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Larry Hill 11-05-2019 01:18 PM

Re: Dumbo The Flying Elephant
 
Yes

Larry Hill 11-11-2019 01:46 PM

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Sometimes plans change. I have fought with my Ill fitting CSR case shield the last time. It does not fit the block, bolt holes are off and will not fit the top of the case. I will fit a TCI one to the car. Now if I can only find my big hammer.

Dyno 11-11-2019 06:31 PM

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GREAT.! CSR was supposed to ship mine today for my 904. The CSR shield on my 727 case fit perfect. I'll report how it fits.

Larry Hill 11-12-2019 08:56 AM

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I will post a picture of my CSR shield.

The hammer job is done. A little paint will accent the Hammered Look.
https://i368.photobucket.com/albums/...9/IMG_2440.jpg

Frank Castros 11-12-2019 08:40 PM

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Fitted patina?

Jeff Stout 11-12-2019 10:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 601569)
I will post a picture of my CSR shield.

The hammer job is done. A little paint will accent the Hammered Look.

Swing press cover up

Larry Hill 11-13-2019 05:37 PM

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I'm not covering up anything. My goal is to be able to fix car between rounds if something goes wrong. In the rush to get to Indy It was install it and revisit this winter.

Completely off subject Jimmy, The Country Dog, is up here deer hunting. Each year Jimmy does a shrimp boil. This year beside the usual family and friends we had Bill Skillman this years Super Car champ. Fun was had by all

Larry Hill 11-26-2019 05:47 PM

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I got the shields in place, kind of a struggle but it is well worth it.

Jeff never heard it called a swing press but I like it.

All bolts start and can be tightened finger tight. I'm hoping to be able to change converters in less than I hour. Trans change will take a little longer.

340Cuda 11-26-2019 08:13 PM

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So did you end up using the TCI shield or the CSR?

Jeff Stout 11-26-2019 08:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 602804)
I got the shields in place, kind of a struggle but it is well worth it.

Jeff never heard it called a swing press but I like it.

All bolts start and can be tightened finger tight. I'm hoping to be able to change converters in less than I hour. Trans change will take a little longer.
I will get Patsy to post a picture or two.

I here people are still waiting for there CSR stuff since July, I bet it will take some "doing" to get it installed.

If a swing press won't fix it then get the gas axe out, it fixes everything. Some old boy in Missouri told me about these 2 tools

Larry Hill 11-27-2019 08:59 AM

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TCI

Working on heavy equipment I know about the ax, it has been my friend for years.

Larry Hill 11-28-2019 08:50 AM

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Engine is out, now off with its heads and other parts.

Larry Hill 11-29-2019 08:36 AM

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Got to go to the steel store today. I have to make fixtures for block strong enough to keep it level while I install torque plates.

Larry Hill 12-02-2019 09:20 AM

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Got it built. My 5.7 holds 43 oz. of water per side any more than that it runs out of the water pump passage. Still a lot to do before race day.

Alan Nyhus 12-02-2019 12:05 PM

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Larry, did you find the leak?

Larry Hill 12-02-2019 01:04 PM

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Not yet

Larry Hill 12-03-2019 08:40 AM

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A word of thanks to everyone that has helped, advised, did my thinking for me, text, called, posted, and joked. You know "How many Hillbilly's does it take to ..............". Thanks for helping me along and being a part of the team.

I really enjoy the tear down part of the engine it give me a new list of how and why this or that happened. Got to go Dumbo is calling

Larry Hill 12-06-2019 08:37 AM

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Since I'm the engine builder I will have to take the blame. A air leak, @ 45 psi, was found at block to front cover. Water flows both directions to and from water pump through front cover. Will check block and cover for flatness, O ring grove for depth and finish, and O ring type gasket for cuts. Reassemble and re check.

Checking tool was a blocked off water pump, 0-60 psi tire gauge, Schrader valve. Gauge was piped in.

denbreeden 12-06-2019 09:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 603392)
Since I'm the engine builder I will have to take the blame. A air leak, @ 45 psi, was found at block to front cover. Water flows both directions to and from water pump through front cover. Will check block and cover for flatness, O ring grove for depth and finish, and O ring type gasket for cuts. Reassemble and re check.

Checking tool was a blocked off water pump, 0-60 psi tire gauge, Schrader valve. Gauge was piped in.


Good job finding that leak! Better than a crack somewhere.

Dennis Breeden

Larry Hill 12-06-2019 01:56 PM

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Leaking in chain area

Dyno 12-06-2019 03:03 PM

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I would think that at 45 psi you could create leaks that normally would not exist. Check the oil drain back hole near the block water drain plugs. That is where the aluminum blocks have been known to leak water.

Doug Domm 12-06-2019 04:04 PM

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Maybe try using antifreeze vs water for testing. That stuff will find its way out of places water won’t.

