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Auto Imagery has all of the pictures of my '74 at the NHRA National events.Go to their web site and type in my name in the box. There's hundreds of shots.

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I'm proud to say that I was the dumb *** that put 27 horsepower on that combination in Stock over a 12 year period. From 250 to 277. That's the reason I switched over to S/S in 2008.

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Saving this spot for more Randi Lyn info & pics.

Anybody know how many races Randi Lyn has won with the Bird. Would like a break down of nat events, div races, and all smaller races.

Her FB friends list is full. But, one of my FB friends is on her list. So, I've asked him to try & get some info from her.

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This would be my choice.

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Yeah, I'd heard you were responsible.

I think they give Bob Aceves the credit for the 8hp hike in the '68 Bird 330hp car. I could hardly believe it when I saw that they just took 5hp back off that combo.

I've noticed that sometimes the exact same engine will have a higher factor in different body styles. One of those is the 1977 400 180hp engine. It gets 283 in a Bird. But, you can run it in anything else at 260hp. I suppose there were certain cars running real quick with that combo, that caused the hit.

But, from what I've read here, it's not just Pontiac engines that get this treatment. I reckin it just depends on which body styles are makin the noise.

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Yeah, I did that for a few years. But now when I go to that site no box shows up to type a name into. You only have the option of which race you want to see pics of.

Or, maybe they just changed the format or something. It doesn't work for me like it use to.

https://www.autoimagery.com/index

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The next '67 Bird I wanna talk about belongs to Bryan Phillips. As mentioned, it should be exactly the same combo as Randi Lyn runs.

While lookin thru the Indy class winners, I noticed that Bryan got the D/SA class win, in 2012, with a 10.733.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop

In the middle of July this year, he qualified #24, with a 10.695, in D/SA, at a West coast Lucas Oil Series race.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

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Right now, this is the only other pic I have of a '67 Bird Stocker. Don't know who it belongs to or any other info.

So, I need some help makin an ID. The permanent # looks to begin with a 7. So, I assume it was a West coast car.

And, I need names and/or pics of other '67 Bird Stockers.

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Here's some '67 Bird Stockers. One has an OHC Six.

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Lee Bannister comes to mind, in 1999-2000 he was in 11 finals and won 8 of them in NHRA and IHRA i belive it was a 1972 firebird 455 that was driven by the creator of the Texas Twister "Lee B" himself which many got to experience first hand. Not sure how fast it would run but, rarely lost a hdsup in elimination's and surprised quite a few.

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Rod Keeney...then DeFranks , then Randi Lyn

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Have never heard those names, but would like more info & pics.

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If Keeney & Defranks had '67's that were not the same as Randi Lyn's car, I'd like more info & pics.

Mark, you obviously know a lot of Pontiac racers, & history. Would appreciate any help you could give with possibly contacting those who have had competitive Pontiacs, and having them provide info and/or pics for these threads. Would like to see them become exhaustive & ongoing threads.

I know there are several other members here who can help supply info, and could possibly get info and/or pics from others who are not on this forum.

Would appreciate any and all help gathering as much info as possible for these Pontiac threads. Thanks in advance to all who can help ! :)

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We'll start lookin at '68 Birds now. This will take a while, because there have been more '68 Bird Stockers than any other Pontiac model I know of. I suppose that's because the 330hp '68 Bird combo has always been so competitive. For a long time it was a perfect 10lbs per hp car, with 330hp @ 3300 lbs.

That brings up a question for you guys. What was the first year that NHRA allowed weight to be added or removed, in order to move up or down a class ?

I wanna start with the car that is said to have triggered the 8hp hit the 330hp engine took, a few years back. Don't know if that's true, or not. ? It belongs to Bob Aceves.

Here's just one example of the car's performance. It was more than 1.3 sec under, at this race. By the way, his racing partner was #1 on this list @ more than 1.5 under, in a 2nd gen Bird. But we'll talk about that later.

"...9) Bob Aceves, Coarsegold, Calif., '68 Firebird, E/SA, 10.993, -1.307..."

He was #1 qualifier at more than a sec under, & won this Stock/SS combo race.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...&postcount=177

After the 8hp hit, he qualified @ .820 under, at the '18 Winter Nats.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDno6MYcaUs

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Before we leave silver '68 Birds, let's leave the West coast & travel all the way over to the East coast.

Adam Strang has a silver 10 sec '68, stick car. I think I've mentioned it already. He has run it mostly with a 400. But, he used a 350HO for a couple of races last year. Still ran high 10's.

