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Anyone?

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Since it was running C/S, I have to assume it was running the top option Tri-Power 389, which was 360hp, according to Class Racer Info. The next lower hp looks to be 335hp, with 1 AFB 4-barrel. That engine would run a lower class.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...3&MAKE=Pontiac

The Royal '66 also ran C/S. I assume that was the highest class a '66 could run, in '66. Not sure tho.

Just looked back a few posts & realized that you were asking about the '69 D/SA Judge. From everything I can find out, D was the highest class a '69 could run, that year. That would mean that the D/SA '69 Judge was running the 370hp RA4 engine. As far as I know, the NHRA min weight for a '69 has always been 3500lbs. But I have no idea what the NHRA hp factor was at any given time, back in the old days.

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DC - The Poncho is JackBriner, winner H/SA. I think the Pegersen pic was the final run off against Merkle.

Here’s another.

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DC....Where’d you get to, you're missed!

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I would really be interested in knowing what was the quickest time a legal '66 GTO Stocker ever ran, in national NHRA competition, who sponsored the car, who built it, & who drove it. :confused:

Would also like to know what year the last SERIOUS '66 Tri-Power GTO Stocker raced, in national NHRA competition. :confused:

I'm not aware of any that have run this century.

May not have been any since the late '60's or early '70's, since there have been so many later model Pontiac combos that were more competitive.

Unless a '66 GTO would show up on some win list or nat record list, I don't know how you'd ever find the info I'm talkin about.

I'll ask on a couple of Pontiac sites I'm on & see if anybody has any related info.

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Unfo most win lists don’t detail model, and often not even model year.

I know a 66 2+2 won H/SA...but thats not a GTO.

When I was writing up Pontiac for my site...for 1966, I found it VERY difficult finding any GTO pics of NHRA stockers.

It may be that they weren’t very class competetive....but thats DC’s area of expertise....

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"...for 1966, I found it VERY difficult finding any GTO pics of NHRA stockers..."

I don't have any trouble finding pics, for cars that raced that year. But, just can't find much info about any '66 GTO's that raced AFTER '66.

Maybe most of the serious Pontiac Stock racers switched to the '67 Bird's, with the new 400 engine, Q-jet carb, & TH400 trans.

Then in '68, there were the open chamber D-port heads & the RA2 round port head engines.

Then of course, came the RA4 engines, in '69. Guessing that by '69, most all the serious '66 GTO Stockers were gone.

So, I have no idea if the '66 Tri-Power GTO's ever got into the 11's or not. Guessing that low 12's is as quick as they got, in legal Stock form, before they disappeared from the tracks.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

If you have a pic of a 64 with class chalkings and possible ET I’d be most grateful.

I had to use a pic of the GeeTO promo car!

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Well, the pics I have of NHRA '64 GTO Stockers don't have chalk markings. But I do have pics of 3, which had B/S PAINTED on 'em. Assume all 3 were Tri-Power cars.

None have an ET marked on 'em. The pic of the Gay Pontiac GTO was very small, since it was part of a pic of their 3-car hauler rig. But, it does have B/S on it. The Packer Pontiac GTO LOOKS like a serious Stocker. But I don't know how quick it was. Assume there were some running mid 12's.

The "Lil 2 Speed" car apparently ran AHRA, which had different rules. So the chalk markings are quite different than NHRA markings. I think they could run one 2-barrel carb, or one 4-barrel carb, or multiple carbs, with the same car. It would just be in a different class, with each carb set-up.

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I assume I'm probably the last guy to know about this.

But, just in case I'm not, & somebody else might get some use out of it, this appears to be pdf versions of '58 thru '69 NHRA rule books.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2006u57wp...myEgvaR8KYSowa

Sure would like to find access to lots of old ND papers, to get nat record info & race results from.

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Gays was a 62 Ventura. I believe, ran A/Stock in 63, B/Stock in 64.

The Papoose is what I was looking for. B/Stock would seem to be the right fit for the car in 64- although I don’t know the quoted weight so can’t consult the charts. I’ll assume its what the 64 Goats were slotted into.

