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2015 After May.
At Bristol there was a unique situation. Michael Brand won his G/SA class, then made it to the final, which got rained out. Randi Lyn made it to the semi. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop At the Woodburn div 6 race, Leo was #5 & Lindy was #7. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop Brad won the race ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop At the Mile High Nats, Scott was #9 & got RU. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop At this div 3 race, Tommy Pettigrew was #9, and won the race ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop At the Northwest Nats, Bill Edgeworth was #5. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop At Brainerd, Randi Lyn was #13, won her C/SA class, & won her 3rd nat event Wally ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop At this Beach Bend div 3 race, Tommy Pettigrew was #5 @ - 1.027. Quite a few Pontiacs in this one. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop Adam Davis won the race, in his '73 455 powered Formy. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop At the 5th div 7 race, Brad was #5, and won the race ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop At the Fall Vegas race, Lindy was #15, but Scott won his 3rd nat event Wally. ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop At the Pomona Finals, Lindy was #9 @ - 1.014. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop Leo won his 5th nat event Wally ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop Pontiac Stockers did quite well, during the last half of the 2015 season ! :) |
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Before lookin at the 2016 season, I wanna go back & look at some of the oldies. There has already been mention of, & pics of Pontiacs from the '50's. So, I wanna look 1st at 1960 models.
Jim Wangers is a famous name in Pontiac performance history, as is Royal Pontiac. Well, for 1960, Jim had Royal prepare a couple of 389SD Pontiacs for strip duty. There was a red 4-speed car, which Jim drove, plus an auto car, which somebody else drove, if I understand it correctly. Most of ya'll know that the US Nats were held at several different tracks, before landing at Indy. And, they were just called the Nationals. In 1960, the Nats were in Detroit. Jim, driving the red car, won his his class & the eliminator title. The white car made the final, but was beat by a Mopar. https://www.oldcarsweekly.com/car-of...catalina-racer The Super Stock class, as we know it, was not yet established. Some of these Pontiacs were equipped with factory over the counter parts, that were not available as original equipment. They were simple bolt on parts, as I understand it. So, I don't know if they were considered "Stockers", in 1960, or not. Don't know if they ran a separate class, or as a class within the Stock Elim. But, they were certainly not the roller cam, aftermarket intake, aftermarket block, aftermarket head SS engines of today. And Jim was awarded the title of "Mr. Stock Eliminator", at the '60 Nats. https://www.sema.org/sema-news/2010/...liminator-1960 The pic I'm posting is quite famous in Pontiac circles. It pops up quickly on a Google search. |
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The deal with the factory parts upgrade is explained in more detail in this part of an Arnie Beswick bio article.
"... the 1960 Ventura was his first "specialty built" Pontiac. It was factory rated at 348 HP, however optionally included in the package was a set of heads and camshaft that raised the horsepower to 363. These parts were covertly shipped in the trunk of the car. It also came with what is believed to be the first factory installed 4 speed transmission in a Pontiac. Arnie, shortly after getting the car, drove to Daytona Beach, Florida for the NHRA/NASCAR Winternationals. The best in the land were here, so competition would be fierce. The window sticker was purposely left on the car to prove that it was not modified. The car was still protested, even by other prominent Pontiac racers. Additional build sheet confirmation had to be sent from Pontiac before he could receive the overall S/S award for the weeklong competition. By 1961, he was racing a new Pontiac that was absolutely unbeatable. He started out the year by traveling to Daytona Beach for the weeklong competition for the second time. He again won his class as well as going on to win the overall S/S eliminator title. In what was later another high point of the year, he successfully raced one of the most highly publicized Pontiac teams in the country. This was the Royal Pontiac crew from the famous factory supported dealer in Royal Oak, Michigan. It was a best of five match race. In spite of being an independent with no sponsorship, Arnie defeated the highly favored Royal team three straight times. He ended up the season going to Indianapolis for the NHRA nationals. He won in the S/S class, beating out everyone including Mickey Thompson, who was driving his personal SD421 Catalina. He complied too quickly to the automatic teardown of all class winners, and was disqualified for being a mere thousandth overbore on one cylinder as the engine hadn't cooled sufficiently yet..." |
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I suppose one of the winningest Pontiac Stockers of this time period may have been the Don Gay A/S 421 car. I've already posted about it. But, there were LOTS of early '60's Pontiac Stockers.
