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Do we really have a problem? Does anybody or could anybody come up with some hard facts. How many rounds of eliminations at all divisional and national events were there double red lights and of those how many would have been affected or changed by having try-start.

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Current stats don't prove anything, the faster car can see the red light in the other lane and can have an effect on their reaction. I don't personally care either way about this issue but you can't use previous stats to make a point.

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I agree. I think there will be more fast cars redlighting in bottom bulb racing with Tru Start because they won't see if the slow car has redlit until the fast car leaves.

Jeff :)

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It is possible Jeff. At the Spring Fling in Vegas this past April with Tru Start being used, I left first every time by a fair amount. I went red on three different occasions and guess what? None of my opponents went red, they were all green. When they left, my red light came on and their win light came on. This was in Pro ET, bottom bulb racing.

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Still doesn't prove anything, they knew they had won at that point and could have just backed off knowing they had already won. I still say that past stats prove nothing in this matter.

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Anyone that is winning races is not looking over and watching the other guys tree to see if he red lighted or not, end of story you clowns. I have had 6-8 guys red light against me this past year and I never saw the win light until I got in high gear and looked up at the score board. heck two of the times I red lighted right with them .-002 and .-004. even with your true start I still would have been the winner of those rounds.

why are we still talking about changing the rules for less then 1% of times it comes into play.

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Read again. Lane's red light did not appear until the faster car left. It just so happens that they were all green.

It is true that previous stats won't tell the story on how many rounds would be changed, but the prevalence of double red-lights has been pretty consistent with and without TrueSTART. It is roughly 1.5% of all rounds run.

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I agree with you 100%.........

In a 128 car field, there are 126 separate races between cars that race towards the final......

If this change could fix just one race during eliminations, it would be worth it...

I still don't understand the logic in resisting this update and upgrade to our timing systems???????

Bob

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Yeah ya do Bob. Personal agendas.

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I'm sure people appreciate everyone's input on this matter, as it makes it for an interesting thread but personal opinions and/or agendas aside - wasn't the point of this thread to poll DIVISION 6 participants?


Maybe we should get back on topic....


Cody Lane
SS/BS
601

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See title Bob. I wasn't trying to offend anyone.


I voted already so that will be it from me!


Cody Lane
SS/BS
601

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That is correct. When I left the starting line -.005 red, my green light came on, once my opponent left with a .053 green, my green light turned to red and THEN my opponent's win light came on.

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so have the votes been counted yet?

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Then start a D7 poll

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First results from this thread is Mickey Whaley posted 14 times and counting. So I have been tallying up votes and still reaching out to people for help to get more participation in voting. I have got 46% of the Div 6 stock and Super Stock guys and gals. I don't think I want to give a result until there is a clear winner. The reason for this is I can here the complaining now that some of the fast guys didn't vote or slow guys didn't vote. So now lets get the word out about the poll to people I don't have contact info on, so if you know somebody on this list encourage them to get a hold of me by PM me or texting me so if you have my number give it to them to text me. I don't want to give out my contact info here cause I don't need everybody with an opinion emailing and texting that is not Div 6 like Mickey.

Aldon Miller
Alf Wiebe
Art Congdon
Bob Reynolds
Bruce Flodin
Bruce Perkin
Byron Setters
Caitlin Setters
Cal Method
Cameron Chowen
Carl Downard
Casey Plaizier
Casey Setters
Chris Dawson
Clarence Bidniak
Craig Bloom
Dallas Glenn
Daniel Cyr
Darcy Clarke
Darrell Dietz
Darrell Stobbe
Darrick Ellam
Daryl Coe
Dave Barcelon
Dave Flett
David Rastad
David White
Delwin Ellam
Don Elgin
Douglas Colley
Earl Snow Sr
Gary Coe
Gary Mc Coy
Greg Kielman
Jackie Alley
Jerry Joslin
Jim Devine
Jim Isherwood
Jon Percy
Kory Alby
Larry McLanahan
Mick Alley
Mike Booker
Mike Pruss
Norm Lapointe
Rich Scrivner
Rick Pike
Robert Blair
Robert Marshall
Sean Ferguson
Steven Horton
Terry Anderson
Terry Hembree
Thor Prestegaard
Tod Haste

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While I didn't race super stock this year I will for the foreseeable future and my vote would be to use true start.