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OS - I have a conundrum for you.

In the Pontiac stocker thread, you quote Boyce’s book ( I won’t judge��) as saying this car was totalled in a wreck after coming runner up at Indy in class.

1 SS/S was a one meet, one year class in 62.

2- The winning SS/S cars and r/ups are in my web page, they were Proffits Ventura and Faubels Dodge - both 410/425 hp cars.

3 - This car is depicted as a 368hp 389cui 61 Cat .....

So, it couldn't possibly have run in SS/S in 62 competitively.

Do you think they might have swapped in a 421SD?

Or, is this more Boyce ‘laziness’ where they’ve guessed the driver, car or picture?

Either way, it was not a runner up in SS/S unless it was in disguise!

HOWEVER - There IS a possibility it ran as r/up in A/SA at Indy 62, as a 61 389 34?hp car driven by Ralph Hardt won class...and I have nor record of the r/up.

But surely they didn’t swap out motors at the meet.....which makes me think a different Packer car MAY have run as r/up in A/SA.

Your thoughts?

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Maybe this will help clear it up, some.

https://www.nhra.com/news/2021/421-n...orever-footage

The 421SD engine was available to some racers, to run in their '61 model cars.

“Pontiac is now offering to qualified drivers a 421 cubic inch high-performance engine option. The engine is rated at 373 horsepower and features dual four-barrel carburetors, a solid-lifter camshaft, and high-capacity aluminum exhaust manifolds. The 421 engine is available only with related heavy-duty driveline components. It can be fitted to any Catalina or Ventura 2-door model.”

NOTE: For MOST of the info presented in the Jr. Stock book, or any other drag racing book about stuff that happened back in the early days, I have absolutely no way to tell exactly what info is correct & what info is not correct. So, if I post something that was printed in the book, that was incorrect, I am NOT trying to deceive anyone. Example: The caption of one pic said a car had a 421 engine. IIRC, it was Mark Yacavone who knew the car & said it actually had a 389. I have no way of knowing what engine the car had. Hey, for all I know, the guy may have run both engines, at different times. Lots of drag cars have run different size engines.

Here is a pic of a '61 Packer Pontiac. Has 389 on the side. Could have a 421 under the hood, or not. The 2nd pic is of a '61 Pontiac which has 373hp wrote on it, & A/S on the windshield. I assume it was one of the '61's that got one of the over the counter 421 conversion engines. But, it could actually have had a 389, or the 373hp 421? Point is, writing on the car body doesn't always agree with what engine is actually under the hood. At least, I don't think there was ever a rule about that.

The pics I have of cars which have SS/S on 'em are of '62 models. Several '61's have OS/S on 'em. IIRC, that was a one year class. Pic #4 shows the A/SA car you mentioned. Don't know if it is of the final round you mentioned, or not. If so, looks like the loser was a '61 Pontiac ragtop, #620. Don't know if any of this will help with your fact finding, or not.

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"...Gays was a 62 Ventura. I believe, ran A/Stock in 63, B/Stock in 64..."

Yes, the '62 was in that pic.

BUT, the reason I posted that pic is because it's the only pic I have of the Gay Pontiac '64 GTO. I think Roy Gay drove it. Don Gay drove the '62.

Because the GTO is so small in the only pic I have of it, it gets real fuzzy, as you try to enlarge it, with free online photo resizing sites. But, you can see that it was #657. "Roy Gay" is painted on the door.

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Thx OS - Understand I’m aware you weren’t ‘inventing things’.

My concern was simply how a a Packker car could get runner up in SS/S...because the results are documented.

For what its worth, I agree they could be running any motor - but IF Boyce is correct about the r/up status....I think its far more likely to have been A/SA.

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Sorry mate, I completely overlooked Roy’s car. Thanks for posting it!

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"...SS/S was a one meet, one year class in 62..."

"one meet" ??? :confused:

I just looked at '62 in the Larry Davis SS book. According to that book, the SS/S class was run at BOTH the Winter Nats & @ Indy.

