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Nmbr1GMfan 04-12-2020 03:22 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by FireSale (Post 612064)
Great video, guys. I watched this race on DR.TV

What are the two switches she hits just after the waterbox?
Who's idea was the glitter ball? That would drive me nuts.I have a couple of Dilbert dolls for my dash. One is The Pointy Haired Boss and the other is Catbert Evil HR Director.

She shuts off the fan and the alternator. She calls it the disco nova so she put a disco ball in there, she doesn't typically have distraction issues.

FireSale 04-13-2020 12:26 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Nmbr1GMfan (Post 612078)
She shuts off the fan and the alternator. She calls it the disco nova so she put a disco ball in there, she doesn't typically have distraction issues.

(Please don't shoot me)
Drop a Ford 302 in it. Call it the BOSS-a-Nova....
(recovering from multiple buckshot wounds)
Can't class race that build...
I'll go now...

Tim H 04-13-2020 03:23 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by FireSale (Post 612145)
(Please don't shoot me)
Drop a Ford 302 in it. Call it the BOSS-a-Nova....
(recovering from multiple buckshot wounds)
Can't class race that build...
I'll go now...

Nope, never gonna happen, recall the Reher-Morrison Maverick that ran in Modified with a Chevy 302 and was referred to as "The Real Boss 302" LMAO !

Frank Castros 04-13-2020 05:28 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
Great video!
Burnouts look good and look better progressively.
Does it seem that the shift points are a little too low?
Beautiful race car!
Autumn is a very cool kid!

Nmbr1GMfan 04-15-2020 10:23 AM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by FireSale (Post 612145)
(Please don't shoot me)
Drop a Ford 302 in it. Call it the BOSS-a-Nova....
(recovering from multiple buckshot wounds)
Can't class race that build...
I'll go now...

It's slow enough already!:D:D:D

Nmbr1GMfan 04-15-2020 10:39 AM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Frank Castros (Post 612178)
Great video!
Burnouts look good and look better progressively.
Does it seem that the shift points are a little too low?
Beautiful race car!
Autumn is a very cool kid!

Frank, it's usually 7400-7500 1-2 and 7200 2-3 and 3-4

Glenn Briglio 04-15-2020 12:09 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Nmbr1GMfan (Post 612327)
Frank, it's usually 7400-7500 1-2 and 7200 2-3 and 3-4

Have you tried shifting lower......those engines don't make power up that high.

Frank Castros 04-15-2020 01:55 PM

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Glenn,
Do you agree that In the video it sounds like it wants more RPM at the shift point?

Glenn Briglio 04-15-2020 04:46 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Frank Castros (Post 612344)
Glenn,
Do you agree that In the video it sounds like it wants more RPM at the shift point?

I agree that it likes what it likes to go fast period.Would need to see dyno sheet to get started on what it might like.

Mark Yacavone 04-15-2020 09:02 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Glenn Briglio (Post 612359)
I agree that it likes what it likes to go fast period.Would need to see dyno sheet to get started on what it might like.

I would say they ought to reverse the 1-2 rpm with the 3-4.

This wouldn't be from a dyno sheet..Just experience.

Dwight Southerland 04-16-2020 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 612375)
I would say they ought to reverse the 1-2 rpm with the 3-4.

This wouldn't be from a dyno sheet..Just experience.

It will go faster if you get it out of first gear sooner.

Nmbr1GMfan 04-16-2020 10:02 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Glenn Briglio (Post 612339)
Have you tried shifting lower......those engines don't make power up that high.

It goes slower shifting lower.

Nmbr1GMfan 04-16-2020 10:08 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland (Post 612391)
It will go faster if you get it out of first gear sooner.

This thing is such a dog in high gear you almost have to hold every gear as long as you can, if you shift 3-4 200rpm lower it will barely climb any rpm at all, just sits at 6800 and lumbers to the stripe. I don't know if it's the 1 goofy head thats on it or the cam. Hopefully we get some real dyno time at the end of the year to swap some parts and figure it out.

Glenn Briglio 04-16-2020 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Nmbr1GMfan (Post 612456)
This thing is such a dog in high gear you almost have to hold every gear as long as you can, if you shift 3-4 200rpm lower it will barely climb any rpm at all, just sits at 6800 and lumbers to the stripe. I don't know if it's the 1 goofy head thats on it or the cam. Hopefully we get some real dyno time at the end of the year to swap some parts and figure it out.

Something sounds off.........it should be making maximum power right around 6800 rpm.What rpm does it drop to on shifts.

