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A common theme within this thread is the fact that a promoter’s first race has received the most support. If the experience taken from those inaugural events was overwhelmingly positive, why did numbers dwindle in subsequent years? One would have hoped that attendees had a good news story to share with those who missed out, that they would have been successful in convincing other racers to join them the next time? There is no simple answer…every one of Tim’s reasons for a pass are valid if we’re playing a drag racing version of Jeopardy - “Event Cop-Outs for $$$$”.
One thing stands out for me. Our group seems to have become increasingly critical of the administrative side of the NHRA over the years, especially where it has “messed” with the performance based roots of the category. Many of us have called for a return to some of the structural attributes of the past. It would be interesting, if nothing else, to look at something “old” as a format for a future race. Go back in time and revive some of the aspects of Stock/SuperStock competition that have fallen off the table….perhaps hold a smaller scale event as a dry run? |
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Timothy nailed it, WAY too many excuses. It is really sad that these races are not attended greatly with how hard they are trying. We have NHRA who seems to be pushing us all away and we just beg more to get in while these promoters are sticking their necks out trying to give us another option and putting BIG money up for grabs. Tyler's Class Racers Revival 2 years ago was one of the best put on shows out there. It had pretty much everything anyone was asking for. Weather was great. He had a CIC race. $25K to win plus some decent round $$. $25K to win with the same entry as a National event to win $1500 from NHRA. $6K if you play the contingency program perfectly. Well he is doing it again at one of the best facilities in the nation. August 4-6. Hopefully we can support this one a little better!!
Up here in Minnesota and surrounding states we have the MCR races and a really good group of people putting these races on. We try to attend as many as we can. It gives us another option anyways. They are working on getting more and more payouts out and at least giving us a few races where there are $4-5K payouts! And they do this with giving out first round win $$ as well. It would be nice at all of these events to have more of a tech for the people who are still trying to play by the rules but I realize that is a lot to ask for! NHRA really can't even do much of that. I feel old saying it but I remember when I used to worry about having to spend an afternoon putting my car back together after getting tore down. Hopefully we can figure something else out to get more people to go to these races so NHRA isn't the only thing out there for us diehard S/SS racers!! |
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My answer is simple..... I love to race especially class racing... I love to race enough that I don't care if it's hot,cold,windy,rain,we can't race ,but nothing we can but wait that out....
I don't care if we race early in the morning,late at night or all night long or in the afternoon,dark,sunny,cloudy,I don't care..... LETS RACE...... If someone wants to pay a bunch of money even better,because I never have had enough $$$ .... IF ANYONE IS PAYING BIG MONEY CLASS RACING and anyway possible I will be there.... Mike Taylor 3601 PS.. if all you do is complain about everything that happens at a race,most out anyones control....maybe you don't really love to race |
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Mike, that was a very refreshing post. Now that we have heard that, let's
get back on track. Not attending race's, or striking, is not going to accomplish anything of value to the racers. Helpful measures to enhance the races for us, NHRA and the track operators will. I will leave the purse structure alone for now, as it appears we would race for less, if need be. Our main complaint appears to be the consistent lowering of quotas for National Events. Lets suggest we understand why they continue to go down, be it the size of our rigs, NHRA looking for new and different classes, or trying to enhance their paying customers experience. That is their prerogative, and if we think we are going to interfere with that, we are delusional. Everybody talks about their costs, what about ours. Lets start with the the point system. Lets make it the best two out of four National events, and the best five out of seven points meets. Next, lets us have serious talks with our Division Reps, and have them have a heart to heart with the Competition Director At NHRA, and see what we can do to grow our quotas. There are many more ideas out there, lets pursue them all, including charging us 25.00 more per race because we want tech inspection that no other classes require, and get some answers to our age old problems. Regardless of whether we like the answers or not, when we have have them, lets quit trying to commit homicide on others and suicide on ourselves, and get the hell out there and race, thats all, just race. J.R. |
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In 40+ years of racing, I've NEVER attended, or not attended, a race for the payout. 100 percent of the time, I don't have a clue as to how much the payout is at a race. LOL
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I prefer less than a 6-hour drive. Throw in some index (10.00) classes, and I'll bring both cars. LOL! See you at the races.
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There are many more ideas out there, lets pursue them all, including charging us 25.00 more per race because we want tech inspection that no other classes require.