Don't have a clue as to how long some of these cars may have continued to compete. The only '60's big Pontiacs I remember competing in the '70's were wagons. I suppose the A & F-bodies took over all the classes the big cars could run, so the big cars just couldn't compete. |
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Off topic this 68 GTO (lot # 1440) is up for sale next week at BJ.Should go for a good buck!...gsa612
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Here's a couple of early '60's Stocker wagons. One of 'em is a record holder. Looks like they ran it in both H/SA & I/SA.
The other one appears to have either O/SA or Q/SA on it. Ya'll know of any other full size Pontiac wagons from the '60's that ran Stock ? |
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And let's give simple credit where credit is due. While we're doing mostly a trip down memory lane, in 2004 who had THE quickest Super Stock pure Pontiac in the country? And who developed the most powerful pure Pontiac Super Stock V-8 combination in history, still to this day, Me.
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OK, we'll return to modern times now, with 2016.
At Pomona, there were 5 Pontiacs in the top 16. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop At the Carquest Nats, Leo was #3 @ - 1.141. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Randi Lyn won another Nat, beating Leo in the semis ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop At the 1st div 7 race, Brad, Leo, Scott & Lindy were numbers 7 thru 10. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop At the 3rd div 2 race, Adam Davis was #3, & won the race ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop At the Spring Vegas race, Lindy was #4. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Had 3 Pontiac class winners. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop It was an All-Pontiac final ! :) :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Adam Davis also won the 4th div 2 race ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Michael Brand got RU at the 4-Wide Nats. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop At the div 6 race, in Idaho, Brad beat Scott in the semi, but had to settle for RU. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop At the Sports Nats, Lindsey Cramsey won G/SA, with Michael Brands '73 455 Formy. Also, several Pontiacs got class RU, including Scott Burton, who turned a 10.161. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop That gets us thru May. Pontiacs had a pretty good 1st half ! :) |
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2016 beginning in June.
Scott Burton got RU in this Stock/SS combo race. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Scott won the Thunder on the Plains div 5 race ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Ryan Warter was #1 @ - 1.066, at the div 6 race. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Brad Burton won the all Pontiac final against Ryan ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Adam Davis got RU at the Thunder Valley Nats. Randi Lyn made semi. Michael Brand & Tommy Pettigrew made qtr final. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Norman Warling got RU at the Mile High Nats. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Julie Biermann won this div 3 race ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Leo got RU at the Sonoma Nats. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop At the Northwest Nats, Brad won another all Pontiac final against Ryan. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Brad got RU at this div 6 race. Don Elgin made semi. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Had 3 Class winners at the Toyota Nats. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Another pretty good year for Pontiac Stockers. :) |
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OK, let's look at the 1st part of 2017.
I've noticed that many of these Pontiacs have changed hands, thru the years. Several have changed hands quite a few times. I've noticed quite a few, in just the few short years I've been keepin up with 'em, online. I remember reading in these Pontiac threads that some of you guys can just tell us, without even thinkin much about it, the 1st guy to race a car, & the next 2 or 3 owners, in the correct order. Sometimes the cars retain the same paint. Sometimes they are repainted, with a completely different color & look. Most of the time, I find out, when one driver name is no longer listed with a certain car. But a different name shows up as the driver of the same type car. This is just an observation, which has very little or maybe nothing to do with this thread. So, I'll continue now by lookin at the 2017 Stocker season. At Pomona, Lindy was #1 @ - 1.026. John Schloe was #7. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop At the AZ Nats, Scott, Brad & Larry were in the top 9. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop At the 1st div 7 race, Scott was #4 & Brad was #6. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop Scott, Brad, & Norman got their class wins at the Spring Vegas race. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop Randi Lyn got RU, at Topeka. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop Wow. That gets us thru May. The Pontiacs were still running good. But the drivers didn't do so great. :( But hey, div & nat event competition is fierce. I understand that. |
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2017 June +.
At the Mile High Nats. Randi Lyn got the C/SA win, & Norman got the auto combo win. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop Scott, Leo & Brad got their class wins at the Toyota Nats. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop Randi Lyn got RU. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop Lindsey Brand won this div 2 race, in Michael's '73 Formy ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop At the Pomona Finals, Bob Aceves was #4 @ - 1.034. Chris Stephenson was #8 @ -.969. Both guys ran '68 Birds. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop Chris got RU. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop That's it for 2017. |
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2018 --- Sorry for the length of this post. But, the 1st half of the year was so slow, I didn't think it would take this much space to do the whole year. Things picked up, during the last half of the season.