Nmbr1GMfan 04-16-2020 11:04 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by glenn briglio (Post 612457)
something sounds off.........it should be making maximum power right around 6800 rpm.what rpm does it drop to on shifts.

5800-6000 Also Glenn in my previous post I meant to say drops to 5800 and won't move.

Glenn Briglio 04-17-2020 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Nmbr1GMfan (Post 612458)
5800-6000 Also Glenn in my previous post I meant to say drops to 5800 and won't move.

Clutch slipping?

Nmbr1GMfan 04-17-2020 10:34 AM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Glenn Briglio (Post 612461)
Clutch slipping?

Absolutely not. Just dead, no power.

Hacksaw 04-17-2020 12:14 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Nmbr1GMfan (Post 612474)
Absolutely not. Just dead, no power.

Camshaft ?

Jim Hanig 04-17-2020 01:15 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Nmbr1GMfan (Post 612456)
This thing is such a dog in high gear you almost have to hold every gear as long as you can, if you shift 3-4 200rpm lower it will barely climb any rpm at all, just sits at 6800 and lumbers to the stripe. I don't know if it's the 1 goofy head thats on it or the cam. Hopefully we get some real dyno time at the end of the year to swap some parts and figure it out.

where is the cam center line 105? how much flywheel 35 lbs 3.29 low? 5.38 gear.

Dyno 04-17-2020 02:24 PM

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Running out of fuel?

FireSale 04-17-2020 06:20 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
What does your RacePak tell you? Is it set up to log A/F and RPM? That would tell you what the fuel mix is doing at your shift points. Stock limits your cam lift but you can still move the valve events around.
Good luck.

HP HUNTER 04-17-2020 10:33 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
Piston to wall clearence?
Heads been evened up?
Who picked the lobes?


Respectfully I don't see how the MPH is any of the problem at this point.

1320/117=11.28

Don Kennedy 04-18-2020 11:30 AM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Nmbr1GMfan (Post 612474)
Absolutely not. Just dead, no power.

It looks like me I would get another opinion on the clutch just to cover bases . Call Rob Youngblood 208 880 6214 won't hurt

Rod Greene 04-18-2020 12:13 PM

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Todd your pm's are full. I agree with Don give Rob a call.

Greg Reimer 7376 04-18-2020 03:21 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
Something doesn't seem quite right if the car goes 6900 at 117.50. That's fast enough to indicate that the engine makes a reasonable amount of horsepower.You said that it has 5.14 gears and goes 6900. That almost seems to me that the car needs more gear. My 327 Chevelle in I/SA had 5.57's in it when I ran it at Pomona a few years ago, and it has a Glide with a typical stocker converter. It ran 7480 in the lights, and it felt like it wouldn't go any faster, it was pretty well done. That figures out to 68 RPM per MPH. I put 5.38's in it, doesn't sound like a huge change, but that is 61 RPM per MPH. The engine seems to like it better, although the first half of the track is about .03 slower. The overall result is about the same. Your engine seems to pull fourth gear OK, but a little more gear would make its job a bit easier. You have a car there that is consistent, and a consistent set of results run to run. Maybe moving the cam up might show some results. I don't think I would change too many pieces until I had some answers. The clutch would be one thing to investigate, how ever.

Glenn Briglio 04-19-2020 09:20 AM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
What rpm does it make max hp at? What rpm is max torque at? How is the torque at drop rpm of shift and how is torque curve on up from drop off rpm?

Nmbr1GMfan 04-19-2020 10:53 AM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Hacksaw (Post 612487)
Camshaft ?

I don't think so, same cam as it had before and this wasn't a problem before the engine explosions.

Nmbr1GMfan 04-19-2020 10:55 AM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Dyno (Post 612517)
Running out of fuel?

No, carries fuel pressure the whole way and has ample volume.

Nmbr1GMfan 04-19-2020 11:10 AM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Don Kennedy (Post 612605)
It looks like me I would get another opinion on the clutch just to cover bases . Call Rob Youngblood 208 880 6214 won't hurt


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Originally Posted by Rod Greene (Post 612612)
Todd your pm's are full. I agree with Don give Rob a call.

It's not a clutch issue, I've had it loose and tight and it still has issues pulling early in high gear.