He recently made a West coast swing, & at the Pomona race he ran a .929 under 10.571.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

At this div 1 race, he won the D/S class with a 10.562.

https://www.nhra.com/results/2018/lu...-eliminator/c1

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What about Jumping Jack Flash Jack Matyas had Pontiacs thru the 60's till about 2010 ? Has won class and wcs events and a good guy to boot .
Still racing even if it is Copo . :)

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Sure wish there was some online source to find results of nat & div races, including class wins, from the '60's on up.

Would also like a source for all the cars that have set new nat records, thru the years.

Does anyone here know if any such sources exist ? :confused:

If nothing else, I'd love to see all the results of just the US Nats, including final qualifying lists, class winners, & Stock/SS winner/RU.

As mentioned, right now, all the nat event results are listed, back to 1998, on DRC. Anybody here know where to find results for any nat events, especially the US nats, for any years prior to 1998 ? :confused:

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Looks like Jack had a '74 GTO, that won a lot of races & was a "15 time record holder". This was long before the big hp increase Bill Rink mentioned.

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...43&postcount=1

Actually, as can be seen by the pics, the car was really a base model Ventura. Appears as tho Jack added the GTO Trim items, later.

Jack said he was #1 qualifier, with his '74 GTO, at the Winter Nats one year. Anybody know what year that was ? Anybody have any online results showing that ? Looks like Chief Auto Parts sponsored the Winter Nats for about 10 years, '85 thru 94. So, it had to be one of those years.

NHRA Junior Stock

Jack also had a big Pontiac.

NHRA Junior Stock

I'll just throw in a '58 Pontiac winner, that I saw in that same thread.

NHRA Junior Stock

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https://i.ibb.co/k57G9XQ/Lee-Bannister.jpg

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OK, that was some good info. The car has Beringer wrote on the window. Who or what is that ?

DRC still has '98 & up nat event results. So, I began in '98, lookin up Stock winners. Lee won the '99 Gators in the '72 Bird.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

He also won again, in 2000. That's doin pretty darn good, I'd say. The car wasn't quick. But as long as you don't have a heads-up run, it don't have to be quick.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop

Looks like he won both finals, hard on the brakes.

Wow, I had never even heard of that guy, & he won 2 Gators in a row. This is cool ! :cool:

Also noticed some quick Pontiacs on those Q-lists, including Dave Ribeiro & Bill Rink.

Lee was entered again, in '02. Car was listed as a '73 Formula, in a lower class. So, I suppose he was claiming a D-port 455. It was .613 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

He was also there in '03.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

There were some other interesting Pontiacs on some of these lists. Peter Biondo drove a 2nd gen Bird one year. In '04, Al Vanis is shown as driving a '77 Lemans. Ya'll may remember that he won Stock at the US Nats, back in the '70's. There was another '77 Lemans that also ran good, driven by Kyle Riley.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

And how 'bout this ? In '06, Truman Fields was entered, in a C/S '68 Bird, and he had the only Pontiac powered car entered.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

In '09, Don Himes was entered in his '79 301 Lemans. There was a '68 Fla Bird, driver Steve Hunt. And, there was a '70 GTO, driven by Allen Hollingsworth. That's one of only 2 I've known to be in competition, in recent history. In recent years, Allen has had a 2nd gen Bird. So, I'm wondering if Todd Kuhn bought that GTO from Allen. Anybody know ?

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

The Gators have had some interesting Pontiacs show up there, thru the years. In '10 Ryan Warter made the long trip from the state of Washington, with his '75 Formula. Marion Stephenson was there with a '77 Lemans. I assume he's kin to Chris Stephenson, who has the quick '68 Bird Stocker.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

In '11, Brad Burton was there. And it is no surprise that he was the highest Pontiac qualifier.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2011#indextop

In '12, the highest Pontiac qualifier was a '74 Grand AM, driven by Mike McGinley, @ .902 under. Don Himes was next, @ .855 under. And Bryan Phillips was next @ .840 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop

Randi Lyn Shipp showed up in '13.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2013#indextop

In '14 Randi Lyn ran a 1.176 under 10.374. Also picked up the class win, as did Dom Himes. Byran Phillips ran quicker, but got treed in his class final.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2014#indextop

In '17, Adam Davis showed up with a '73 Formula. It ran a .929 under 10.921.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop

