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Mark Lewis 03-09-2024 08:44 AM

Re: combo killers
 
Some just don't get it

Larry Hill 03-09-2024 10:18 AM

Re: combo killers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 694470)
4. Build a combo which fits into a class that doesn't have dozens of cars in it and own it

I have a few of them, a white one, a red one, a red and white one, and a pink one.

Race Clean 03-09-2024 12:19 PM

Re: combo killers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Lewis (Post 694781)
Some just don't get it


By that you mean that Drag Racing is not about going fast? (anymore):D

Stan Weiss 03-09-2024 12:44 PM

Re: combo killers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Lewis (Post 694781)
Some just don't get it


That is True. But you might be surprised by who some of us think that is.


Stan

1347 03-09-2024 12:51 PM

Re: combo killers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Race Clean (Post 694788)
By that you mean that Drag Racing is not about going fast? (anymore):D

For some it's about going fast when needed.

Trying for Q1 for the bye
Heads up races
class
or move on the ladder.
I don't know of any reason to go fast on redlights and byes other than bragging rights. And I am not sure who you are bragging to,
certainly not appreciated by the other guys who run the same combo as you.

Barry Polley 03-09-2024 02:07 PM

Re: combo killers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1347 (Post 694790)
For some it's about going fast when needed.

Trying for Q1 for the bye
Heads up races
class
or move on the ladder.
I don't know of any reason to go fast on redlights and byes other than bragging rights. And I am not sure who you are bragging to,
certainly not appreciated by the other guys who run the same combo as you.

We’ve seen this many times. Comp, SS and S.
Some drivers are alert and see everything… others? Not so much.

herbjr 03-11-2024 07:22 PM

Re: combo killers
 
so you're telling me there's 25 cars with this combo out there? If that's the case you guys bitching about one car really can't do math worth a ****. if 25 guys go 80 under 3x that 240 passes at 80 under do you really think his runs will put you over to get horsepower, and that's not counting the runs that will be 66, 70 or 75 under. Both 396 combo's have plenty of cars who run 65 to 80 under to keep the average down. It's not like there are only 3,4 in the country doing it.

GTS340 03-11-2024 08:34 PM

Re: combo killers
 
The 25 possible twins would need to be in E/SA to help Terry with the combo too..

Paul Haszlauer

Lenny5160_v2 03-11-2024 08:36 PM

Re: combo killers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by herbjr (Post 694894)
so you're telling me there's 25 cars with this combo out there? If that's the case you guys bitching about one car really can't do math worth a ****. if 25 guys go 80 under 3x that 240 passes at 80 under do you really think his runs will put you over to get horsepower, and that's not counting the runs that will be 66, 70 or 75 under. Both 396 combo's have plenty of cars who run 65 to 80 under to keep the average down. It's not like there are only 3,4 in the country doing it.

Are you attacking the math skills of others while telling us that 25 x 3 = 240?

west coast 03-11-2024 10:42 PM

Re: combo killers
 
Here is my advice to everyone go read the AHFS because there are alot of you posting here that don't know how it works that think they do.

GTS340 03-12-2024 07:53 PM

Re: combo killers
 
I have wide shoulders, I can say I'm wrong. Must be the part I'm missing for sure. It does say all the combo's runs in all classes count towards the trigger. So all runs with that combo, no matter what class, makes the average? Learn something new every day is a good thing.

Paul

JP1738 03-13-2024 10:30 AM

Re: combo killers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GTS340 (Post 694938)
I have wide shoulders, I can say I'm wrong. Must be the part I'm missing for sure. It does say all the combo's runs in all classes count towards the trigger. So all runs with that combo, no matter what class, makes the average? Learn something new every day is a good thing.

Paul

yes and no. Only runs .65 or further under count towards the average. In my case, I can't go fast enough to bring the average down for my combo, which is unbelievably counterintuitive.

Lyn Smith 03-17-2024 03:17 PM

Re: combo killers
 
Why not a personal index for those who have damaged the horsepower on a certain comb. They could go as fast as they want, were they want and not have others suffer the consequences? It works in Comp.

Adger Smith 03-17-2024 05:22 PM

Re: combo killers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyn Smith (Post 695078)
Why not a personal index for those who have damaged the horsepower on a certain comb. They could go as fast as they want, were they want and not have others suffer the consequences? It works in Comp.

Where is the unlike button?

JOE ZOOM 03-17-2024 07:32 PM

Re: combo killers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyn Smith (Post 695078)
Why not a personal index for those who have damaged the horsepower on a certain comb. They could go as fast as they want, were they want and not have others suffer the consequences? It works in Comp.

Sounds like a common sense solution!

J.R. Haddad 03-17-2024 08:47 PM

Re: combo killers
 
Guys and gals, a lot of merit for people that think outside the box. One
question I had was for heads up runs. IE, Lyn and I both have '73 Centurys
and he goes -1.30 under, and I don't. Now I can go -1.20 under, and I want to beat him in the final of a national event. it's a heads up race, so where
is Lynn's penalty. I want it to be heads up. So I think it might make more
sense to penalize Lyn the horsepower he got, lets say 10 H.P. and carry
on. So instead of 1200 Stock Racers all having their own personal index,
the affected Combo Killer might have a higher HP factor. So Lynn might be at 285 HP x 12:00 ibs. and the rest of us with the same combo would be
274 HP. So Lynn would weigh 3590 and the rest of us would weigh
3458.

J.R.

