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I can't quite tell what argument you are trying to make with that statistic, but we're talking about 42,500 in what, 6 weeks compared to a full year of common flu?

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First case in California = Feb 3

As I recall: The flu is pretty seasonal and it just starting.
Some years it runs 80,000 plus.

I am being careful because of multiple health issues (Cancer/Diabetes/
Age) but not particularly frightened. At my age I do not know how much time
I have left (Does Anybody?) and I do not intent to spend it in my home!

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Jeez Lenny, don't interject reality into the equation after all some of us are challenged by simple math, LOL!

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But isn't the flu death count from ALL of last year, while the Covid-19 count if from a little over ONE month? Not quite apples to apples.

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This was on our local news.

Ohio man who disparaged lockdown measures on Facebook dies of coronavirus
His alleged posts have gone viral amid protests and debates about the loosening of social distancing measures across the country.
April 22, 2020, 4:57 PM EDT
By Doha Madani
Social media posts of an Ohio man who disparaged coronavirus lockdown measures are now circulating online after he died of COVID-19, the disease associated with coronavirus.

Screenshots of Facebook posts calling social distancing measures “bull****” have surfaced online just days after John W. McDaniel, 60, died of coronavirus on April 15. One screenshot of a post dated March 13 included an accusation that the virus was a “political ploy.”

“If you’re paranoid about getting sick, just don’t go out,” another post said. “It shouldn’t keep those of us from Living Our Lives. The Madness has to stop.”

The posts have gone viral, even getting the attention of British broadcaster Piers Morgan.

“Let his death be a warning to everyone else who wants to be ‘living our lives’ & ignore lockdowns - it may END your life,” Morgan tweeted Tuesday.


Be careful of your words. This was his post. "Does anybody have the guts to say this Covid19 is a political ploy? Asking for a friend. Prove me wrong."
~ John W. McDaniel, from Marion County in Ohio

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Ohio man who disparaged lockdown measures on Facebook dies of coronavirus

Better watch out.. big brother will get you..

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Umm, between 2/01/20 and 4/18/20 23,358 have died of covid-19 and 5,530 have died of the flu.
cdc.gov/nchs

Look it up yourself.

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This is one sharp Lady!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c47KVyz0Gsg

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Billy, that link doesn’t work for me...maybe take a look

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It just worked for me but I wouldn't doubt that I did something wrong. I tried to copy it from my e-mail box.

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All I hear is people quoting the death count as being lower than the flu. What many don't consider is what the covid-19 death count would be if there were no lockdown procedures in place.

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Therein the issue, others don’t have access to your inbox. Perhaps find the URL source and link that.

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Try the one that I just put up!

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Jeff, I am not trying to start an argument with anyone however, I would not believe anything that comes from Facebook.
I do not have Facebook and will never have it either.
Facebook has more fake news than all the other news outlets combined.
Facebook reminds me of a bunch of Jr. High School girls gossiping and posting things about themselves and others which makes them feel better about themselves at others expense.
Facebook's founder and CEO is the biggest con man alive today. He also has his own agenda on a platform he claims to be neutral.
Yeah, right.
Facebook is big business and the users are being used for profit and most do not even realize it.
Like the thread states this is just my thoughts.
Rant Over
Rick Cates
Canyon, TX

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As far as the trade deal that was mentioned goes, our USDA smart ones have decided to let the chi coms export fresh citrus into this country. The story is in the latest "Citrus Industry News" that came today. Florida's citrus industry has been decimated by little aphids that came from over there. John Kissel

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I just wanna race...

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I agree Rick . How you been ? This came from WBNS our CBS affiliate. Of course his post was from Facebook. The original WBNS article had screenshots of his post, but CR will not let me post them for some reason . But your right, it might be just bogas,.. On the flip side Snopes says its true ..

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/co...ie-from-covid/

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I work for the McDaniel family at their GM Dealership in Marion, Ohio. John was the cousin of our owner. He ran his own business out of an office in our Dealership. He had some previous serious health issues in the past. Shortly after he contracted the virus they closed both Dealerships. It's really a very unfortunate situation. We also have our prison with the most cases in Ohio, so far 1 guard and 2 prisoners have passed away. A lot of bad national press for our small town.