In '18, there were 4 strong Pontiacs there. Adam Strang was 1.026 under, Allen Holingsworth was .993 under, Michael Brand was .973 under, & Randi Lyn was .939 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop

This year there were 5 strong Pontiacs there, driven by Chris Stephenson, Randi Lyn, Adam Strang, Thomas Strand, & Lindsey Brand. Thomas Strand was driving the '70 RAIV Bird he'd bought from Scott Burton. And Lindsey Brand was driving her husband's '73 Formula.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

And, this year, Randi Lyn won it !!! :)

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

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Lee's car wasn't that Fast , but man could he drive !!!! He also would give you the shirt off his back ? I can remember one year at Indy , when I got a flat tire in class- final, in the staging lanes ?? Lee, went back to his car & took off both front tires and help me put them on !!! I ended up wining L/SA in my Firebird ..

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Yeah, I noticed that the car wasn't that fast. But, as you know, as long as you don't get a heads-up run, you can win.

I've also had other racers help me, in the lanes. And I've helped others. I remember one time when I loaned somebody a tool. Don't even remember what it was now. They left without returning the tool. That's pretty low. I didn't even see when they left. I think either me or TJ won the race. So, most everybody else had left the track.

You can have both good & bad experiences racing, if you do it long enuff. I can remember a bracket race where we got winner, RU, & semi, with the 3 Pontiacs we entered. I can also remember lots of times when we all lost 1st round & were loaded up & driving out the gate before the 2nd round. Also remember driving for 3 hours, only to get rained out for both the Sat & Sunday races. Total waste of a weekend.

Our best year was also the year we had the most rain outs. Went to 49 races, but 4 were rained out. Now that don't count those we didn't go to because we knew it was gonna rain. We drove 3 hours to get to the Tyler TX track, for all 4 of those rain outs. But, if you're gonna do it, you gotta take the bad along with the good. Overall, I loved all my racing experiences, even the dirt trackin. :)

Dave, if it's not too much trouble, and you still have 'em, would you Email me pics of your national record certificates. I haven't been able to find any source for old nat record info. But I've seen a few certificates posted. Or you can post 'em on this thread yourself. Hey, since you've done good with Pontiacs, I wanna be sure that info is recorded here. Most of the Chevy, Ford & Mopar guys don't care. But I do. And there are a few others here who do also.

Would also like to know about any/all nat & div race wins, as well as any other big races, such as the Dutch Classic. I have a few pics of your Bird, which I'll post when I get around to the late 2nd gens. But, if you have some good pics that you especially like, please either post 'em here, or Email 'em to me. Email: speedbarn455@gmail.com

This goes for all you other Pontiac guys. I wanna know about all the big wins you've got, plus nat records, & your best pics of those winning Pontiacs. There are so many that I don't know about. That car with the 2 Gator wins is a good example. I'd never heard of the car or driver. and I'd never taken the time to look thru the DRC archives to find out.

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I'll help shine some light on this car. If I remember the story correctly, Kyle Riley bought a running '77 Lemans and had a towing accident which damaged the car. He found a clean body and used parts from the damaged car to build this car. He did well with the car for a few years, including a RU at the Allstar race in '03 or '04.

At some point Kyle passed it to Marion Stephenson and it was one of many cars that Marion raced. Jack Larsen got it from Marion and has raced it in rotation with other cars he has. Wayne, Jack's brother, recently put is C/SA Mustang on the bench and races this car.

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OK, so we're talkin about one car that has been passed around.

Thanks for the info !

I've noticed more & more that many, if not most, of these old Pontiacs have been raced by many different owners. I'd like to see 'em all keep racing as long as possible.

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Can't believe nobody has mentioned Harry Axemaker. Didn't he win a couple of National events in the '80s? Believe he had a '72 Firebird.

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My vote goes to Todd Hoven's G/SA 72 GTOs performance at the 2008 US Nationals. Todd qualified in the top 10,but there was 4 other G/SA Barracudas right there with him. He took them out one by one,and put away Chuck Beach in the final. As the story goes he had one of those special metric transmissions shipped into Indy from California to help him. Quite a sight seeing his big old boat run down the Mopars that day.

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OK, continuing now with '68 Bird Stockers. There have been far too many to name. But I'll name a few. The first one I remember was Truman Fields Hard Times Bird, with which he won the '73 US Nats.

