It was kind of the new "283".
This is the same engine you'd see for the next 30 years in auto parts store lobbies as a "new GM Goodwrench 350 for $1195" or whatever.
It's just basically a 350/300hp with lower compression.

Some of the Hemi cars got ram air for 1969 which I think was new vs 68.
Factor didnt change AFAIK which is a little strange. NHRA didnt totally know how to handle factoring yet for combos that had EITHER flat hood or cold air. Sometimes cold air got factored higher, sometimes not.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

Well, obviously, '69 was the 1st year of the Ram Air 4 round port head engines.

But I don't know of a single car that ran SS, in '69.

John Angeles had a '69 SS Bird that is said to have been the 1st Pontiac 400 powered reg SS Pontiac to break into the 9's, back in 2000. John's daughter Keri was driving it.

But I doubt John was racing it in '69, especially not in SS.

Would probably have had to be a Pontiac dealer sponsored car. There were some dealers racing Stockers back then. But I don't know of any who raced a new '69 Pontiac, in '69, in SS.

I have pics of 2 possibilities. But, I don't know what year they began racing in SS. One had "Strong" on the door & was marked SS/F. The other was Phil Monteith's '69 RAIV "Hatari" Bird, marked SS/FA. I've seem it marked with a stock class designation. So, I don't know that he ran SS, in '69.

Am posting a pic of the "Chief Justice" SS/G '69 Judge. It's a small tire Super Stocker. But again, don't know when it began racing SS.

The "Packin Poncho" was a '69 RAIV SS Judge. I think it ran in AHRA & IHRA events, mostly, since it had an aftermarket hoop scoop. We saw it run back in around '75 or '76 in Amarillo, @ the World Nationals. In this pic, it was running SS3/GA

An aticle on FB says this: "... This is the famous race car of Royce Fowlers - the Packin Poncho. This is 1 of 549 Ram Air IV with a manual transmission. It was originally commissioned in 1969 to be a super stock race car and only has 5124 miles clocked on the odometer..."

https://www.facebook.com/krybabyperf...4468627055298/

http://www.oneownercollectorcar.com/...o-royce-fowler

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

Thanks both for your help.

DC - I posted an abbreviated version if your STOCK list (no weight break info, no engine data) on a Group on FB - A couple of guys added their 2c - these were guys who raced back then - Tom Myl and Tommy Laird.....so took it at face value and changed it.

Callahan
Iaconio
Rowe (350/255hp Nova)

Another guy posted what he claimed were the correct cars for a couple - I don’t know how he knows......he’s a dislikeable bloke...but I put his opinion in brackets at the end - be interested to know what you guys think?


69 NATIONALS Top Stock Class Winners

A/S - P Scalia - 69 Camaro - 11.81 @ 116.73. (PICTURED)
A/SA - H Lang - 63 Plymouth Savoy - 11.65 @ 111.11
B/S - Tom Schumacher - 67 Fairlane - 12.09
B/SA-
C/S- Norm Fryer - 66 Chev Biscayne - 12.06 @ 110.70
C/SA - Tritak/Morgan - 63 Plymouth - 12.42 @ 91.42
D/S - William Robertson - Camaro Z28- 12.24 @ 109.89
D/SA - B Bunker - Pontiac GTO - 12.45 @ 110.97
E/S - D Durbin - Camaro Z28 - 12.25 @ 112.21
E/SA - T Callahan - 63 Fury - 12.60 @ 101.46 (62 Fury)
F/S - J Marks - Olds W30 - 12.44 @ 101.69
F/SA- Dick Simon - Fairlane 500 - 12.74 @ 100.67 (W31 Olds)
G/S - Larry Lombardo - 61 Corvette - 14.32 @ 64.79
G/SA- Bob Burkett - 62 Dodge Wagon - 13.17 @ 92.40
H/S- Frank Iaconio - 57 Chev 150 - 14.47 @ 71.48
H/SA - Merkle - Fairlane - 13.21 @ 93.85
I/S - B. Rowe - 69 Nova - 12.66 @ 109.48
I/SA - Thropp - 57 Pontiac Chieftan - 13.46 @ 95.64
J/S - Morrison - 57 Chev 210 - 13.03 @ 103.32
J/SA - Dougherty - 57 Chev 150 delivery - 13.32 @ 104.16
K/S - Allen-Kling - 57 Chev Wagon - 15.44 @ 56.35
K/SA- W Walker - 57 Chev Delivery - 13.60 @ 102.73
L/S - D Filo - Unknown - 13.58 @ 100.67
L/SA- G Cureton - 56 Chev Delivery - 13.66 @ 99.88
M/S - I Vaubel - 56 Chev 210 - 13.71 @ 100.44
M/SA - Wayne Jesel - 56 Chev Delivery- 13.90 @ 96.68
N/S - J Machula - 55 Chev 150 - 13.78 @ 98.40
N/SA - Marv Ripes - 67 Camaro vert - 14.11 @ 86.78 (57 210 Delivery)
O/S- Westberg/Westfall - 55 Chev 210 - 14.18 @ 84.28
O/SA
P/S - Bob Beckett - 57 Chev Sedan 210 - 15.06 @ 92.11
P/SA
Q/S - Dave Boertman - 59 Chev Biscayne - 15.17 @ 60.36
Q/SA
R/S- Tom Neja - 57 Chev Wagon 150 -15.37 @ 74.26
R/SA
T/S - Ivar Smietniks - 52 Oldsmobile 88 - 15.83 @ 86.87
T/SA
U/S - Ted Harbit - 51 Studebaker - 16.22 @ 82.64
U/SA
V/S - D Hamburger - 50 Oldsmobile - 16.55 @ 82.11
V/SA