Wouldn't that make SS/S at least a "two meet" class ?

Just read that the SS/S class was ONLY for '62 model cars. And they had to be showroom available models.

The '62 model is the only year model that qualifies to run a 421SD engine in Stock Elim. The '63 Swiss Cheese models had to run FX, because so few were made.

Being a Pontiac guy, I'll also mention this. According to the book, Pontiacs swept A/FX, SS/S, SS/SA, S/S, S/SA, & A/SA, @ the '62 Winter Nats ! :)

According to the SS book, Hayden Proffitt drove the A/FX & SS/S cars. Lloyd Cox dove the SS/SA car, Jess Tyree the S/S car, Carol Cox the S/SA car, & Don Bennett the A/SA car.

According to the book, Pontiacs only won 4 of those 6 classes @ Indy '62. Lloyd Cox won A/FX, Bill Sasse won S/S & Bob Harrop was RU, both driving '61 Pontiacs. Carol Cox won S/SA, & Ralph Hardt won A/SA.

Don't wanna forget that a Pontiac powered dragster beat Don Garlits in the dragster final ! :)

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"...In the Pontiac stocker thread, you quote Boyce’s book ( I won’t judge��) as saying this car was totalled in a wreck after coming runner up at Indy in class...it couldn't possibly have run in SS/S in 62 competitively."

Just went back & looked in the book. It's on page 14. Says Stan Antlocer drove it, & was RU in "Super Stock", NOT SS/S.

Can't verify anything, EXCEPT that this is what is in the Jr. Stock book, on page 14.

The SS book says that Bob Harrop was driving the '61 Pontiac that was S/S RU @ Indy '62. I wasn't there. Don't know who was RU.

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You’re correct...I was confusing it with OS/S.

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I’ll dig around tomorrow. Wouldn't be the first time Davis or Boyce has been wrong. 👍

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To save a lot of ‘to and fro’.....check the results I have fot 62...then give me your educated opinion on where Antlocer fits.

I am genuinely interested because r/up info is so hard to source. 👍

https://skunkwerkssuperstock.wordpre...s-experiments/

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One thing I noticed in the Jr. Stock book is that at the end of the caption are the words (Photo Courtesy Stan Antlocer)

SO, does that mean that the author of the book was in contact with Stan, & got the pic & info he published directly from Stan ??? :confused:

If this is the case, & Stan knew that the info he provided might be published in a book & credited to him, would he intentionally provided false info, which he knew could be proven false ??? :confused:

OR, did the book's author get the facts wrong, NOT publishing exactly what Stan provided to him ??? :confused:

I don't know the answer to these questions. I don't know who won the race or who the RU was or what car either driver was driving.

Hey, I live in Louisiana & have never even been close to Indy, much less attended a race there. I just read what others have written about races & repost some of it on a few car forums. If the results I read were posted wrong, then the results I repost will also be wrong.

Have run across quite a bit of conflicting info about race results from 50 years or more ago, as well as races from the modern era.

I've posted that Pontiacs won races, when it turned out that the driver who won the race HAD driven Pontiacs at some previous races, BUT was NOT driving a Pontiac at the particular race I was reporting on. Sometimes only the names are posted, with no mention of what car was being driven.

After scanning down thru your 1962 section, I noticed that you said Hayden Proffitt won Top Stock at Indy, in a 421 Pontiac.

"...These 421 cui motors ran 11:1, dual quad carburretors and were rated to 405. The lightweight panels were available to the approved teams and raced in SS/S. Hayden Proffitt proved the cars worth by winning Top Stock at the US Nationals..."

According to other info posted, he actually won the SS/S class @ the '62 Winter nats, with that #670 Pontiac. He did win Top Stock @ Indy that year, but he was driving the #612 409 powered Chevy. At least, that's what I can gather from all the results I've seen.

This article lists Arlen Vanke a S/S winner. But then, as a caption to a pic, says Bill Sasse won S/S. Have a pic of a car with "Bill Sasse" on the door & "Driver Arlen Vanke" on the roof, over the door. So, IF this was the winning car, who was driving at the '62 Indy Nats ?

http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/membe...onals_1-20.pdf

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I contacted the Jr. Stock book author & ask him about what Stan told him.