That same car also won the '77 US Nats, with Mike McKinney driving. I suppose that by now most Pontiac guys know about the sale/trade deal Truman made with Roy & Mike McKinney. They wanted to buy the car, but didn't have the money. But they did have another '68 Bird, which they'd been racing. So, they traded their car, plus some cash, and maybe even a motorcycle, for Truman's car.

Truman took their car & made it just a little quicker than his old car. He won his class at the '77 Indy race, which Mike won. Truman raced that Bird for a long time. Then a few years back, Todd Hoven got the car & raced it as a Truman Fields Hard Times tribute car. It now no longer has the tribute lettering.

The original Hard Times is now either being restored or has already been restored. So, the original will be a restored piece of Pontiac history, and the 2nd Hard Times is still an active Stocker.

The McKinney's built another '68 Bird for Super Stock, which Mike's son Marty is now bracket racing. I've posted pics of it on the SS thread.

If any of this is wrong, Todd will have to correct it. He seems to be the only one who knows all the details.

As I looked over the pics to post, I realize I may still be confused. The 1st pic is at the '72 Spring Nats. The 2nd pic is of Truman with a D/S class win @ Indy. But the decals are different than in the '72 pic. And he ran C/S @ Indy in '73. So, from what year is that class win ?

As far as I know, all these pics are of the original Hard Times Bird. The last 2 are of the resto. Obviously, I have no way to know what car was used in the resto. The last 2 pics could be of 2 different cars, as far as I know. I'll leave it there.

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So, the 2nd pic below shows an E/S '68. So, is this still the original Hard Times, with different paint ? Or is this the car they made into a Super Stocker. Or is this car, & the original Hard Times, and their SS/IA car three completely different cars ?

If I understand correctly, Truman raced this car in several different parts of the country, with several different paint jobs, over the years. The last race I know of that Truman raced a '68 Bird in, was the Gator Nats, which I've already posted about. Don't know how much more racing he did with it, before he passed it on to Todd Hoven. And I don't remember what kind of paint it had when Todd got it. Maybe Todd will post a pic of it right after he got it, before it was painted up to look like the original Hard Times. Or, maybe it was already painted when Todd got it ? Don't know.

Anyhow, I'll post pics I have showing different paint jobs. I ASSUME that all these pics are of the same car. The last pic is dated 2005.

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Thought that name sounded familiar. I posted a congrats to Sam Reuland for winning a race with Pontiac power, because his car was listed as a '71 Pontiac, & the pic I had matched the perm # of the winning driver.

But somebody posted that he was NOT driving a Pontiac. I should have suspected that something was wrong, when I saw a '71 Bird listed in B/SA, since I've never seen a '71 in B/SA. But, I suppose, at the time, I just figured NHRA had added some hp & they could now make B. Didn't take time to reason it out. Hey, it showed that a '71 Pontiac had won the race, so that was good enuff for me.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

Anyhow, I've got these pics with the names Axemaker & Reuland on 'em. There's a '71 Formy & a '72 Goat. Sam Reuland is the name on the windows.

Don't have a clue what either car did. Who knows more details ?

The number is from div 5. So, The Warlings or Scott Burton may know these guys & cars. Any of you guys friends with them, or know anyone who might have more info on the guys and/or the cars ?

Here's bit more info.

https://classracer.com/classforum/sh...3&postcount=12

How 'bout this ya'll. Harry Axemaker got his 1st Nat event win at the '87 Winter Nats, in the '71 Bird ! :cool:

"...The Stock final matched Norm Rollings (of Pomona, in a Corvette (his first national event) lost to Harry Axemaker, in a G/SA 1971 Firebird; it would be his first class win in eighteen years of trying..."

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/1987_NHRA_Winternationals

Discovered that they entered the Brainerd nat event, with the Bird, most of the years from 2008 thru 2016. David Reuland was listed as the driver in the earlier years. Sam was the driver the last couple of years. The times varied mostly from a half sec under to about 1/4 sec under. Not quick. But quick enuff to win. Haven't checked to see what was the most round wins they got at those races.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop

Found this that shows Dennis Axemaker in a '72 Lemans, & David Reuland in a '72 Pontiac. Don't know what year.

https://us.motorsport.com/nhra/news/...stock/1727331/

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I posted previously the info on the Axemaker Firebird. Here it is:

Here's the history on the white '71 Firebird:

Car was ordered through Schoon Motors in Luverne, Minnesota. Schoon Motors was owned by Arnie Toftland, a pretty successful Pontiac racer in his day. The car was ordered and purchased by Don Breen of Sioux Falls, S.D. specifically to race. It had very few options: 455 H.O. engine, heavy duty suspension and TH400 trans. It's also a radio delete car and came with a column shift, no console. The window sticker for the car still exists. Don and partners Daryl Vanderploeg and Greg White raced the car in SS/JA with engine work by Larry Nagel's Precision Engineering in Sioux Falls.