Michael Brand won his class at the Gators. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop At the Vegas div 7 race, Brad was #5 @ - 1.015. Scott was #11. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop Scott made it to the semi. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop At the Spring Vegas Nat, Scott won his B/SA class. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop Brad made it to semi. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop At The N.C. 4-Wide Nats, Randi Lyn was #5, & Brad Koivisto was #9. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop At his div 3 race, Bob Michael was #1 @ - 1.064, in his '77 Cat. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop At the Norwalk div 3 race, Chris Stephenson was #6. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop At the Fontana div 7 race, John Schloe was #8. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop At the Sports Nats, Rob Holmes & Bob MIchael got their class wins. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop At the Norwalk Summit Nats, Chris Stephenson was #3 @ - 1.027. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop Randi Lyn won the New England Nats ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop At the Mile High Nats, Norman was #3, & Chris was #7. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop Scott was RU at the Sonoma div 7 race. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop At the Sonoma Nats, Leo was #8, & won the race ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop Randi Lyn got semi. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop At the Topeka div 5 race, Brad Koivisto was #4, & Norman was #7. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop They had a doubleheader that weekend. For the 2nd race, Brad was #9, & Norman was #10. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop At the Northwest Nats, Chris was #5. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop The final was my favorite kind. It was a National Event All-Pontiac final. Randi Lyn was RU, & Ryan Warter won his 1st Nat event Wally ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop At the Lucas Oil Nats, Brad Koivisto was #5. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop Randi Lyn was RU. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop At this div 7 race, Norman was #1, & Leo was #5. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop Brad Burton won it ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop This was also a doubleheader weekend. Norman was #4, & Leo was #6. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop At this div 5 race, Brad Koivisto was #4, & Norman was #6. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop Norman got RU. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop For the 2nd race of the doubleheader, Norman was #4, & Brad #7. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop At the Toyota Nats, Scott was #10 & won his class, But Chris won the race ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop Pontiacs had a slow start that year. In fact, it was so slow, I decided to put the whole year on on this one post, which turned out to be a mistake. They came on strong, & had a pretty good year. Brad Koivisto had a great running '74 GTO. Norman Warling got his Cat running strong. Chris Stephenson established himself as a rising Pontiac star. So, anybody know the history of the '68 Bird he has ? |
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2019
At the Winter Nats, Randi Lyn was #8 @ - 1.002. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop Leo made it to the semi. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop At the AZ Nats, Randi Lyn was #4, & Leo was #6. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop At the 1st div 7 race, Leo was #10. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop At the Baby Gators, Adam Strang was #9 @ - 1.028. Thomas Strand, who bought Scott Burton's '70 Bird, was #14 @ - 1.014. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop Adam won his class. And Thomas was RU in his class with what may be the quickest pass I've ever seen recorded, for a Pontiac Stocker, in Stock competition. Can anybody post a link to one quicker than 10.135 ? I know the car recorded a 9.98 at a bracket race. Anyhow, it is the quickest Pontiac powered Stocker I've ever heard of. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop Adam Strang won 4 rounds of competition. That's extremely hard to do with a stick car. I think Adam has the only stick Pontiac still in competition. So, it's probably the quickest stick Pontiac Stocker, ever. Hey, that's cool. The quickest auto & stick Pontiac Stockers were in this race. :cool: https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop At the Gators, Chris was #3, & Randi Lyn was #5. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop And Randi Lyn won the Gators ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop At the Spring Vegas Nat, Brad Burton picked up his class win, on a holeshot. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop Brad also won the div 7 Vegas race ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop Chris picked up his class win, at the N.C. 4-Wide Nats. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop At the Idaho div 6 race, Ryan Warter was #2 @ - 1.129. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop Brad got semi. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop At this div 3 race, Logan Galbraith picked up his 1st div win, in the '74 Grand Am he bought from Don Turk ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop At this Fontana div 7 race, Pontiacs had 4 of the top 9 positions, + #13. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop Leo was RU. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop Billy Nees made it to the semi, in his 301 powered '79 Lemans. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop That gets us thru May. Pontiacs did pretty good. :) |
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2019 results, part 2.