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

Good finds!
Between Zuckerberg & Branson my FB account is broken, trying to get back over there but FB has no customer service whatsoever.

H/S Iaconio, not sure how I got 210, 150 looks right from the pic.
I/S I'd already found the Rowe Nova, not the best fit but there it is.

P/S Boyce shows a picture of Beckett / Beckerts car, a wagon.

E/SA Callahan, Fury has to be a 62, no 63 Fury fits class.

F/SA Simon - both Boyce and the Drag News narrative I have say 67 Ford, but the 68 or 69 W31 F-85 is a good fit too. The name Dick Simon doesnt ring a bell with the Ford folks so that one's still open.

N/SA Ripes - Drag News says 67 Camaro but a 327/210hp-2v fits, pretty rare to see a 2bbl. Boyce says he ran Barkley's old car which was not a sedan deliv. But a Sedan Deliv makes sense, though Ripes was a powerglide converter pioneer so unusual for him to run a hydramatic which was trendy in the sedan delivery until they got banned for 1970.

Getting pretty close on this sheet, less vague than many of them!

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

You're not asking the right Ford people if they don't know who Dick Simon is.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

Steve,
Well thanks for that! Sounds like 67 Ford is right then.

See the pg4 tables I did - my best guess there is a Fairlane 390gt/320hp.
2-door sedan, W/P=10.22.

Any recollection of what cars Dick Simon ran?

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

67 Fairlane 500 conv. with a 427/410.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

Ok but unless it was a 427-2bbl (LOL) it wont fit class:
3688/410=9.00
Fairlane Convertible 427/410hp
That would run up in D/S=9.00 or D/SA=9.00 class.

That's why I guessed the 390gt/320hp, which, with its lower rating (vs the 66 at 335hp) but the same legal C6AE-R heads and 428pi aluminum intake, was not too bad of a combo.

The 390gt Mustangs fit E/S=9.50 class, and the 289hp/271 Mustangs fit G/S=10.50 class.

A Mustang Convertible 390gt/320 fits F/SA=10.00 at
3235/320=10.11
So, could be a Fairlane 2dr post or Mustang Convert.

I cant get anything else to fit, IF its a 67 Ford.
Usually if it's a Mustang they'll say that, and "Ford" usually means eg Galaxie or Fairlane so I guessed the Fairlane that fit.

A big Ford 2dr Ranch Wagon fits at
4203/410=10.25
Legal in the current class guide, but I didn't think Ford put the 427 in wagons which is how Charbonneau's 427 Fairlane wagon later got banned as of 1970 or so.

But this DOES fit -
Do you think it could be a 427 Wagon?

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

This says C/SA for Dick Simon



https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...ACE-CAR-161420


Stan

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

C/SA=9.00 makes sense for the Fairlane Convert 427/410 shown.
In 1968, and again from 1973-up, NHRA had
C/SA=9.00-9.49
It says Simon set records in the Fairlane Convert 427/410- I cant find them so I wonder if they were set in the 1973-up timeframe?

But the 1969 Indy results say Simon in D/SA=10.00 class, and the 427 makes too much power to go there except in that big Ford wagon.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

It's my understanding that the Fairlane was not a factory 427 car.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

It sure was!
1966: About 57 built, AFAIK all hardtops, glass hood, almost all dual quad, maybe a few single quad.

1967: About 229 427 Fairlanes built and 60 427 Comets built. My understanding is all were FACTORY with flat STEEL hoods, but a Ford letter made the glass hood legal. All were built as 4speeds but again a Ford letter made the C6 auto NHRA legal. Most or all were 2dr post or hardtop cars, although the 427 is listed for the convertible too, and the Fairlane wagon (never heard of one built though, neither had NHRA), and the hardtop XL, but not the hardtop GT.

TODAY, you can run the 427 in just about any 66-67 Fairlane you want, but the rules were a little tighter from 68-70.

Lots of wins for the 427/410-4v flat hood Fairlane, and lots of SS wins for the glass hood 427/425-8v Fairlane even though it was factored to 460-472hp by NHRA back in the 1967-71 era.