He sent me a copy. Stan said the car was RU in Super Stock at the "Indianapolis Summer Nationals in 1962".

So, was that the same race as the NHRA Nationals of '62 ? Or was it some special race they held earlier in the Summer ?

Never heard of a Summer Nationals race being held @ Indy. Maybe Stan just used the word Summer because the race started in Aug ?

I don't have any answers & don't know who was driving the S/S winning or RU car @ Indy '62.

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Thanks!
I just saw this today Oct 29, for some reason my Email notifications quit.

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Awesome!
A couple things I caught:
FACTORING:
The 428/335hp-CJ R-code RamAir was factored to 360hp
The 428/335hp-CJ Q-code NonRamAir was factored to 340hp

I'm not sure on the AMX factoring, I had 400hp, not sure if 420hp fits the class or not. Curious where you found that?

WINTER:
You have Harvey's SS?/I car at 340hp, which is the correct factor, but most places you list the factory rated hp, not NHRA factored.

SPRING:
Re SS/Eliminator SS/GA Poole, there were NO 428-2x4v Cobra Jets. All single 4v. The SS/GA Cobra Jets were R-code ram air factored at 360hp.

The B/SA=8.00 Ben Wolf car:
Bottom line is I dont know WHAT that car was.
No 68-69 Pontiac fits B/SA=8.00 class unless the engine was factored way above its factory rating.
The only factoring I've heard on the 400 Pontiacs is that:
* ALMOST always, the FIrebirds were refactored to the GTO rating
* The RA4 was factored to 380hp, at least in 1970-71. I've always assumed that was true for 1969 as well.
* The RA2 had to be factored to about 375hp in 1970-71 for eg the Truman Fields car to run where it did, D/S=8.50 class in 1971.

Is it POSSIBLE that the RA4 was factored to at least 395hp, maybe 410-425hp, to allow the FIrebird or GTO to fit the Ben Wolf B/SA=8.00 win?
Sure, but I have no direct evidence this happened. That nmeant the RA4 got factored DOWN to 380hp in 1970, and down-factoring was rare but not unheard of.

So, we just dont know.
A 69 Firebird has to be factored to at least 395hp to fit B/SA=8.00.
A 69 GTO has to be factored to at least 415hp to fit B/SA=8.00.
Maybe the Ben Wolf car wasnt even a Pontiac? Do we know?

The F/SA=10.00 Dick Simon car, again I still dont know WHAT it was. His Fairlane ragtop doesnt fit that class with any engine. Coulda been a Fairlane but not the ragtop.

INDY:
I like seeing that big Pontiac win with the 421-6v under there. Not a usual combo you see winning at a National event.

The picture of the Roush 69 Mustang Ragtop 1511 SS/HA=9.50 is at the 71 Nationals, not the 69 Nationals. In 1969, SS/HA=9.00 class and the ragtop was too heavy for that class.

Allie would have run a 69 Fastback or Coupe in 1969=SS/HA=9.00 class, not sure which one either fits.

They used to play with the class letters almost every year back then, super confusing.

FOMOCO:
The big (3600 lb shipping wt, over 3800 lb on the street) Fastback Cobra/Cyclone indeed won several in SS/J=10.00 and SS/JA=10.00 classes. I have
Winter
Payne SS/J
Caster SS/JA
Spring
Payne SS/J
Glidden SS/JA
Indy
Johnson SS/JA Cyclone

The only time that combo did NOT win was SS/J at Indy, won by a little cussball Chevy II 327/275hp. Those cars are so light they're known to pop the windshields out if the car hooks up with the stock unibody.

CHEVY:
The ZL1 NHRA weight is 3124 lb not 2800 lb.
The L79 66 Nova came in at 2800 lb though.

PONTIAC:
The Max Sterling picture is not a 62 Cat 421/405sd.
I think that picture in your writeup is a 61, maybe his previous car?
Here is a picture from Petersen of Max's *62* White Lightning car

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=316653

Confusing because both cars are #1310.
Glad we have oldskool here because all this Pontiac stuff is very confusing, still.

