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http://http://myweb.midco.net/77cruiser/100_0554.jpgCouple of pics , I should have taken some before I put them on.

http://myweb.midco.net/77cruiser/100_0554.jpg

http://http://myweb.midco.net/77cruiser/100_0554.jpg

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Here is the bolt added for strength so the weld would not be a butt weld.
http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...wood/mount.jpg

Also this week I was able to get fuel cell mounted. It wasnt legal for dirt track car so I used it here and mounted pump and lines. All this stuff was on shelf from other race car.
http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...ywood/fuel.jpg

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My 307/138 engine with 87k for miles

http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...wood/motor.jpg

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Bought a brand new set of thinner wall .980 wrist pins $67.00. New inline fuel filter $24.00. Heads are being surfaced and were .009 warped. When taking motor apart this head had 1 head bolt broke. The actual hex head of bolt was broke off and sitting in bottom of head by oil return passage. Found the right thickness head gasket with small bore and bought 2 sets $56.00. New total $3484

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Jeff, I really appreciate the effort you are doing to document your costs as you go. At the end of the project, it will be a great resource for anyone considering a budget build. Thank you for sharing and working so diligently.

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Thank you for the kind words. I know this is not the state of the art build and it is not the best pieces money can buy. But I feel I can run 7-8 under and be bracket race competitive. Just think no roll bar to climb over, full soft bench seat, room for all your friends and might get as much attention in staging lanes as a FX car. LOL

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I have built budget cars that took a lot of thinking and expensive cars that took a lot of money. The ones that were the most fun were those I did like yours.

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Made a mistake today on guessing how much to cut from head to get chamber down to proper CC. Way to far to get back to spec. Had to buy a used head for 60.00 and received cam bearings today 11.50 New total $3555.50

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Jeff,

I usually takes about 0.005" ~ 0.006" of deck surface removal per CC of combustion-chamber volume for an Oldsmobile cylinder head.
However, this is a guideline and you need to constantly check it.

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Jeff -
If you have a burette available, PM me and I will show you an easy way to get real close on the CC volume on one cut.

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All the new NHRA phony baloney valve job all done, already?

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https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...act=mrc&uact=8
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I went with the .005 per 1 CC and what I ended up with after being to small was .003 per 1 CC. I mistakenly just went for it and didn't check between cuts and ended up 6 cc's to small. So instead of cutting valves seats deeper and try and get back the 6 cc's ( which I doubt I could)I just bought a head. The second head was brought down the right amount and checked during cutting and the .003 per 1 cc worked on this head. Tomorrow the third head will be checked and should be ok. With this being my first time building instead of paying I learned a great lesson.

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After sitting home tonight thinking about it I'm guessing if I had 2 different thickness head gaskets and the same bore I could have determined how much the 2 were in cc's and used that for a better gauge. Yes No maybe?

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LOL awwwwww

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But what about your piston to valve..................

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Cam has not been made and shipped yet. Ive heard from 2 others that valves wont need to be sunk to make piston to valve fit.

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Correct, the Oldsmobile cylinder head is an inline design with a 6 degree valve angle. Completely different to a Chevy head with a 23 degree valve angle.

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Sounds like it will be the "Wheeler dealer Wagon" Good Luck, I'll keep following your progress.

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Great name for this project as I have been trading, ebaying, swap meeting parts for this project. Just bought complete new front steering components and a-arm bushings as the originals are shot $111.00. The third head was warped .020 and was not worth cutting as I was sure it would be to small after CC'ing. Fourth head was only .004 warped and after clean up it cc'd correct. Total $3666.50

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Jeff, what if you look into some different valves for the head that is to small? There are different valves that have a relief machined into the face of the valve, this might help slightly, not 6cc's but some. Just a thought. Like the project and good luck with the "Wheeler Dealer".

