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I don't see it Dale. In a heads up race the first foul would be the loser...only in handicap races would TruStart come into play. If this is not the case then I see a lot of legitimate gripes coming.

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In a heads up race, the first to move would red light the worst. It has to, cannot be any other way.

With TruStart, In a handicap race, regardless of what the dial is, the worse red light loses.

15 sec car leaves the line and no red or green light is on, 5 seconds later the 10 second car leaves the line and either;
1) both green come on and it's a race,
2) red light comes on the slower car giving the faster car the green
3) red light comes on the faster car giving the slower car the green

The only thing I don't know is if they are both red, does the least red go green to show he won the round or do they both go red but the win light comes on in the least offending lane?

Regardless, nobody will see any difference other than instead of the green coming on when the first car leaves, it will wait until the second car leaves......and the faster cars don't get "freebees".

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You guy's are making this to complicated. It is very simple. Re-watch the video and reread Peter's post.

Thanks Peter for chiming in.

Now back to the Poll Canadians please chime in also.

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Personally - I think all of us that built any cars like to experience any type of "advantage" we may have. That being said, I can PERSONALLY say that in the last 18 months I have red lighted more than I care to admit - and there was nobody in the other lane red-lighting so I lost the races fair and square on my own. And I can't remember the last time I've been chased - so it made zero difference in my race outcomes. As a race promoter or organization, I can completely understand the view to make this a standard practice to employ TruStart. As an individual competitor trying to win, I am fine with the system as it is today - but I won't race any less if this rule were to change.

It would be very interesting to see a simple stat of just how many times in a full season of Stock or Super Stock and see how many race outcomes would even be affected by this? I would bet it is less than 5% of races. This really is not a common thing in my opinion to see double red-lights. Partially because faster cars can many times see the red light shining on the other side of the tree and I can guess that leads to the faster car drivers "missing" the tree from that distraction. Just a guess.

Mike Mans

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Really. lol Get the slide rule out!

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hey, I gots a question.....what if you have 2 cars, one dials 15.30 and the other dial an 8.80 but both redlight at say -.007?
what happens?

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They go to the next decimal. If it's still a tie, they go the the next one etc... I think the clocks go out to nine decimal places.

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ASSUME that it's a tie all the way out, is it still a good race? as in the ET end of it?

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Here is a better way to look at it. You control your own destiny at the starting line don't go RED and Tru start will not affect the outcome of your race.

Is that simple enough for every one.

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Sorry James....I don`t see where thats a better way to look at it......Vegas casinos got rich because you have to turn your cards up before the dealer has to take the last card...You bust and you lose.....Over the years NHRA has had 2 obligations to the racers..First was safety and second was to provide a level playing field..As I see it they have addressed both and tru-start is the next logical progression...

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The following tracks have added TruSTART for next year:

Summit Raceway Park
Firebird Raceway
SGMP
Tucson Dragway
LVMS
Orlando Speed World Dragway
Sonoma Raceway
Maple Grove
Bandimere Speedway


-Kyle
www.BracketRaces.com

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James, thank you for your efforts in this poll. I would like to cast three votes in favor of tru-start if the cost of the software is not passed on to the racers. If it is then we will make do with the "clean light" advantage. I know this is a hard to predict deal. Also thank you to Tommy and Larry for an honest answer of liking the advantage of having a faster car. We all know the rules going in to the race. Happy holidays to all!

6278 SS/P Mike Parmenter
6191 SS/NA Bill Parmenter
6776 D/SA Fadi Ateyeh

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I am sorry Peter and Kyle, but I disagree. However, in a delay box class where both cars are leaving on the same bulb, it makes sense. Everybody has their own opinion on slower cars vs faster cars having their advantages. But if everybody wants to make it "fair" with regards to the tree, I would like to know how you give both cars a clean tree without a delay box. I really hope this does not come to what is left of a performance based class.

Jason

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Organized drag racing is a performance based sport that thrives on the fact that we take "normal" cars and turn them into purpose built Hotrods. Everyone that races should understand that a quick/fast car takes considerably more money and effort to campaign. Now by changing the rules you are taking away a "benefit" given to the quicker car. This rule change will hasten the demise of class racing. Why? Because there is no incentive to have a quicker car. The future will show a group of 500 to 600 hp Super Stockers all running 9:50's to 10:50's. Leave True Start where it belongs, with the bracket racers.

