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Tom Meyer 12-27-2020 11:05 AM

Re: Dime Rocket Fantasy
 
You deserve some credit by actually taking the time and effort to go do it. You showed it could be done. With over 30,000 hits on the nuting post and over 6000 on this one shows people are interested in this, so don't cut your self short. To quote Theodore Roosevelt:
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” This is what class racing is all about. We have never met as many on this site. But we know each others names and the cars, and for now thats good enough. Tom

Paul Wong 12-27-2020 03:03 PM

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The problem is talk is cheap when it comes to work or even investing a few thousand into something. I have received countless emails about a combo being good or feasible. It takes another whole type of individual to drag something home or even spend the effort. NHRA has even taken some of the interest away from my mentors and myself. Taking away the few rewards of combing the book for the next dime rocket or Indy number one qualifier. Those are two different animals as it takes a little more to be 1.50 + under using the same concept. A couple dimes in that case.

If I thought we could get enough interest I would be in for the dime rocket race with specific rules. Be a complete blast. It is nice to see a couple youngsters interested in the junior stock line of thinking. It still can be done without a 100k race car.

Billy Nees 12-27-2020 03:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Wong (Post 630540)
The problem is talk is cheap when it comes to work or even investing a few thousand into something.

Yup!

Mark Yacavone 12-28-2020 12:26 PM

Re: Dime Rocket Fantasy
 
It seems like once a year we see something similar on C/R:

" I want to race Stock..I found (or am looking for) a '70 Nova. What engine should I use ? "

* BN , BS, PW, MY... A 1970 350 2bbl is your best bet to do it reasonably.*

"Oh no. I couldn't go that slow. I want to run AA, A, B , or C/SA.

* But there would be less chance for head up runs, for a guy just starting out*

" I don't care about that .I just want to run the index. Not going to set any records"

C/R chorus : Tilburg, Wikle, Sorenson, Line, Parsons,... McClay, Sepanek , T-A, A-1

Fast forward, two years later.....We never , ever see these cars, or even a build thread...
Conclusion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VrFV5r8cs0

89bird 01-31-2022 10:24 AM

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I no this thread has been idle for a bit, but what are your thought about a 1966 mustang with a 200 inline 6 w/ a c4 trans, can still get these pretty right price wise, would be fun little car to drive, just my idea.

Glenn Briglio 01-31-2022 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 89bird (Post 656577)
I no this thread has been idle for a bit, but what are your thought about a 1966 mustang with a 200 inline 6 w/ a c4 trans, can still get these pretty right price wise, would be fun little car to drive, just my idea.

What size is that 1 barrel carb ?

Billy Nees 01-31-2022 06:53 PM

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You would have to find a "correct" carb and measure it! No Spec!

89bird 01-31-2022 07:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Glenn Briglio (Post 656584)
What size is that 1 barrel carb ?

That's a good question idk off hand I have to look

Billy Nees 01-31-2022 08:21 PM

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I don't know why there aren't more 289/225 HP combos out there! 207 (de)factored HP?

* Nice to see this thread again!

Mark Yacavone 01-31-2022 11:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 656600)
I don't know why there aren't more 289/225 HP combos out there! 207 (de)factored HP?

* Nice to see this thread again!

Ditto.
Okay I'll go ya one better..for the Jr Stock fans >
67 Falcon S/W, 289 /199 hp. 301 c.i. , 11.6 c/r... Q/Stock (No A ) and no heads up runs!

Jim Caughlin 02-01-2022 12:08 AM

Re: Dime Rocket Fantasy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 656600)
I don't know why there aren't more 289/225 HP combos out there! 207 (de)factored HP?

* Nice to see this thread again!

Way better combo is run it as a '64 289/210 derated to 191 HP.

Doug Hoven 02-01-2022 01:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 656594)
You would have to find a "correct" carb and measure it! No Spec!

Some quick research reveals that all autolite 1100 1 barrel carbs have a 1.4375 throttle blade, and depending on the year it could have either a 1.10 or 1.20 venturi, rated at a whopping 150 or 185 cfm, respectively. The issue is there is no clear info on which year got which carb. Max comp. ratio is calculated to be 11.5:1!

L.Fite 02-01-2022 02:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Hoven (Post 656636)
Some quick research reveals that all autolite 1100 1 barrel carbs have a 1.4375 throttle blade, and depending on the year it could have either a 1.10 or 1.20 venturi, rated at a whopping 150 or 185 cfm, respectively. The issue is there is no clear info on which year got which carb. Max comp. ratio is calculated to be 11.5:1!

Then run the big one!...

BigBlockBill 02-02-2022 09:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 656607)
Ditto.
Okay I'll go ya one better..for the Jr Stock fans >
67 Falcon S/W, 289 /199 hp. 301 c.i. , 11.6 c/r... Q/Stock (No A ) and no heads up runs!

I was looking at a '62 Impala wagon 327 300hp 4 spd. How fun would it be banging gears in a 60 year old chevy wagon!!!! They came with a 380hp 409 as well but I don't remember seeing it in the class guide.

Glenn Briglio 02-03-2022 07:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBlockBill (Post 656703)
I was looking at a '62 Impala wagon 327 300hp 4 spd. How fun would it be banging gears in a 60 year old chevy wagon!!!! They came with a 380hp 409 as well but I don't remember seeing it in the class guide.

Yes 283,327, and 409 in that year.