Yes, I realize that anybody who wants to can look these results up for themselves, on DRC. But, I don't personally know anybody else who loves Pontiac V8 Stock/SS racing enuff, and has the time, who would look up these results & go to all the trouble of posting links to all the info, so that anybody interested can just click on the links to see the results. I am the guy who does & will. As long as these links will still access the DRC info, this thread will remain a source of at least a part of Pontiac drag racing history. There are LOTS of links here. I make mistakes. If ya'll notice that I have posted the wrong link, or whatever, please let me know, and I'll edit the post & correct the mistake. Let's begin with another big win for Randi Lyn ! Her 2nd of the year & 7th overall ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop At Topeka, Chris was #4. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop Brad won this div 6 race ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop Rob Holmes was #3, & Chris was #4, at this Indy div 3 race. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop At the Mile High Nats, Norman was #5. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop And it was an all Pontiac final !!! :) :) Dwaine Davis was RU, & Gary Riley was the winner, in his '74 Lemans wagon ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop Norman was #1 at this Topeka div 5 race. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop Julie Biermann was #7 at the Norwalk Summit Nats. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop At this Earlville div 5 race, Kevin Love was #3 @ - 1.031. Norman was #5 @ - 1.003. Brad Koivisto was #7 @ -.992. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop Randi Lyn got RU at this PA Nat event. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop At the Kansas div 5 race, Norman was #2. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop At the Vegas Fall Nat, Chris won his D/SA class. Randi Lyn was RU. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop At the Pomona Finals, Chris was #1 @ - 1.174. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop It was another great year for Pontiac Stockers ! :) |
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Also, I've noticed that in div 1, 2, & 4, there are very few Pontiac powered cars. And, of those few, not all of 'em make all the races. So, some races may have 1 Pontiac, or maybe 2, and some have no Pontiacs , at all. Because of this, I admit that I have not scanned every single div race. In div 4, I usually don't even scan all the big races, cause there are seldom any Pontiacs entered. Also, there are smaller Stock/SS combo races, open races, & probably a few other types of races I don't know about, and/or don't have access to the results. . Therefore, I ask again that if anyone here knows of a Pontiac win I miss, please post that info. Just learned of a 2016 div 1 win that I missed. Todd Hoven won it, with his '68 Bird. It's the car that I had so much trouble getting the correct ID on. So, if I have it straight, it is the car that Roy & Mike McKinney, traded to Truman Fields, in the deal where they got Truman's '68 Bird, with which he had won the '73 US Nats. Truman, then took that car & got it running quicker, and raced it for many years. He won the C/S class with it, at the '77 US Nats, the same year that Mike McKinney won Stock, with Truman's original Bird. So, many years later,Todd got it, & it was painted & raced as a Truman Fields "Hard Times" tribute Bird, for a while. Then, it was returned to an original green color, without all the lettering, and Todd continued to race it for a while. Then he began to drive a Mopar for someone else, and Duane Hoven drove the Bird. At, least I HOPE, I have it all straight now. :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop |
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While lookin thru some old DRC files for SS Pontiac info, I ran across this.
At Bristol, in 1999, Lee Bannister won Stock at this FMDRS race. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop In 2000, he was #10, on the nat Stock points championship list, with only 5 nat events entered. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop He won the Castrol Nats ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop Also says he won 2 nat events in 1999. I'll look those up. OK, 1 win was at the Gators ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop The other was the Fall Nats ! :) https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop Haven't found out how he finished in 1999 points. |
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While looking thru the DRC archives for Pontiac SS wins, I also check most of the Stock winners.
I found that Neil Smedley won the Spring Vegas nat event, in 2001. He drove a 301T Bird. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop Bryan Phillips won this FMDRS race in Bakersfield. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop Rob Holmes won this div 3 FMDRS race. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop At this FMDRS race, Peter Biondo pulled off a Stock/SS, all Pontiac powered sweep, driving the Biondo '78 Bird to the Stock win ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop Accidentally ran across this Q-list. Paul Dilcher was #2 @ - 1.193. Dave Ribeiro was #16 @ -.998. Both had '78 Birds. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop At the 2002 Mid-South Nats, Lee Bannister got RU. Said he had a total of 4 Nat event wins. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop |
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Hey ya'll, look what I found !
At the '03 Super Nats, Al Vanis won Stock. Most non-Pontiac guys will have no idea why I think this win is significant. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop (1) Al Vanis won the US Nats, in a Pontiac powered Ventura, back in the mid '70's. (2) This win was also in a Pontiac powered car. This time, it was a '77 Lemans. The reason that's significant, is because many of the Pontiac guys/families from the past, have long since switched to other brands. (3) Check out his RT's. He cut two perfect .000 lights, then a .012 light, in the final. For all these reasons I just think this was a real cool win ! :cool: |
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I suppose that is an experience most of the younger guys missed. The spots were measured in feet, rather than fractions of a sec. NHRA specified how many feet the spot would be, between any 2 classes. The biggest spot I ever got was between my '69 Goat & a 4cyl Pinto. IIRC, it was supposed to be 410 ft. The track was not marked off that far. The flagman guessed at it. Road down the track, on the front fender of the Pinto, to the distance he thought was right, & started the race from there. Don't know how close the distance chosen was to being correct. But, I got to the finish line 1st. :) It's just 1 of those racin experiences I'll never forget. Sure wish we'd made pics of those flag starts. http://eastcoastdragtimeshalloffame....-of-the-green/ |
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While lookin up SS results, I found that Lee Bannister qualified @ .852 under, at Belle Rose, and made it to round 4.