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Don't follow your logic...how does one lose any "incentive" when Tru-Start was designed with handicap racing in mind? Are we not just "bracket racing" when not involved in a heads-up situation?

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OOOOO That nasty black Mustang!
TruStart is a $2800 software upgrade to an existing Compulink timing system based on info from another forum thread. Not a huge expense.

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Sooooo, what do you race? Your checkbook or your mouth?

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X2 you got it!

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So completely "blind" the tree! A 4x8 sheet of plywood should do the trick.
And maybe I'm dense or something but I just can't figure out how Tru-Start has anything to do with "what is left of a performance based class".

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I think we should cut off husan bolts foot off because he is the fastest one billy delay box guys set up 005 or better there are a lot of double reds there within 005 yes that would work bottom bulb not that tight so I still say no and I like pete and kyle but I can disagree with this rule!























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best post yet

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Ego and bragging rights will still keep the fast cars coming. I see 9.50 cars racing 1000 ft. and dumping without Tru-start. Staying green will show zero effect on a fast car using Tru-start.

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It won't. The other divisions should start their own poll.

This thread was started by my friend James Boyce to take a poll of Division 6 Stock and Super Stock racers on their like or dislike of Tru-Start, that is all it was for. Thanks to Peter Biondo for his posts to help understand Tru-Start.

By the way Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.

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I agree with Jason and against the tru start

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I currently race a SS GT truck. Set the NHRA record 3 times, the last at 9.69 @ 135.80 with a 255hp and QJ. Chuck Nagy SS1390

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Bob if you want to race a quick P/SA relative to your index, that's fine. I think a slow A/SA relative to his index should benefit from your red light by leaving last. Simple.

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It's the slow takeover of the shoe polish regime! Unfortunately, it's gonna happen. Too many trophies that have been presented towards participation!

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I just don't see what tru-Start has to do with the ruination of Stock and SS! I think that the loosening of all of the under hood rules have already done that!

It just seems like common sense that if the first to redlight loses then the first to break out should lose too.

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NOT the best post yet.

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For a variety of reasons i did not race last year, but would like to see tru-start implemented. I am old enough to remember running against the national record and the fast guys made the same kind of arguements.
jim johnston
ss/oa 6022

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It does make sense when comparing it to all the bracket racer rules. When stock and ss were first created, it was a performance based category, and people built cars to leave second because of the first chance of someone making a mistake. It's just another "let's make it fair" change. People build cars because of the way the rules are written.
Like I said, it's going to happen, whether I, or anyone else wants it to. Just frustrated with constant changes for the "bracket racer." Can we make all weight breaks 1 pound?

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I agree

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Sean, you have a point. Many people do build cars based on rules but not everyone. Just look at all the banter about wanting rule changes on here. Stock is only a few away from being lumped into super stock. I normally say no to any rule change but really don't feel very strongly about this one either way because it does not effect the performance part of the class. In a heads up nothing changes.

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DILLiAGAF lets just do away with heads ups runs also that would also make it fair for the slower cars in the same class and cheaper for everybodys wallet, now I'm for that no more changing oil and ice just race the guy in the other lane and you don't have to check the ladder every round.

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Anybody ???

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So a lot of you built FASTER cars ( A/S A/SA).....Put a lot of time , money and effort into being the big dogs in Stock Eliminator...That has all come to a screeching halt since the newer, faster and more expensive cars make you guys look like turtles out there....So if you want to still be the fast guy you had better sell your nostalgia stocker and dump another 100 grand plus into this diminishing disproportionate sport.....OR you can lobby to make it fairer for all, not just for the ones with the big wallet.........

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All that we've been doing for years is "bracket racing".
I'm OK with 1 pound weight breaks if that makes you feel better but we'll still be "bracket racing".

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Mick, what's the first A for?
Mark, I think that it's part of that nu-wave, high tech texting language.

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LOL billy doe it look like I am giving a fahq just speaking for me