MOPAR:
AFAIK the Street Hemi was always factored to 480hp, 1966-71.

All in all a superbly enjoyable writeup.
Great service to history.

EDIT: I did this post 29 October, but did some edits on 30 October, just put them in here to keep it all in 1 spot. Still catching up on pgs 11-15 of the thread!

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"...1969 now published. Thank you both for your help..."

I noticed just a couple of things about the Pontiac info, which are very minor.

(1) About the Ben Wolf car, which we decided, if it was indeed a Pontiac, had to be either a '68 or '69 Bird, with RA2 or RA4 engine: Since you decided on a '69, the factory rating for the RA4 engine, in a '69 Bird, is 345, not 375. It's factory rated 370 in a '69 GTO. Don't know what the NHRA factors were in '69. Maybe it was 375 & that's why you used that number.

(2) Later you referred to a GTO RA4 engine as an "oval port". Pontiac guys have always referred to 'em as "round" port. The '68 RA2, '69 & '70 RA4, '71 & '72 455HO, '73 & '74 SD455 engines were all said to have "round" port heads, since the exhaust ports were all perfectly round. Just as a side note, the '69 thru '72 round port engines also had aluminum intake manifolds.

Again I'll say these are very minor things, but will be quickly noticed by most all Pontiac guys who read it.

I suppose each car brand has certain terminology for their equipment. Some Pontiac guys are real sticklers for using the term "Tri-Power", rather than "Three Deuces". I personally prefer to use "Three Deuces". I suppose that's because of the goofy GTO song I've always loved. You know, "Three deuces & a 4 speed, & a 389". :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_FSicQWimU

But, because Tri-Power seems to be more acceptable to most Pontiac guys, I've tried to use Tri-Power, when posting info. But, in person, I'll usually say a car has 3-deuces, rather than saying "It's a Tri-Power car".

https://pontiactripower.com/

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Just as most people like to root for the home team, I'd like to see more Pontiacs in your results.

2 cars that come to mind, that I don't remember seeing, are the Greg Murnane '67 "Limelighter" GTO & the Gary Moore '61 "Acre Maker" Pontiac.

Both cars were nat record holders & class winners. Moore won the NHRA div 4 points in '68. IIRC, Murnane was #2 in div 5 points with his GTO.

Besides just me wanting more Pontiac coverage, just because I'm a Pontiac guy, once the Mopars took over, in the mid '60's, Mopars & Fords are about all you see. So, for those later '60's years, having more Pontiac pics would just add a little more variety to the presentation.

And, considering all the super strong Ford & Mopar competition, it seems to me to have been quite a feat to win class & set records, with a Pontiac.

Hey, this is just a completely biased post. I admit it ! :D

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Now that I'm back:
To clarify:
1. See my longer reply 29 October (edited a couple times including this morning 30 October)
2. I made my lists/tcolor tables from a writeup in Drag News, some of the pages were hard to read. I'm pretty sure of most of the cars but if a box is shaded pink, it means it's a GUESS - sometimes I'll guess several "maybe's" hoping to jog a memory somewhere.
3. The Drag News writeup looks like it was done pre-teardown, so some cars got DQ after my Drag News results. When Rat found that final list as posted, the two conflict.
4. So, I've updated my color tables to include all the DQ's which changes some of the winners.

Ben Wolf & Dick Simon cars/engines are still a mystery.
We can guess, and for sure some cars DONT fit, but dont know yet what they actually ran.

I'm glad this thread is so active - we'll figure it out!

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(From PG12)
I have Bunkers car as a 69 GTO, RA4 factored to 380hp, same factoring as 1970-71.
3500/380=9.21

NOTE this has some implications for Ben Wolf's car from Spring 69.
Unless NHRA de-factored the RA4 from eg 415hp to 380hp DURING the 1969 race year (highly unlikely), this means there's no way a 69 GTO factored at 380hp could run B/SA=8.00 class.