Billy Nees 02-03-2022 08:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBlockBill (Post 656703)
I was looking at a '62 Impala wagon 327 300hp 4 spd. How fun would it be banging gears in a 60 year old chevy wagon!!!! They came with a 380hp 409 as well but I don't remember seeing it in the class guide.

Cool car but it stopped being a "Dime Rocket" when it started being a collectable.

89bird 02-04-2022 08:19 AM

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[QUOTE=Glenn Briglio;656584]What size is that 1 barrel carb , smaller one

89bird 02-04-2022 08:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Hoven (Post 656636)
Some quick research reveals that all autolite 1100 1 barrel carbs have a 1.4375 throttle blade, and depending on the year it could have either a 1.10 or 1.20 venturi, rated at a whopping 150 or 185 cfm, respectively. The issue is there is no clear info on which year got which carb. Max comp. ratio is calculated to be 11.5:1!

So with running the larger of the 2 carbs what would you run for gear and convertor if you use a c4

Billy Nees 02-04-2022 09:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 89bird (Post 656757)
So with running the larger of the 2 carbs what would you run for gear and convertor if you use a c4

Ya know, when you take on a combo like this you can't just go out and buy a setup for it. You don't have anyone else who can just hand you this info because no one else is running it.
Do you have the car? engine?
If I were starting from scratch with this combo I would get a good, solid reman short block and head and a good c-4 and just get the car running with what I could scrounge up. See what is available from cam manufacturers and get something on the small side. Try and borrow a converter or "buddy-up" with a sympathetic converter manufacturer who will work with you and just put it in to see how the car reacts. Don't put too much gear in it.
What you're looking for is how and where this combo is going to make torque and HP. Once you have a rough idea of that, you can start to improve in the right direction.
If you think that you're going to just throw together the correct combo on the first try, especially when you're dealing with a one-off combo like this then you had better look at another combo.

Doug Hoven 02-04-2022 02:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 89bird (Post 656757)
So with running the larger of the 2 carbs what would you run for gear and convertor if you use a c4

If you're running an 8 inch rear, you're out of luck if you wanted to run more than a 4.11 gear. For reference, the 6 cylinder nova currently has a 4.88 gear even with the 26 inch slicks I'm running.

89bird 02-04-2022 03:59 PM

Re: Dime Rocket Fantasy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 656761)
Ya know, when you take on a combo like this you can't just go out and buy a setup for it. You don't have anyone else who can just hand you this info because no one else is running it.
Do you have the car? engine?
If I were starting from scratch with this combo I would get a good, solid reman short block and head and a good c-4 and just get the car running with what I could scrounge up. See what is available from cam manufacturers and get something on the small side. Try and borrow a converter or "buddy-up" with a sympathetic converter manufacturer who will work with you and just put it in to see how the car reacts. Don't put too much gear in it.
What you're looking for is how and where this combo is going to make torque and HP. Once you have a rough idea of that, you can start to improve in the right direction.
If you think that you're going to just throw together the correct combo on the first try, especially when you're dealing with a one-off combo like this then you had better look at another combo.

I agree I actually have a 66 mustang sitting here and was wondering on that comb after reading this thread, thank you for info and input

Billy Nees 02-04-2022 04:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 89bird (Post 656779)
I agree I actually have a 66 mustang sitting here and was wondering on that comb after reading this thread, thank you for info and input

I think that it would be a fun combo to do. I just don't think that it's something that you're going to be able to "throw" together.

89bird 02-05-2022 04:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 656781)
I think that it would be a fun combo to do. I just don't think that it's something that you're going to be able to "throw" together.

I agree totally it would take some trial and error with getting a combo to work right

Rory McNeil 02-05-2022 10:44 AM

Re: Dime Rocket Fantasy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Hoven (Post 656773)
If you're running an 8 inch rear, you're out of luck if you wanted to run more than a 4.11 gear. For reference, the 6 cylinder nova currently has a 4.88 gear even with the 26 inch slicks I'm running.

I don`t know if they are still available, but 4.62 was a common ratio for the Ford 8". That said, the selection of ratios for the 8.8 is much better, but not nearly as good as the choices for a 9".

Jeff Stout 02-05-2022 01:00 PM

Re: Dime Rocket Fantasy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Hoven (Post 656773)
If you're running an 8 inch rear, you're out of luck if you wanted to run more than a 4.11 gear. For reference, the 6 cylinder nova currently has a 4.88 gear even with the 26 inch slicks I'm running.

Curious if you tried 28 or 30 tall slicks. If so any gains or loss in Et?
I'm tempted on buying shorter to try.

Doug Hoven 02-05-2022 03:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout (Post 656807)
Curious if you tried 28 or 30 tall slicks. If so any gains or loss in Et?
I'm tempted on buying shorter to try.

I have not. I know Billy used to run a 28 on the other 6 cylinder nova on and off years ago. I did try some 26 radials, but they actually slowed the car down a touch due to the weight. The Goodyears I am running are 5 pounds lighter than any other 26 inch slick I could find, and the car has been very happy with them so far. I may try a 30 radial some day, but I wouldn't do it without changing the rear gear too.

Billy Nees 02-05-2022 06:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout (Post 656807)
Curious if you tried 28 or 30 tall slicks. If so any gains or loss in Et?
I'm tempted on buying shorter to try.

Where is your combo going through the traps at now? Where does it peak?

Jeff Stout 02-05-2022 07:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 656817)
Where is your combo going through the traps at now? Where does it peak?

6.14 gear and 30 tire I ran out of motor. Changed to 5.83 and just runs out at finishing at 6700. My thought was 5.38 and short tire.


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