Robert

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Your right about the valves helping some. After the 4th head I'm good now with 2 good heads that cc well. Now I have so many 7A heads available to me from craigslist and also a cylinder head shop I'm good for along time. I didn't wait for 1 guy to text me back and he had 4 heads for $50 but I had already bought 2 more so I passed on them. The cylinder head shop had 10 pairs sitting on shelf still. Today is finishing valve seat cutting and checking crank before balancing

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Jeff,
Which harmonic balancer will you be using?
If you are keeping the OEM harmonic balancer, there are two different styles for the late model engines, a small solid hub and a larger rubber one.
I recommend you do not use the solid hub for racing. Although is small and lighter, it does not dampen the harmonics as well as the larger two piece with rubber. With the block having hollow mains, the dampening of harmonics helps the life of the engine.
If you will not be using an SFI balancer, I recommend the Pioneer Part Number DA-4552

Lowest price in Ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crankshaft-D...3D151293191224

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We just finished balancing with small balancer. I have no problem buying the 2 piece but do I need to rebalance? My guess is I don't need to.

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The small diameter hub you are using has a weight of 5.12 pounds. However, the larger harmonic balancer weight is 8.60 pounds. That's a difference of 3.48 pounds between harmonic balancers.

I know of people that have replaced the harmonic balancer from the hub style to the dampener style in street applications under the premise that the Oldsmobile engine is externally balanced, and the counterweights are the same.

I assume your rotating assembly was externally balanced like the OEM, just to be sure, ask the shop that did the balancing if you can exchange the balancer since they have the same counterweight.

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For sure it was externally balanced as I had to bring him balancer and flywheel. Ill ask on Monday

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Small update as I went racing. New valves for $77 and new balancer for $76. Block and head work should be done this week. Should be able to work on front suspension rebuild and short block build in the next week. Total $3819.50

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Jeff this is totally off topic but Al Provost's old wagon (N/SA, Air Ride, white olds) just came up for sale not far from me in Callahan Fl. Said motor was blown but comes complete with spares and even a spare car for $4500. Just saying might help you or someone looking to get into something inexpensive.

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Just picked up all the machine work on block, crank and heads$1562.00 Total $5381.50

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Also I was surprised when removing torque plate cylinders were. 0015 out of round up top. Bolted plate down again and checking cylinders were round again. It surprised me.

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Did they deck the block ? If not that could be the reason.

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Normal for the the Oldsmobile 307 and 403 blocks.
They are of a lightweight design, light and have scalloped and windowed mains. For a full race engine, you can fill the block and used a girdle, or sleeve to a 307 bore size, a 1968 thru 1971 high nickel block.

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Yes block was filled to bottom of water pump holes. Didn't know we could run a stud girdle. Ill look into that. Block was decked. We actually had to cut .034 to get zero deck. I have a 71 350 block but being a budget build I didn't want the expense of sleeving down to 307 bore

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Slow progress but progress. Cleaned up oil passage on main cap. Removed burr on hole entrance and the port to block had a large restriction dog leg in it. So I straightened dog leg in port. The oil hole in block was about .060 smaller then oil hole in cap so I matched those. Drilled and tapped passeges in main caps to run oil restrictors.
http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...aywood/oil.jpg

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Little update. Went on Ebay shopping spree. Clevite bearings, rear seal to replace rope seal , and HV oil pump $149.48 Total $5530.98 No pics as Im waiting on rings to complete short block. Then front end rebuild and valvetrain purchase.

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Kinda thought that is the reason for honing with a torque plate, to make sure the cylinder is round when the head is bolted on.

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Some updates. Purchased beehive springs with retainers and keepers $291. Heads are 1cc over minimum, runner were 3-5 cc's less then maximum. Basic 3 angle valve job. The compression thickness total will be .004 more then allowed. Motor is no even close to being illegal.

http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...aywood/cyl.jpg
New total $5821.98

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I was concerned with stock 12 bolt yoke and purchased a Strange yoke and u-bolts along with 1 Carrier main cap and reinforced rear end cover $377

New Total of $6198.98

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Jeff, your previous total was 5500.00 and change. New total 4400.00
and change. This is the same accounting I use when explaining
Race Car expense to my wife. J.R.

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LOL. My significant other doesn't even know about the first dollar spent on this project. I type this stuff when I'm by myself. Thanks for catching it. Now updated. Also I need to get my pics on Flickr or if someone has a better place to host pictures.