Also, a 69 Firebird RA4 factored at 380hp does not fit B/SA=8.00.

And, a 68 Firebird RA2 only fits if factored to 395hp or higher.
Would a RA2 be factored HIGHER than a RA4?
Seems unlikely.

I'm wondering if the Ben Wolf B/SA=8.00 car was a Pontiac at all!

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The fastest WIN I have is Vanke at Spring 66
12.70 at 108.82
In C/S=9.50 class.
That's also the 1st & ONLY National win I'm showing for the 389 GTO, either 4v or 6v. I think the 400 was rated more competitively.
Seems like after Spring 66, the W30, RA1, and Z28 took over that class.

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..Allie would have run either a '69 Mustang fastback or coupe 428 cj..

https://www.roushperformance.com/med...ge_grid_05.jpg

Bill Allie was a member of The Fastbacks racing team, but ran a '69 coupe with a vinyl top.

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"...NOTE this has some implications for Ben Wolf's car from Spring 69...a 69 Firebird RA4 factored at 380hp does not fit B/SA=8.00.

And, a 68 Firebird RA2 only fits if factored to 395hp or higher.

Would a RA2 be factored HIGHER than a RA4?.."

I don't have a clue what the NHRA hp factors were back in the old days. Where do you guys come up with that info ??? :confused:

I've posted pics of both a '68 & '69 Bird marked B/SA. I know that the '69 was bought brand new, with a Ram Air 4 engine, by Phil Monteith.

BUT, I don't know what year the pics were made.

I do know that Phil switched the car over to SS, after a little while. Phil Is still quite active in Pontiac racing. As you may or may not know, Peter Biondo won at least 3 SS championships driving Phil Monteith's Pontiac powered GT Birds.

If you could contact Phil, I'll bet he could probably remember some facts from his early days with his '69 RA4 Bird.

Here's the latest FB page I can find for him. Don't look like he's active on it.

https://www.facebook.com/phillip.monteith.1

Mark Yacavone is one of his FB friends. He's active on his page & this forum. He can probably get you Phil's contact info.

Lynn McCarty is also a FB friend. He's active & knows LOTS of Pontiac racers. He can probably help you find most any Pontiac info you need, or knows somebody who does.

While thinkin about older Pontiac guys who might have info, the biggest name that comes to mind, is Bob Michael. He's built & raced more different Pontiac powered Stock & SS cars than anybody I know of.

He still has a couple of active stockers. One is a 389 Tri-Power '62 Grand Prix. The other is a '77 Catalina.

https://dragillustrated.com/life-lon...al-to-pontiac/

As you know, some guys seem willing to take time to talk about the old days & help you find info, but some don't. If Bob will talk, he's the guy I'd wanna talk to. He's had more Pontiac powered race experience than anybody I know of. And he knows all the other long time Pontiac racers. I think he's a member here. Can't remember his site name. Mark Yacavone will know.

Still thinkin. John Schloe still races a '69 Bird. Years ago, it had RA4 power. The story goes that he ruined a head. So, because of their rariety & price, he switched over to a D-port engine. But, he may have some good RA4 info, from years gone by. Not active on his FB page. But again, Mark Yacavone is a friend. So, he can probably provide contact info.

https://www.facebook.com/john.schloe.1/friends

John Angeles has raced a '69 RA4 Bird in SS, for years. He also co-wrote a Pontiac racing & performace book.

https://www.firebirdcentral.com/Pont...p/lit-2006.htm

His daughter, Keri, has done most of the driving, & was driving for it's 1st 9 sec pass, back in 2000, IIRC. Keri has a page, but is not active.

https://www.facebook.com/keri.pari

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I got lots of good factoring help mainly from Dwight Southerland here:

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...t=62510&page=9

That's where I got the RA4=380hp and other info above.

I've been trying to find all the NHRA "FACTORS" up thru 1971, after that the rules change so much I haven't taken on that era yet.

The Angeles-McCarthy book on that website is superb.
I bought my 1981 version in the 1990s at the Portland swap meet.
Highly suggested if you want to know anything about Pontiac V8s.