John Whitmore
6086 s/s

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Jibberish say it again PINKY!

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So the first to leave green light comes on when in fact they went red, that will make handicap racing easier to understand for the fans! What do we call it a red light throttle stop?

Will the "Christmas Tree" become the "spin tree", you know saying one thing then doing something else?

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LOL Larry but I guess this will be only for div 6 stay rainy washington

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1254375

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Sorry we need the rain

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Another reason I don't want to release poll numbers yet is I don't want to influence others voting since there is still half the division that can still vote. There are still a lot of Canadians left on the list I have n idea how to get hold of so please help spread the world to them. I will update the list as I hear from people. Thanks every one that has voted and helped out,

Ok 18 and counting for Mickey

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I'm going to set the K/SA record

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I don't hold the record anymore but good luck with that.

K/SA 11.39 114.02 10/09/16 Eugene Monahan - Brockton, MA
'89 Pontiac Napan, NB

I got stuff to do this weekend I am out.

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Me to I have to cut grass

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Mickey, what do you do with that "grass" after you cut it?

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Don't know, but here in the NW we finance (legally) our race operations.

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HAHA damn ed merry Christmas my friend its never too soon to say it never know what the next second brings

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Exactly..........Firesale, donkeys eat there own grass.

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What if they walk in somebody s yard that is not their own then its not their grass we have seen people to tell us to give our input one division voting don't mean squat to make it work you better get NHRA to allow it my donkey will roam

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I'm going to the moon be back on the 1st if you reply you will have bad luck! DONKEY will be flying

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James , I'm with the rest of the slow cars . I vote for Tru Start .

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Yes on Tru Start.

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Unless you have a stocker that will go 8.40`s.......Your all in the slow stocker group

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Neil you just nailed this, a majority of the A,B,C, cars are against tru start but it could work in their advantage when running against the newer cars...blown mustangs,copos, and the remaining drag packs...

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I just love it when someone agrees with me...lol....I don`t look at this situation as advantages or disadvantages..Just the LONG overdue implementation of a level playing field. I blame NHRA for not addressing this inequity a LONG time ago............

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I have known Neil for a long time he has discussed and addressed this matter for many years.

Still remember when Bill Kost, (RIP), addressed this matter to NHRA many times and also sent a letter I drafted for him in the late 1990's to higher ups in Glendora and all the Division Directors.

I also believe that in the early days of the internet, Bill also asked Toby Lang to post a poll asking the question either on AOL or the former Dale Rethke website. Cannot recall the final results of the voting, however, I recall the fast cars were against it too.

At the time, Bill's position was when a slower car turns the red light first, is giving a free test and tune pass to the faster car.

The verbal response by NHRA to Bill's letter was they may consider it if the technology by the timing/Christmas tree manufacturer was available.

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If the “computer programming” used to figure out simple, kindergarten-like equations at the finish line were possible 40 years ago…and they were…what in the Hell was so difficult applying that same “programming” to the starting line?

It wasn’t. It never has been. If you could figure out things at the finish line, which was based on simple data inputs from several clocks and doing some math, adding the results from an additional set of inputs from the starting line to the decision of which win light to turn on would have been no problem.

This has always been centered around common, simple “if-then-else-endif” statements in programming. There has NEVER been anything technically difficult about installing a “worst red light” system in drag racing. If you could do finish line decisions in which “win light” to turn on, you sure as Hell could include, in your “if-then-else-endif” statement, the clock inputs from the starting line.

None of this…even going back to the seventies…has ever been high-tech or difficult to do.

It’s borderline criminal “worst” red light wasn’t instituted decades ago.