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Rich...take 'em off. But throw 'em in the trailer, just in case. ;) :) -Al
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I found a descent article on Fox body suspensions and those bars don't seem to be considered part of the suspension. They aren't mentioned here at all.
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Guys, If those braces are conv. only, then they are there to lessen nose or cowl shake or door closing up or rattling, going over rough ground or railroad tracks or something like that.
Won't hurt to leave them off on a drag car. Agree with Alan..Clean it up, put it and the bolts under the seat in the truck. Probably be there for a long time. |
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Got those 4-cylinder springs today...I'll tackle those this weekend. |
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I have used a spring compressor designed like this to remove/reinstall uncut Moroso drag springs on my fox several times. Access to the tool through the hole in the center of the spring perch on the a-arm, and make sure you get as many coils as possible included in the compression.
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I lower the front of the control arm while it's bolted onto the k-member. I put the spring in place (it will only seat about half way in at the bottom, maybe less). I wedge the crow bar into the control arm spring pocket (using the angled tip pointed downward) and push the spring backward while jacking up the front of the control arm. Reinstall the struts bolts. Move to the next spring. You can get springs in your car in about 10 minutes this way. I know it goes without saying, but you need to be careful. Make sure that you and the guy jacking the control arm are not standing in front of the spring in case it decides to go airborne. |
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I have one of these, made a flat plate on the hex end, and went up thru the bottom of the control arm,hooking the upper hooks on the spring.
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Thanks guys - Our spring compressor consists of flat plates and has been used on all springs installed in Chevrolets...I suspect it will work just as well on the Ford. I have never installed an uncut Moroso spring in any car myself. Hope these springs work out the first go round.
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Car is at a friends machine shop for the roll bar finish welding. I'll tackle the front-end when he is finished.
Let's talk headers - While I'm not at that point yet I ran across a good deal...if they will work on this combo. A used set of long tube stainless Kooks, 1-7/8" primaries, 3.5" collectors, $550...to large for this engine? What are you fellows using on similar cars? |
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I can't speak to the clearances in your car, but I have Hooker Super Comp long tube headers on the 302 in my 68 coupe and getting at the header bolts is beyond painful. I have looked up header bolt solutions on the Net and I keep coming up with "Header Clearance Issue on Vintage Camaro" in the Ford searches so maybe it's not badge specific. The bolts to the lead side of the pipe aren't too bad but the ones on the back of each bend are super tuff to get to. I have a mix of bolts depending on what I could get to fit.
Power or manual steering? Better clearance on manual boxes. Mine are 1 5/8 by 3 1/2 and I can't imagine larger ones on that engine. People do it but they cut the shock towers out, too. Dale |
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Well, with no part number disclosed I did a little deeper research on Kooks. It appears those headers would not fit with a stock K-member and likely would not even bolt-up to standard port heads. I was also advised that overall those headers were way too large for this combo.
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It's looking like I will be purchasing a header then cutting flanges for individual tube mounting and cutting the primaries for slip-fit collectors.
Here you go Pony... http://www.ebay.com/itm/151471684683...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT |
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Rich, Pacesetter makes a nice 1 5/8" header for your car that fits well and has nice straight sections off the flange. Add a set of basic slip fit collectors (2 1/2") and I think you'd be in good shape. -Al
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I just went through "long tube headers" at Summit and it seems everything for 302 SBF that is larger than 1 5/8 is footnoted as being for aftermarket heads.
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Hedman makes a good set. My first set lasted 16 years and those were coated after test fitting and making clearances. The tubes at the flange started cracking. They were 1 5/8 with 2 3/4 collectors. My new Hedmans are 1 5/8 and 1 3/4 with 3" collectors. No need to cut headers up. They are not cheap but they fit. With the port layout and the close proximity of the header bolts, some tubes you have to ding to get the bolts to fit.
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I haven`t tried any other headers yet, but on my 85 Mustang, I have a set of long tube "equal length" FlowTechs, which have 1 5/8" diameter. They fit well with the factory K member, clear my McLeod scattershield with no need for modifications, and they have a couple of slip tubes, but with the collectors welded to several tubes, no need for the collector tether nonsense. I install the engine with the passenger side header fully bolted up, with the clutch, scattershield, and starter motor installed, once the engines in, the drivers side header slips in from underneath, with 1 slip tube to clear the steering shaft. They even have decent ground clearance. The best thing is that they are priced less than most 5.0 "shorty" headers, plus they have O2 sensor bungs welded to the collectors. Great bang for the buck.
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I'm not slacking folks...got the car home this afternoon with the roll bar welding finished.
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/q...psd5d91eb1.jpg Busted the front-end apart and I will remove the rubber bushings in the control arms in the morning. Need to locate some ball joints as one of the boots was torn. Once the front is done I can move toward getting that engine out. Btw, the spring compressor was a pita...a floor jack under the other control arm was much quicker/easier. http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/q...psd6380b71.jpg http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps4579a05d.jpg |
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I put a set of uncut Eibach drag springs in my 87. I think I used a combination of the compressor and the jack, starting the nut on the balljoint, then lining up the bolt holes in the bushings. It ended up sitting too high. I got greedy and cut 1 1/2 coils off, sat too low. It was a lot easier to get them in, though! I found another set (Both sets were new, unused, bought from guys on The Corral.) and cut 1 coil. The height was good. My car is not an all-out drag car. If it were, I'd be concerned that by cutting the springs, I increased the stiffness too much, reducing the effectiveness of the weight transfer. |
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I'll be using the compressor going back in with these 4-cylinder springs...hoping they will be right the first go round. Lots of weight coming off the front of this car...bought a manual rack yesterday which is supposed to be around 30 pounds reduction. Got hijacked today for a Chinese ping pong table assembly from hell...I will be working on the car this Thanksgiving holiday.
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I elected to use the spring compressor today and the 4-cylinder springs went in easily. A-arm's don't swing as easily as I would like with these poly bushings, but they are not too bad. Front is done with the exception of Aerospace rotors and 4-piston calipers which are on the way...decided to use the same set-up as the Camaro. Finally snaked the front sway bar out of the car...geez what a chunk of metal. I'll be pulling the engine out in the morning and install the manual rack shortly after.
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I can probably back them off a little and add some nyloc's Mitch.... wanted some bearings but could not source any. Front sits well, just hoping the springs will let it separate easily.
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Looks good Rich.
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Finally out of the hole. Manual rack and front brakes in the morning.
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They sure put a lot of messy stuff under the hood of stocker don't they?
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It was a bit of a battle by myself...amazing how quickly things let go when you break out the die grinder/cut-off wheel. The one redeeming feature of this car is when you pull the transmission the engine doesn't drop backwards like it does in the Camaro...sits perfectly level on the K-member until it's plucked out. |
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If I could back up just a bit. How difficult was it to replace those control arm bushings ? I need to do that to my Cougar.
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