After racing it, the car was sold to Dennis Kohler from Sioux Falls and was driven on the street for several years before being parked. Don was looking to build another Firebird for Stock Eliminator and I told him that I knew where his original Firebird was sitting. Don bought it and did a beautiful job of turning it into a Stocker, running the low h.p. 455.

Don sold the car to John Spry, who was originally from Mitchell, S.D. John was living in Montana or Wyoming...not sure which. John repainted the car grey and raced it as a Stocker for several years. Harry Axemaker, also from Mitchell, S.D. and a friend of John's, brought the car back to Mitchell after it was purchased by Harry's brother Ken, who lives in Alaska. The car was repainted to it's original white by Dennis Axemaker, a brother of Harry and Ken. Harry raced the car for quite a while. When he was done racing it, the car was turned over to their good friend Dave Reuland from the Mitchell area. Dave also raced the GTO pictured with Axemaker and Reuland on the door. Dave and son Sam raced the Firebird for several years before deciding to do the silver Challenger.

Unfortunately, Harry passed away in late January of 2018. Ken Axemaker, the brother that owned the car, sold the car to Dan Johnson of Mitchell, who was a long time friend of Harry's. Dan and his grandson are now racing the car in F/SA with the low h.p. 455. Plans are to do a 455 H.O. engine in the future.

I may have missed a few details, but that's a pretty good over view.

Here's the car as it now looks:

https://i.imgur.com/ar87bX2h.jpg

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"... Harry raced the car for quite a while. When he was done racing it, the car was turned over to their good friend Dave Reuland from the Mitchell area. Dave also raced the GTO pictured with Axemaker and Reuland on the door. Dave and son Sam raced the Firebird for several years..."

So, who would be the best contact to tell us what races, if any, these cars won, other than the one I mentioned, and their best ET, with different engines ? Or, to ask it another way, who can give us the best account of both car's performance & accomplishments.

:...Dan Johnson of Mitchell,...and his grandson are now racing the car in F/SA with the low h.p. 455. Plans are to do a 455 H.O. engine in the future..."

Anybody have contact info for them, or know where they may have raced it, where I might could see race results online ?

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Kyle bought a Cherry white Grand Am ( liked Danny Ashley's car ) from my son Dean and picked it up at the LV, NY .. The car & trailer got rolled over outside
of Rochester,NY …. Kyle & his brother were OK but the roof & car was Totaled,
he found a 1977 lemans and put the complete drive-line in it ?? Dean's car was a mint street car that would run 1.10 under in the heat .. Kyle, was a very good Driver and Won several races including a Div. 3 Championship !!! I think Kyle went heavy into bracket racing after that ?? I almost bought it back about 8 years ago, but the deal wasn't right so I passed ? Later , I bought Bob's Michael's
car and that worked out much better !!!

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OK, I count 15 cars in G/SA. Here's the class elims, round by round.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

Thanks for mentioning that. It was very interesting. The highest qualifier took himself out with a red light. The next highest qualifier took himself out with a slow light. And, thankfully, Todd's GTO had his final round opponent covered by a hair, @ 1.278 under. Very exciting stuff ! Great job Todd ! I know that is an experience of a lifetime, you'll never forget ! :)

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OK, continuing with '68 Bird Stockers. Right now, I suppose Chris Stephenson has the hottest '68 Stocker. It's quick & he has won several big races. Usually qualifies strong.

There's a lot I don't understand about qualifying. It seems that some love to qualify near the top. But some really sandbag during qualifying, at certain races. I suppose some don't wanna call any attention to their car's performance, for fear of a hit. I don't fully understand the whole system, other than the 1.2 under deal.

Anyhow, I'll just point out a few of this car's achievements. The first time I noticed his name on a qualifying sheet, he was #18, at the '17 Southern Nats. Had never heard the name & didn't know the car. So, does anybody know the history of this car, before Chris got it ?