Is there any chance that Antlocer 61 Bubbletop on pg14 of Boyce maybe was R/U at 1961 Indy & not 1962 Indy?

This looks like the class final at 62 Indy.
Both cars have the "T" and are 2dr sedans not bubbletops like Antlocer / Packer so Iont see how the Packer bubbletop could be R/U at least at 62 Indy.

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=867820

Zuckerberg has no customer service & they broke my account so havent been on Facebook in a while. Now they're changing their company name to META. Maybe I can get some META-customer-service, LOL.

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O/S and DC

There’s a lot of stuff I have to go through....but lets deal with a couple of easy ones..

1 - I have Proffit driving a Chev at Indy 62, even a pic of his car in the winners circle....so not sure why you thought I listed it as a Pontiac?

2- The only possible error on Antlocer could be that it was not Faubel who was runner up inSS/SA Indy 62. I dont have a list of r/ups,and have not found a pic showing Faubel and Ekstrands 62 Rsmcharger pic racing each other...so there is a possibility Larry Davis got it wrong.

3- 62 Nats results lists Vanke as the driver of the Sasse/Vanke entry , Tin Indian 2.

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AMX - I read about it being re-factored in an article on the web. The initial rating was farcical.

ALLIE - So the 71 Ragtop Mustang ran the same class in 71 as the Fastback in 69?

OVAL PORT - was the term used inthe 69 SuperStock Magazine

FOMOCO:
The big (3600 lb shipping wt, over 3800 lb on the street) Fastback Cobra/Cyclone indeed won several in SS/J=10.00 and SS/JA=10.00 classes. I have
Winter
Payne SS/J
Caster SS/JA
Spring
Payne SS/J
Glidden SS/JA
Indy
Johnson SS/JA Cyclone -

Gotcha - I completely overlooked winters and spring....and missed the J/SA at Indy. I was getting tired!

PONTIAC:
The Max Sterling picture is not a 62 Cat 421/405sd.
I think that picture in your writeup is a 61, maybe his previous car?
Here is a picture from Petersen of Max's *62* White Lightning car - I’ll fix that....thanks.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

SS/S was current year only. So if the Antlocer car was a 61, it couldn't have r/up at 62 Indy inSS/SA.

You may be onto it.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

Further - I have no r/up for 61 Indy S/SA (Cox). and only one confirmation that Don Turner did a solo run to win OS/SA

Which is more likely for the Antlocer car?

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

Thx Terry 👍

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"...Is there any chance that Antlocer 61 Bubbletop on pg14 of Boyce maybe was R/U at 1961 Indy & not 1962 Indy?..."

I don't have a clue.

Maybe he was just mistaken about that RU finish.

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/200...agstrips-again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MGyCs4zXEM

I just noticed this pic in the SS book. In the far lane of this 1st pic is the Myrtle Motors '67 Bird. Because of the way the A is written, I first thought it was marked A/SA. But, when I enlarged the pic, it actually looks to be H/SA.

That brings up the question:

Exactly which engine would a '67 Bird have to have, in order to run H/SA, back in the '60's ? :confused:

Since I have an old pic of a '67 400 RA Bird marked C/SA, I'd assume it would need to have a 326HO engine, to make H/SA. But, in the pic, the car has a 400 hood on it. Don't think a '67 400 RA Bird ever ran A class.

BUT, I do have at least 1 pic of Truman Fields '68 RA2 Bird marked A/S. But, that was in '72, which was one of the weird pure stock type years. So, I reckin it all depends on what year we are talkin about.

Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68
 

Pretty sure the Antlocer car had a 4-speed manual trans, therefore couldn't have run in an auto class.

Here's a pic of the '61 that Hayden Proffitt drove @ Indy '61. It has both S/S & OS/S on it. I'm guessing that lots of racers back then referred to lots of classes as "Super Stock", & sorta lumped 'em all together, rather than callin 'em Top Stock & calling each class by it's specific designation. With this in mind, don't know exactly which specific Super Stock class Antlocer was saying he ran.