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Almost finished with the interior...home run or foul?

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Looks good.

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Slick looking. Does the seat back need to be braced to the cross bar or is that an ET/speed or class specific rule?

Dale

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The seat back is fully against the cross bar. I don't know of an effective way to bolt a factory seat back to a cross bar...our Camaro is the same with factory seats.

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Pull off the upholstery and make up/ weld a bracket to protrude through the back of the seat that will allow it to bolt to the bar?

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The white is a bit much for my tastes but it's your car so do whatever makes you happy. A for effort.

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There is very little to no metal in the seats to bolt to. Even in a '67 Camaro the seat back is merely some thin stamped vinyl covered metal attached to the back with one clip up top and two upholstery screws at the bottom. It would be a useless exercise for little gain in my opinion.

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Regarding the seat back, since you have the same type of seat in the Camaro you shouldn't have an issue with track officials on the Mustang.

Unless they are really upset when you pull up with a F**d in tow....;-)

Dale

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Come to think of it, I don't recall ever seeing a factory seat in a Stocker reinforced in the manner described. If someone has one or pictures of one I would like to see it.

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This is out of a 'Vett forum dated 2011. Very similar to your roll bar and seat set-up. Seat back contacts the cross bar and the headrest is fixed to it by a slip pin.

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/...post1577731913

Dale

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By those pictures Dale the seat back isnt even in contact with the crossbar...only the head rest adjustment sliders and I see no attachment pin you speak of. I'm more comfortable with my set-up (Mustang and Camaro) than those pictured in the Corvette. The bungs in the crossbar are for harness attachment...nothing connects to the seat back or headrest. This is confirmed when they state "full seat adjustability".

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The Camaro has a welded head support...

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The Mustang has an adjustable headrest...

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Your seat seems fine to me. I like the independently secured headrest in the Camaro better, though. It just seems like it would offer better protection in the event of a crash.

What does the tube running into the back of the Mustang's headrest mount too? It slides up and down on the crossbar attachment, correct? Looks like an impact could cause it to pivot to one side or the other. There should be two stock rods running down into the seat back for the headrest, but they aren't very secure on our family cars. But they are DOT approved.

General 10.6 addresses headrests. It says seats incorporating reinforced headrests are allowed. I'm not sure the Mustang set-up fits that. One of the illustrations included matches the Camaro headrest.

Dale

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I think it would be safer with the headrest attached to the seat so that the two don't move independently. Seems that a seat moving one way and headrest another could cause issues in a crash. I understand the Camaro seat is a low back with no head rest. I appreciate the factory look, but I personally would prefer aftermarket seats for safety and weight savings.
Looking good though.

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I finally figured a solution to mating the shifter to the console...expect the next photo's to show shifter, gauges and switches permanently installed. If I like this shifter as much as I think I will I may have to put one in the Camaro.

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Hopefully I made a good choice in rocker arms...don't have any experience with pedestal mounts. I'll mock up and check everything before ordering some thicker wall pushrods.

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They look just like my Scorpions.

Dale

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I've been over 7500 rpm repeatedly with those. No problems at all.

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Shifter now mounted solidly.

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Rich,
I hope those rocker arms do good for you because I sold them to you. They very well may be Scorpions as that is one of the companies that Ford Racing sources rocker arms from. Crane is the most common manufacturer but they also use Comp Cams and one other company that I cannot think of right now.
best regards, Roland

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After studying the rule book I decided to nix any future tech problems concerning a cold air kit by just using the factory air box and associated duct work. Just not sure the aftermarket plumbing would pass scrutiny.

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Spent the afternoon trying to figure out the mass of wiring in the engine bay...what a wad. Got the brakes bled...going to try to finish the wiring under the console tm and get out of the interior for good. I'm just hoping when I put a battery back in it the top will go back up lol.

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You can get rid of the air box and hose and use a K&N cone filter.

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But will it draw more heated air that way?

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Hey Rich those rockers are done by Comp, that is what I use on my motors had some issues with the broaching in the adjuster the allen wrench part and Ford sent me a new set. Have used other rockers but these are the best I have used, not a lot of manufactures make pedestal rockers that are adjustable. I paid 209 for my last sets I bought. Have you or anybody heard of people getting hassled on there intake tubes. most cold air kits draw air from the same place as the stock air box, from inside the right front fender. You can lose about 12lbs on your steering wheel for very little money by a grant steering wheel and adapter kit, I think I was only into mine about $60. Love the thread.

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I was concerned about using non-stock ducting...using the factory pieces I suppose it is a cold air set-up of sorts.

If I do anything at all with the steering wheel it will be removable like the one in the Camaro...sure eases entry. ;)

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I was wondering about the stock intake ducting, also. Seems like the rules are up for interpretation. Any one have some clarification?

Rick Thomason
GTOMayhem

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I'm wondering about this air ducting thing too.
It seems anything before the MAF is okay, or nothing there is okay too.
But if the original deal starts out behind the headlights, is that as far forward as you go with a hose? Or can you run the hose down under the front?
I assume that would be considered ram air and not allowed.

Anybody with any real time and space NHRA Stock/ Super Stock experience or rulings on this?

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If you talk to 5 tech people you will get 5 different answers.
Ask me how I know that.
Granted, I have only been to about a dozen div and national events with my car, but nothing from the throttle body forward is stock. No one has ever had a negative comment about. Airbox and tube has been replaced by a 4" OD aluminum 2 piece tube with the MAF in the middle. Clamp on filter is in the apron.

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I figured my solution would be beyond question...everything is as factory produced.

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Are you doing a fresh race motor or starting with what came in your car??

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Those factory air boxes are as much about sound deadening as air flow.
They can be gutted and cleaned up but the outlet is gonna still be the same size.

...And the inlet? If there's no air movement behind the headlight, as in many GM cars and trucks, then you might be better off with warmer under hood air, as opposed to a restriction up front.

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Building this one from scratch, but using the block, heads, intake and crank.

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Mark, the inlet to the box is in the fenderwell, not facing forward. As far as restriction goes I can easily do a back to back comparison once up and running.

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No, I realize this . I had a 91 at one time.
I was asking mainly because of a Chevy I have here .
You left the door open cuz you have Chevy in your title.
In other words, I wasn't really hijacking your thread.

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The only problem I see with the air box is the limited (3"X6") inlet vs a 360 degree surface area of a conical filter at the end of the tube such as Jerry's car. As far as heated air ingestion from the filter location vs the somewhat isolated air box...I suppose in the end it will probably be a wash in terms of performance. There appears to be no hard and fast rule regarding induction plumbing when it comes to these efi cars judging from previous posts.

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Evan Smith's car runs hard and he has been running it for a long time. Maybe you could pm him and see what he thinks.

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The engine photo I posted is Evan Smith's 93 Cobra R stocker.

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There ya go. Thanks Jerry.

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Spent the day tying up loose ends. Added a quick release steering wheel...what a difference it makes easing entry/exit. Fuel lines run and secured. Next is mounting the fuel cell and weight boxes.

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