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

I suppose it was at Norwalk, in 2017 that I 1st saw Chris as the highest qualified Pontiac Stocker.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

The 1st big win I have recorded for him was at a div 3 race in Aug, '17.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

He made the Indy field @ #85 with a .997 under 10.553.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

He won the NMCA Stock/SS combo class at this race.

https://www.nmcadigital.com/2017/09/...-lsx-shootout/

And here's a little treat. It's a video of the final.

https://www.facebook.com/Gary.West.7...4863431408187/

At the last Pomona race of '17, he qualified #8 @ .969 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

And, he made it to the final, but had to settle for RU. But hey, he had a great year, I'd say.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop

At the '18 Virginia Nats, he qualified #3 @ .981 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

At Norwalk, he was #3 @ 1.027 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

He was .937 under @ the '18 US Nats.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

He won the big fall race at Vegas ! :)

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

Hey, if you can run a sec under & win a Nat event, I suppose you can say you had a pretty good year. :)

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Chris had another good year in 2019.

He qualified #3 at the gators @ .982 under. It was the quickest carb car on the list. Randi Lyn was 2nd quickest, and won the race !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

He ran .942 under & got the F/SA win, at the 4-wide Nats.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

Was #4 at theTopeka race @ .840 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

Ran 1.055 under @ Indy !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

Also made it to the 4th round, where his opponent made a near perfect pass.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

He was 1.004 under at this Vegas race.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

Also won the D/SA class, over Randi Lyn. There's no doubt about it, they're the top Pontiac Stockers in the country, today. They go to a lot of big races. They go rounds. And they occasionally win a big one.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r=100#indextop

How 'bout this for a way to finish up the season. At the Pomona finals race, he was #1 qualifier @ 1.174 under !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

I don't understand all about how the hp factoring system works. But, from what little I've read, you don't wanna have many 1 sec under runs, in a certain time period. So, I assume that's why Chris(and LOTS of others) was so slow on so many Q-lists this year. I suppose that's why the 330hp engine got 5hp removed, instead of them adding some.

It seems that some wanna go fast & set records, and some just wanna keep their combo competitive. I suppose it's been that way for a long time.

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Here's the Git-Go. Also found a better pic of the Greg Krause '74 GTO. Looks like he has John Force riding shotgun. :) Don't know if that makes his car go quicker or not.

The little 350 powered GTO's have done good, over the years. But I figure the huge hp hits have stopped others from building one. As Bill Rink said, it got so high he switched to SS. 277hp is ridiculous for that little low compression engine, IMO.

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OK, back to '68 Birds. Leo Glasbrenner has one that has done good. I assume he has mostly run the round port Ram Air II engine, since he runs C/SA a lot.

But some of the '68 guys swap over & run the D-port engine. I assume that most guys stay with the 330hp D-port 400, because the round port heads are so expensive.

Not sure what Leo's best ET is, in competition. I'll look up some past results & see what I can come up with. I do have a pic showing a 10.53 dial.

Last year he raced a late model in Stock, but still ran his Pontiac powered 4th gen in SS. Don't know his plans for this year. He's won some big races in Stock & SS. I'll check some results & see what I can find.

He won the Arizona Nats in 2012. Needed a real good package to win that one.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop

He won the Pomona, Nov 2015 race. Ran a 10.339 one round, on a heads-up C/SA run.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

Here's an All-Pontiac final he won at the spring Vegas race, in '16.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

He won the Sonoma race in 2018.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

In the 2016 Sonoma race, he got treed & had to settle for RU. His opponent cut his best light of the whole race.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

Here's a nice article about Leo.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=271343

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Another nice '68 belongs to Tim Gillespie. He drove it for a while. Now Julie Biermann drives it. Not sure of it's best ET. But it usually runs in the upper 10's. They run a lot of events in div 3. And they usually take it to Indy.

I'll look up some of the numbers & post 'em.

OK, she made the field at Indy this year, with a .901 under, 10.799.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

Last year, the bump spot was an .889. She missed it, with an .849.

She got the E/SA class win at the SPORTSnationals, in 2015. Pontiacs also picked up the G/SA & O/SA class wins. Both cars in the O/SA finals were Pontiacs.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

At the 2017 Midwest Nats, she was the highest qualified Pontiac at #15, with a .919 under, 10.781.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop

She was #15 at this race, with an .853 under, 10.697, in D/SA.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

She won a div 3 Lucas Oil Series race in 2016, in a heads-up E/SA final. Nice to have the quicker car, when it's heads-up.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

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See post #8

https://i.postimg.cc/pTWkGzMD/Scan237-Small.jpg

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Ron Sanders (Lumley & Sanders) Hardcore Pontiac racers