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Very tough times. Sorry to hear about Marion Ohio Jerry.

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The Governor of Illinois just extended the Quarantine there until the end of May.
Doesn't sound good for the Joliet June Lucas Divisional or the July National event.

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Hi Jeff, it seems to be a sad situation as anyone losing their life from the virus is a tragedy.
I just do not trust anything from Facebook.
My grown kids and their spouses have Facebook and I get to hear about all the junk there plus the wife has it to see pictures of the grandkids as they get posted also.
I also question snopes sometimes as I did catch them totally incorrect about one item I searched some years ago. That was only one of many times I used snopes.
The wife and I did get to go racing out west in late February before the lockdown and sure glad we did do that since it may be a long time until we get to go again.
Just staying home now due to our age being high risk.
Jeff stay safe and hope we all get to race again sometime soon.
Rick Cates
Canyon, TX

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Here is what it comes down to:

I believe there will be no racing in 2020 and that we should all be staying home and avoiding crowds until this is over.

I could be right. I could be wrong.

Others believe COVID-19 is not real, or that it has been hyped beyond reality. They think we should get back to normal as quickly as possible.

They could be right. They could be wrong.

The difference is that if I am wrong, I have needlessly missed out on going to drag races and other events.

If they are wrong, they could infect themselves, their families, and friends. They or their family members could die.

If you are going to be wrong, which way would you rather be wrong?

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If the virus doesn't kill you,then poverty will.Pick your poison.

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It is not an either-or situation.

If you are out of work and are not getting unemployment, grocery stores, and other essential businesses can't hire enough people. In addition, more than 11 million people in this country were living under the poverty line before COVID-19.

If you are facing poverty, there are jobs available. It's your choice.

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Yea,okay.Check back in about a year and we will see how this worked out for ya.

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What about all the small business owners with mortgages, credit lines, fleet payments, etc.? What words of wisdom do you have for them?

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These “orders” — stay at home, close your business, don’t run in the park, don’t go to Mass, practice social distancing — are not laws that can carry a criminal penalty for violation. They are guidelines, without the force of law. A governor or mayor can no more craft law and assign a punishment for its noncompliance than the courts could command the military or police.

Even if legislative bodies did order churches and businesses closed, and governors and mayors were just enforcing those laws, the laws would be profoundly unconstitutional. The Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment firmly establishes freedom of religion as a fundamental liberty, and the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment firmly establishes your right to purchase a lawful product in interstate commerce from a willing seller as fundamental.

Fundamental liberties are in the highest category of liberty, akin to freedom of conscience and speech and press and privacy and travel.

Let’s say you are at a big-box store looking for groceries and other items. The government cannot constitutionally limit your choices to food and paper towels if you prefer to buy grass seed and a garden hose. These are intimate personal decisions. You need not explain or justify them to the government and you don’t need a government permission slip to exercise your free will and make those choices.

Until now.

Now, we have become a nation of sheep. We have elected officials with constitutionally assigned duties — and constitutionally imposed limitations — who have assumed to themselves dictatorial powers and have falsely claimed that they can interfere with our personal choices. Who are the governors to decide which human activities are essential? Abortion is essential but Mass is not? No constitution gave them that power.

There are two schools of thought on the impairment of fundamental liberties. One requires strict scrutiny and the other requires due process. The strict scrutiny standard mandates the existence of a compelling state interest addressed by the least restrictive means. The procedural due process standard mandates a trial at which the state must prove fault or guilt. The substantive due process standard puts certain personal decisions beyond governmental reach.

Closing churches meets no constitutional standard. There is no question that fighting a pandemic is a compelling state interest, yet there are far less restrictive ways to address it than preventing worship. Wearing masks and gloves, staying 10 feet apart, holding Mass outdoors, even taking a personal risk and then self-quarantining are far less restrictive and constitutionally offensive than closing churches.

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio violated his oath to uphold the Constitution when he threatened to use force to close permanently all houses of worship that defied his guidelines. And a small-town police department in northern New Jersey exquisitely violated the constitutional rights of Catholics — while enforcing the ever-changing whims of Gov. Phil Murphy. The police claimed they were following the governor’s orders when they barred a priest on Palm Sunday from distributing palms in sealed plastic bags while he and each parishioner wore masks and gloves and were six feet apart in the fresh outdoors.