Nmbr1GMfan 04-19-2020 11:29 AM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Greg Reimer 7376 (Post 612620)
Something doesn't seem quite right if the car goes 6900 at 117.50. That's fast enough to indicate that the engine makes a reasonable amount of horsepower.You said that it has 5.14 gears and goes 6900. That almost seems to me that the car needs more gear. My 327 Chevelle in I/SA had 5.57's in it when I ran it at Pomona a few years ago, and it has a Glide with a typical stocker converter. It ran 7480 in the lights, and it felt like it wouldn't go any faster, it was pretty well done. That figures out to 68 RPM per MPH. I put 5.38's in it, doesn't sound like a huge change, but that is 61 RPM per MPH. The engine seems to like it better, although the first half of the track is about .03 slower. The overall result is about the same. Your engine seems to pull fourth gear OK, but a little more gear would make its job a bit easier. You have a car there that is consistent, and a consistent set of results run to run. Maybe moving the cam up might show some results. I don't think I would change too many pieces until I had some answers. The clutch would be one thing to investigate, how ever.

Greg, thanks for the insight. I believe for what we have it makes great power and runs well, I have always thought the car needs more gear as it runs currently. I also believe if we had the old head that was broken on the engine now this may be a non issue. The car runs fairly well so messing around with the gear now when we're going to swap heads and manifold just to change the gear again isn't in my plan. The problem isn't so bad in good weather but Autumn says it's dead in 4th when the air gets bad. We do have a couple tuning things to try when we get back to racing, but since we'll be changing the setup with new heads I'll not get too far into it. Thanks again.

Rod Greene 04-20-2020 06:15 AM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Nmbr1GMfan (Post 612679)
It's not a clutch issue, I've had it loose and tight and it still has issues pulling early in high gear.

There is a formula that tells pretty close to how well your car is working. 1320/mph = ET

1320/117.5 = 11.23 So you are not getting the power you are making to the ground. Either your suspension is not working or your clutch.

More to the clutch than tight and loose.

Eric Voigt 04-20-2020 11:20 PM

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Really recommend you speak with Mr. Youngblood, you cannot go wrong

Nmbr1GMfan 04-20-2020 11:58 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Rod Greene (Post 612766)
There is a formula that tells pretty close to how well your car is working. 1320/mph = ET

1320/117.5 = 11.23 So you are not getting the power you are making to the ground. Either your suspension is not working or your clutch.

More to the clutch than tight and loose.

There are other things at play here that would account for a tenth or two reduction in e.t. we're not getting, she drives the car a certain way that isn't the fastest but it's her way and we're satisfied with it. None of which are making the car run like crap in high gear.

Nmbr1GMfan 04-21-2020 12:07 AM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Eric Voigt (Post 612839)
Really recommend you speak with Mr. Youngblood, you cannot go wrong

Eric, I've called Rob, seems like a great guy. We talked about quite a few things, clutches however didn't come up much, I don't typically call people and ask a bunch of questions when I haven't spent any money and don't intend to. No doubt in my mind that Rob would've answered all my questions... had I asked.

Mark Yacavone 04-21-2020 01:56 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Nmbr1GMfan (Post 612842)
I don't typically call people and ask a bunch of questions when I haven't spent any money and don't intend to..


I like this idea.

Nmbr1GMfan 12-01-2020 06:52 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
Well it's time we got down to business. Engine and trans are out and I hope to get a minute to get it on an engine stand sometime tomorrow or Thursday. Since we have one that doesn't seem to be on a timer our hopes are now set to build more power. I have a great driver and now we need to go rounds in a heads up format. Hopefully we have time to test cyl. heads and maybe a new cam before season fires up!
https://i.imgur.com/oe4Ehog.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BxH2amx.jpg

Nmbr1GMfan 01-04-2021 11:54 PM

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Happy New Year! We're plugging away here, slow but sure parts are rolling in.
https://imgur.com/2BSecrQ.jpeg
https://imgur.com/ZVy1Jo5.jpeg
https://imgur.com/CXaKQWX.jpeg
https://imgur.com/FeFdBSt.jpeg
https://imgur.com/Jxlc2fk.jpeg
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Marc White 01-05-2021 09:20 PM

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Glad to see you’re back at it. One of my favorite builds to follow.

Supershifter1955 01-06-2021 10:55 AM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
Happy New Year to you and your family as well Todd!!
What backspacing did you use for your rear wheels? We are getting ready to install our 12 bolt rear end and it looks like your fit on the inside of was just right tight. Thanks, Gary Howe

Nmbr1GMfan 01-06-2021 11:27 AM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
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Originally Posted by Marc White (Post 631196)
Glad to see you’re back at it. One of my favorite builds to follow.

Thanks Marc.


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