Mike Gray 03-17-2024 11:49 PM

Re: combo killers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad (Post 695091)
Guys and gals, a lot of merit for people that think outside the box. One
question I had was for heads up runs. IE, Lyn and I both have '73 Centurys
and he goes -1.30 under, and I don't. Now I can go -1.20 under, and I want to beat him in the final of a national event. it's a heads up race, so where
is Lynn's penalty. I want it to be heads up. So I think it might make more
sense to penalize Lyn the horsepower he got, lets say 10 H.P. and carry
on. So instead of 1200 Stock Racers all having their own personal index,
the affected Combo Killer might have a higher HP factor. So Lynn might be at 285 HP x 12:00 ibs. and the rest of us with the same combo would be
274 HP. So Lynn would weigh 3590 and the rest of us would weigh
3458.

J.R.

I have to disagree, this would just ruin stock and super stock. Might as well just go bracket or .90 racing. Wait I already did that.

Mark Yacavone 03-18-2024 01:05 AM

Re: combo killers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad (Post 695091)
Guys and gals, a lot of merit for people that think outside the box. One
question I had was for heads up runs. IE, Lyn and I both have '73 Centurys
and he goes -1.30 under, and I don't. Now I can go -1.20 under, and I want to beat him in the final of a national event. it's a heads up race, so where
is Lynn's penalty. I want it to be heads up. So I think it might make more
sense to penalize Lyn the horsepower he got, lets say 10 H.P. and carry
on. So instead of 1200 Stock Racers all having their own personal index,
the affected Combo Killer might have a higher HP factor. So Lynn might be at 285 HP x 12:00 ibs. and the rest of us with the same combo would be
274 HP. So Lynn would weigh 3590 and the rest of us would weigh
3458.

J.R.

J.R. , You've been here long enough to know the solution...
If Lyn can go that fast, then you can too.. You just need to work harder, and spend more money...Lot and lots more money. ;-)

J.R. Haddad 03-18-2024 10:30 AM

Re: combo killers
 
Mark, I agree. I dislike both ideas. I was trying to show why we couldn't
have personal indexes as they have in Comp because we would lose
heads up runs. We never know who reads these posts, and some
keener might run back to the office, looking for brownie points, and
burst in the office saying" Look what I came up with". If it's a bad day,
and their boss likes it, we could be in trouble. I merely try to present
the better way to go in a bad scenario. Remember, making it equal and
easier for everyone is how we got the index system.

J.R.

James Perrone 03-18-2024 01:12 PM

Re: combo killers
 
If you slo pokes would run the right class
YOU WONT GET HP.
STOP with personal index
This is what Nhra wants HP to be given
Players play the game …losers complain

James Hensler 03-18-2024 01:47 PM

Re: combo killers
 
I love reading all of this! Everyone sounds like my fellow SS A/H racers! All mad about 1 guy dominating! If he can you can bottom line!

Dan Bennett 03-18-2024 02:20 PM

Re: combo killers
 
Probably an unpopular opinion and I have no skin in the game other than loving stock and super stock since the first race I ever attended back in the 60s.

The NHRA has successfully run a scam that turned a performance class into a bracket class. So many here want to be able to win races solely with shoe polish instead of just being the fastest car at the track.


I'll admit my viewpoint is probably concentrated in those of a certain age - where going to one of the few nationals on the schedule had me standing in awe looking at a car with 'national record holder" painted on - and even more so when there was a string of years listed. No, it didn't matter what class it was. It was motivation for me to recognize the skills involved and to work that much harder to get closer to that status.

I also admit that the horse left the barn a long time ago and I understand playing the cards you're dealt. But sorry, I will always admire the racer who does what ever they can to be the best and then maximizes their investment and enjoys that every pass down the track.

Lots of guys here in the past have mentioned participation trophies with disgust. Somehow this whole thing of "they have more money than me" and "I don't have a chance to win" seems a lot like that process.

Billy Nees 03-18-2024 03:51 PM

Re: combo killers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Bennett (Post 695117)
Probably an unpopular opinion and I have no skin in the game other than loving stock and super stock since the first race I ever attended back in the 60s.

The NHRA has successfully run a scam that turned a performance class into a bracket class. So many here want to be able to win races solely with shoe polish instead of just being the fastest car at the track.


I'll admit my viewpoint is probably concentrated in those of a certain age - where going to one of the few nationals on the schedule had me standing in awe looking at a car with 'national record holder" painted on - and even more so when there was a string of years listed. No, it didn't matter what class it was. It was motivation for me to recognize the skills involved and to work that much harder to get closer to that status.

I will always admire the racer who does what ever they can to be the best and then maximizes their investment and enjoys that every pass down the track.

Somehow this whole thing of "they have more money than me" and "I don't have a chance to win" seems a lot like that process.


4. Build a combo which fits into a class that doesn't have dozens of cars in it and own it!

Pauley 03-20-2024 05:43 PM

Re: combo killers
 
Kind of reminds me of why you dont see street roadsters in comp anymore thanks to vinnie barone and arnie martel.

This read has been informative. I see both sides since it doesn’t effect me.

ep

Barry Polley 03-22-2024 01:01 AM

Re: combo killers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by James Perrone (Post 695113)
If you slo pokes would run the right class
YOU WONT GET HP.
STOP with personal index
This is what Nhra wants HP to be given
Players play the game …losers complain

Race it like you stole it!

TERRY HEMBREE 08-06-2024 04:56 PM

Re: combo killers
 
Here is the averages info for cars running the 325/396. Just got them from Pat C.

OA- .0828 21 triggers 178 runs
D- .778 0 triggers 74 runs
E-.865 21 triggers 98 runs
F-.842 0 triggers 6 runs

littlemanjoe 08-06-2024 08:02 PM

Re: combo killers
 
If I had a 396 I would let it all hang out and show what it's got.

But I drive a Mopar so I'm already overrated on horsepower.

Just pulling chains.Lol........;)

Mike
A/SA


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