Larry Hill 12-09-2019 08:10 AM

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Tried to installed new front cover, cam basket would not allow cover to seat against block. Going to machine cover for clearance, sounds easy. Just need to figure distance between cam and crank center line. Set mill up with riser blocks, 90* fence, remove front seal to pick up crank center line. Install bore head, fab tool, cut case 5.062 OD X 4.625 ID .060 deep on cam center-line. Piece of cake!

Reused old cover after inspection and cleaning with new seal. The block, heads, and water pump were holding 45# pressure for 30 minutes when I quit last night. Time to see if it leaked any last night, I'm crossing my fingers.

kansas stocker 12-09-2019 10:31 AM

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Really appreciate your early morning reports. They remind me of what I need to get done.
Pete

Larry Hill 12-09-2019 11:58 AM

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In 12 hours it looks like it lost approximately .1 lb. of pressure. Just one more case of assuming something is ready to be reused without being checked. Shame on Me!

I would say it was just another " Stupid old man trick " but I'm smarter than that. Just not that time.

Larry Hill 12-10-2019 07:53 AM

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PRI rest of week

Larry Hill 12-15-2019 05:51 PM

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Got remotivated at the PRI. Thanks I needed that!

Dave Turner 12-15-2019 06:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 603908)
Got remotivated at the PRI. Thanks I needed that!

Ah yes - PRI.....Pause, Reflect, Invigorate......carry on. ;)

Larry Hill 12-17-2019 08:19 AM

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I'm Happy to report the water leak may have been the best thing to happen to the engine. On inspection found the crankshaft key had way to much ware for a few dyno pulls and two 1/8 passes. Grove in crank is .187 key is .183 making the key .004 small and allowing the soft key to be deformed by impact from crank gear and pump drive. I was advised to get correct size key made from better material.

As said by my Uncle Al " It doesn't coast a thing to pay attention"

Jeff Stout 12-17-2019 09:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 603990)
I'm Happy to report the water leak may have been the best thing to happen to the engine. On inspection found the crankshaft key had way to much ware for a few dyno pulls and two 1/8 passes. Grove in crank is .187 key is .183 making the key .004 small and allowing the soft key to be deformed by impact from crank gear and pump drive. I was advised to get correct size key made from better material.

As said by my Uncle Al " It doesn't coast a thing to pay attention"

Good find. That could have hurt.

Michael K 12-17-2019 12:04 PM

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Looking forward to seeing this car next season.

Larry Hill 12-17-2019 05:20 PM

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All ready started receiving new parts from vendors at PRI show, great work from Brad Rounds and T&D.

Got three boxes sent off today. Everything should be back before the Gators.

Larry Hill 12-28-2019 08:51 AM

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Got some stuff done this week, filled the block. It was quite the ordeal with a thick cold like molasses filler. I still have the other side to do. I have some adjustments that have to be made to my tooling. First thing will be labeling all parts and locations assignments. Stupid old man trick, is thinking that I would remember where everything assembled on the block that I made a few weeks ago. For a while those few pieces of steel were smarter than me. Strengthening fixture to withstand 80 ft/lb torque and remain close to level on two axis. Do a better job of masking.

We spent a lot of time in December with medical appointments, not that we are sick, just are deductibles have been met for 2019.

Patsy was going to post pictures of progress but PhotoBucket has been down.

Larry Hill 12-29-2019 05:54 PM

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Made some adjustments and the fill of the other side of the block went much better.

stroudtom 12-29-2019 06:38 PM

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So you will run no water in the block? Is this typical of stocker setup?
Sorry if I sound dumb but I have no expericence in stock racing only bracket racing. Really appreicate your time posting the progress.

Larry Hill 12-29-2019 08:42 PM

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Problem is block is weak and cylinders won't stay round or straight. Fill still leaves 1-1/4 inch from the top for water circulation. It's okay to race with but not to go cruise with. Anything within the rules for a few more horses

Larry Hill 12-30-2019 10:05 PM

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Just got back from "Tommys Machine " in Springfield Tn. Tommy is back and upgrading plant and equipment. Everything is better, new insulated roof, great led lighting, new cleaning equipment, new Rotler hone with tv screen. Crank grinder with indexing chucks. Good service with fair prices

denbreeden 12-31-2019 08:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 604911)
Made some adjustments and the fill of the other side of the block went much better.


Awesome! I'll drop my block off next week, lol.

Happy New Year to you and Patsy!

Dennis

Larry Hill 01-01-2020 08:29 AM

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Come on down, I always heard two people can do it quicker than one! The real plus side of teamwork is that everyone has someone to blame.

DonatoEng 01-07-2020 01:38 PM

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Larry, what year is your DP ?
That flange in the tunnel must have must have been a cost savings in production.


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