Sorry Billy if I was off base. I was thinking of tear downs, checking camshafts, etc. I thought S/SS was the only one in need of these services. J.R. |
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Buddy, I could be married to you. And, I'd never think about how much I'm racing for. |
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You would if that freshen up job depended on it ! And that's why this sport ran us under the table. We belonged in Super Street but had a Super Stock appetite.. |
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As most of you know I do the "Live" from reports but I'm trying hard not to be biased about this subject. I too missed the second year because of circumstances out of my control so I can understand that everyone is not going to be able to make every damn race but I was so effing disappointed in the Stock/SS community this past year. When I rolled into Numidia for the race a little late on Friday I couldn't believe my eyes. The vacant pits said it all, unbelievable that these people put on this race with the great giveaways and prizes and the money in purse and people don't show!
I hate it that Ken has come to this conclusion but I damn sure can't blame him I mean why would he and Tim keep trying to do something for the racers? It's a shame I loved the event, my wife and kids had a great time he'll we even planned a vacation around the race this year. It was a great event, well planned and thought out with the racers in mind but it just didn't check off all the boxes off on Timbo's list as he so graciously listed them for you guys. NHRA racers are like a bunch of crackheads and the "Wally" is the dope! Just like drug addicts you can't help them if they don't want help getting off the ****! Ken and Tim I appreciate everything you guys did trying to put on this event. As a side note I realize there's only so many weekends that some people can race I'm guilty of it too when it comes to association races the CCRA puts on. I've missed some of those so I would have time to go to a NHRA event so I'm guilty too. You crackheads carry on...... |
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Phil, I've seen them look for electronic devices on S/T, S/G, S/C cars.
A lot of the S/SS racers were talking about the lack of tech on their style of cars, so I suggested we could pay for it to get it to the level that would appease everyone. J.R. |
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I don't post a whole lot, I've been class racing for 16 years and I'm having a blast with my all home built 2bbl Comet, I bracket race every weekend Bremerton since the 80s 1/8th mile, they let us run double classes with 1st round loss buy backs, possible winnings for every weekend $3500 plus they a $1000 shootout 3x a season..added bonus they do 1 footbrake weekend race with buybacks $15k each day $30k for the weekend..plus 1/4 options at Pacific, woodburn and Yakima..
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20 cars ,Saturday, 16 Sunday...Trophies, package awards, cash on the barrel head...Good , tight racing...and that's all we can get for a turnout? Pathetic, in my opinion.. I talked to the Hawk Brothers before they did their first race. I told them AZ would be an uphill battle all the way. You'll get your 12-13 dedicated supporters, your few who can make some of the races, and some who you'll never see. Okay, so let's set aside AZ racers for a moment. Tucson is not real close to much of anything else. SoCal about 400 mi. Vegas? About the same. But here's the thing..There will be 150 or so S/SS cars a hundred miles up the road by tomorrow. So, if they want to put all their eggs in one basket, in pursuit of the Wally, all well and good. But if NHRA Sportsman ever goes away, some of these independent races won't be around. I can tell you that for a fact. |
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a track, do you think the tock racers in california could get a combo or series at bakersfieild?
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The best bet is a timely race at St. Louis before or after Indy. Don’t bother going to Earlville after Indy it’s a skating rink.
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We would try to attend all out West!
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Granted the groove at Earlville is more narrow than at some other tracks and I won't speak for the 100+ Stk/SS racers that routinely attend Midwest Class Racer events 2-3 times are year at Tri-State Raceway, but most of us have figured out how to make our cars work at this track. Now I don't know him, but Tim McAmis doesn't live too far from the track. He has already created his Chassis Master App, but I'd be happy to call him and see if he would come and do a tutorial for anyone needing some help hooking up. https://youtu.be/a6fGpTlaNZY |
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Dad and I would build the neighborhood ice rink in our backyard. Some times we would be skating on it before thanksgiving. We had a flood light on each end and chicken wire over the windows. My dad would repair the broken sticks, the blade. Dad would sharpen skates for all that came over to play. Spent a lot of money on friction tape. My idol was Gordy Howe and the NHL had six teams, Detroit, Chicago, Boston, New York, Toronto and the Canadians. I’m no expert on skating rinks but have been around them enough to have an educated opinion.
I payed my way through school playing basketball. Racing gives me a place to still be competitive. Bottom line is we will support races if and when we can. For me Top Stock was great fun. Patsy really enjoyed the video almost laughed enough to have tears in her eyes. |
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I think if it were NHRA backed like the Sportsnationals are is what it really takes. We need that validation apparently. I think
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Fletcher's comments are right. Everything else said afterwards is the same old same old. The same % 0f bracket racers complain and make up excuses just as Stk/S/S racers do. Bracket racers have a bigger pool of racers to pull from and can survive if the complainers stay home. You guys can't do that. At least that's the way it appears.
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Just need one in D4 and we'll be there...Wally or not.
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