Enough is enough.

The employment of government power to assault personal liberty and cut constitutional corners is never justified in a free society, no matter the exigency. The Constitution protects our rights in good times and in bad. Those in power who steal freedom are unworthy of office. But don’t expect them to give us our freedoms back. We will need to pry it away from their cold and covetous hand

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Go open up your business. Get infected. Infect your family and co-workers. Go out of business because your customers stay home.

The government can give the OK for you to open. They can't force customers to come to you.

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My wife and I will probably be just fine. Let's wait and see what happens in Georgia in a month of so.

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Yes, it is a choice. And, as I said, I might be wrong. But if I am wrong, the worst that will have happened to me is that I miss some event.

On the other hand, you could be dead right.

Do you want to take the chance with you and your family?

Is going to a drag race worth infecting one of them?

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Jim This Frace is no different than the flu every year ?we always take precautions of course . The only difference is that the Government now wants To control You Which is not right

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It's a lot different than the flu. Try reading medical and healthcare information.

Like I said, one of us is wrong. Do you want to take the chance for yourself and your family?

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You do realize that there is no cure and there may not ever be a cure if you get it?

Are you going to not leave your house for the rest of your life? At exactly what point are you going to feel safe?

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How do ya'll Trumpsters reconcile the hoax/farce thing and the president criticizing the governor of Georgia for reopening too soon? Also, I wouldn't inject Lysol or bleach anytime soon. However, if you're feeling ill you can always lie under a real bright light. It might help... pffttttttt


pS

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To get back on point, and I'm guessing just like everybody else. But NHRA is not the rich ones. Major League Baseball and others will be the canary in the coal mine. IMO. If they fill the stands, so will other organizations. And since everyone will have to be six feet apart and wearing mask, just how many spectators will even go? How many people can you get in there all spread out like that? Imagine a six foot circumference social distance around everyone seated in the stands. Talk about a sparse crowd ! Sounds like a real good way to loose money to me. Can they make enough money just off of TV rights to make it worth while?
I can see them getting points races in, kind of. From what I've seen and the rumor mill, it wont be much fun going. Not being able to mingle around and talk to people. Pit spots 25 feet apart, time tickets on your phones, no gathering at the starting line. Staggered staging lanes, not pulling you from the ready line till the cars spotters/linemen in front of you clears the area. And how do they do fuel check, skip it? How about tech, come to your trailer? To me, all this sounds horrible. Plus it's a risk if your 60 and up or have ANY kind of health issues.. And ****loads of points racers (especially us old class racers) are and do . How many will just stay home and wait for better times. Lots of questions here.

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I do not appreciate the rude political posts
in this particular section of Class Racer!
I understand the strong diverse options
we all hold and I respect them....Nevertheless!

This is not Yellow Bullet or the Class Racer Lounge.

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Interesting. I wasn't actually talking about myself.

But, since you are so concerned I will share my situation. My business is deemed "essential" by the powers that be. Among other things, we support hospitals, prisons, manufacturers, and others that have to stay open. I only have a few employees, so it has been pretty easy to keep them working at different locations or working from home. My wife works in the local hospital, so I feel it is my personal responsibility to stay away from people. I only go to my office when there is no option. We practice social distancing and keep everything wiped down.

There are a couple of problems with this. First, I feel that the government can only make recommendations. Second, if they do make a recommendation and a company goes against it, that company is opening itself to lawsuits.

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Don,
Lets follow your example that business can not be forced to close. Can they be forced to open?

OK, lets use Florida as an example and the Governor says OK to outdoor events. What can he do if the insurance company tells NHRA no Gator National at this time?

Stan

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Probably the same way ya’ll libs do after Biden grabs and kisses another under age child. .......

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Yes, I do realize that. But there may also be a vaccine within the next year or so. We don't know.

I am going to wait and see what happens.

There is a difference between going out of my house and going to crowded places and large crowds.

What is your thought process? Are you thinking that because there is no vaccine right now, why bother waiting?

Again, I may be wrong or you may be wrong.

If you make the wrong choice and infect yourself and your family will you be OK with it?

Would you rather choose to be safe or risk it for a drag race?