https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop And I read that he won at least 4 nat events, with that Bird. So, that car & driver did very well. Would love to know what smaller races he won with that car and with any other Pontiacs he raced. I noticed that NHRA lets some small things go, on some cars. For example: This car has a Formula hood, with T/A Fender vents. I know of a car that runs as a '73 Formy, which has '71 Bird fender vents. And, I know of another Pontiac which has no front turn signals. I assume that NHRA techs figure there is no performance advantage, so unless a competitor complains, they just let it go. I know that in the old days, some NHRA techs were a LOT more picky about details. Appears that the name of Lee's car is "Bushwacker". |
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So, exactly what was the difference between classes like S/S, OS/S, & A or B/FX. Can anybody here explain the rules for all those classes ? Here's the best explanation I've read, so far. "...The factory drag wars were just heating up in 1961, and for the Nationals, the NHRA introduced the Optional Super/Stock (OS/S) class for cars using special factory components that were not yet factory equipment...In 1962, OS/S became the Factory Experimental (FX) category..." For Pontiac, I suppose those "special factory components" would have been 421SD parts, which were not an option on the body being raced. |
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Besides the S/S, OS/S, S/SA. A/FX, & B/FX classes that have already been discussed, the old big Pontiacs ran some regular Stock classes, too. Below are some pics of big Pontiacs, in several Stock classes. I suppose that all these cars had some form of either a 389 or a 421 engine.
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My machinist friend passed away unexpectedly over the summer. His widow sold off most of his equipment. Customers have received their parts back and the shop is almost empty. I don't know exactly what is left, but there is a cache of Pontiac stuff unclaimed. If anyone is interested, PM me.
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After giving it some consideration, I've decided to include the very early S/S, OS/S(& similar designations), as well as the early FX classes, in the Stock section.
The main reason for this is because, as I understand it, the engines & engine parts were all Pontiac factory parts, with GM part numbers. And these parts actually came on later Pontiac model cars, which could be bought by the general public. So, in light of the fact that the FS cars, from recent years, are included in the Stock class, I feel that those early classes are just as, if not more "stock", than these late model FS engines. Don't think those early model engines were allowed to have aftermarket parts, such as aftermarket intakes & roller cams. Hey, I could be wrong. But, anyhow, I'll include those early classes in this Stock section. For those who disagree, you can consider 'em Super Stock cars, if you wish. I don't know who raced the 1st Pontiac, in any of those classes. But, 1962 is the 1st year that comes to my mine. I think I've already mentioned a couple of these cars. The 1st that comes to mind is the little 421 powered M/T Tempest. It won the A/FX class at both the Winter Nats & the US Nats, with different drivers. Also, the wife of the US Nats driver, won the S/SA class, in a full size Pontiac. Then, in '63, Pontiac actually installed the 421SD engine into several Tempests & Tempest wagons. |
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I have no idea how many of these classes Arnie Beswick ran. But several, for sure.
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Found a few more Pontiac Stocker pics. The White bros raced in both Stock & SS. They ran one or more early '70's A-bodies. They'd swap front metal, so they could run as a '71 T-37, a '71 GTO, or a '72 GTO.
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Gary Moore had several Pontiacs named "Acre Maker".
The White bros also ran a '71 Formy. The last pic also shows an early '70's Formy, with a real good pic of an old 5-Amber tree, like we used back in the '70's & '80's. |
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One thing I've learned from these Pontiac threads is how some of the cars are passed on & raced by the next owner.
This is one of those stories. We went to the IHRA World Nats, in Amarillo, back in '75 or '76. We saw & made a pic of a '68 Bird. It had Lyndel Warren on the side. Just found out, from this article, that Lyndel had bought the Acre Maker II '68 from Gary Moore. Set records & won races with it. Later, he also bought the Acre Maker Formy & was #1 Qualifier at the Winter Nats, in '78. https://www.hotrod.com/articles/0408...tiac-firebird/ Lyndel named the 2nd gen car the "Coke Machine", I assume because he worked for the Coke soft drink company. |
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