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Drop all the wording and just put this on it...

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/q...ghtymouse3.jpg

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not exactly :)

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A few mins of daylight for the Super 10. This is the canvas Michael Beard will use for the design.

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The goal, truck on chassis table, at ride height, with rear wheels removed. How do you take an accurate, yet easy measurement of axle center so the axle is same height off table if the wheel is attached.

Simple, a laser pointer. With wheels on, point laser at axle center, raise truck, remove wheels, set up stands so that laser points to axle center :)

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Mighty Mouse would be killer on that bed cover. ;)

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Clever. Too bad my "shop" (aka garage) doesn't give me enough room on either side of the car to fit the level. My build would have made a slap stick movie.

BTW: I named my car and developed a logo for it. Optimist Prime.

Dale

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A few updates. Work is coming along steady these days. The last 2 - 3 weeks I have worked on a number of small items that take time, are important, yet do not show much progress like the big items do. When working the small stuff it is important to remember that ALL systems, ALL items are important.

First photo shows rear of bed items roughed in and the beginning of wiring runs. At the far right notice a ground terminal strip. A handy item to ground all components in the rear section. The strip is connect directly to battery negative with a 10 gauge lead. All rear component grounds branch out from there.

Second photo shows front motor plate bracket

Third photo is mid plate tab.

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In other news; coming soon is the engine build. All engine components are machined and in hand except for heads and intake. Those will be in house soon.

*Bill Mitchell piston forgings worked by REBCO. So good looking they should be outside the engine :)

*A factory 327 crank worked by Mile High cranks.

*Dart SHP block

*Comp Cams special super stocker grind for high RPM 327 combo, "plenty" of lift yet stable.

*T & D rockers of the proper ratio

More soon, please stay tuned.

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Larry,

Are you using a Jesel Timing Belt or just a standard chain with cover?
If you are using a Jesel Belt or timing cover, you may have to revisit your front plate installation.

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I have decided to run a Roll Master chain set. I have used them with several other builds. All perform as expected.

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Great choice. Saw one used in a 900HP engine for two years and it did not stretch.

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Are you using the Rollmaster unit with the two-piece cam gear that is adjustable?

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Dwight,

yes, have run several of those sets. All give good service, are easy to dial in exactly the cam setting you want.

In addition, I install the Cloyes two piece front cover with adjustable end-play button.

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another example of small items that are very important and time consuming.

The photos appears to show the "just in time switch" in an awkward location but when seated it is just right. The mounting bracket is simply a piece of sheet metal cut and formed as needed. Not visible is a triangulation brace leg on the right side of bracket.

The toggle switch is a "burn/race" switch. Down is line lock only, up is both line lock and trans brake.

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The wiring of line lock and transbrake together is not permitted in SS or comp eliminator.

Also, why use a timing chain when rules permit the use of a belt drive? When building a class vehicle, need to maximum advantage of the rules.

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Is that toggle a three position (up-on/center-off/down-on) master power switch for your line lock and trans brake switches? I have a similar setup on my Mustang using seperate master power switches for those circuits. They let me disable either line lock and or TB when I don't need them. Since the actual switches that activate the LL and TB are seperate, I believe it's OK tech wise.

My car's street legal so the wirings a bit of a rats nest with all the turn signals and such running off seperate switches, so tech will have a fit with it anyway. At least I labeled everything.

Dale

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It's not okay. Like Fred said earlier, there must be wire and circuit separation separation to both the line lock and transbrake. Tech will check and trace the wiring for separation.

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No problem about the trans brake - line lock activation. I will change that. Doing so is common in bracket racing so I should have doubled check the rule book.

The timing chain - timing belt is a personal choice. Either set will win races.

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Updates for this week,

* finished the brake plumbing. All lines run, brakes bled, good pedal.

* Lower control arms modified to accept AFCO double adjustable shocks built by Randy Mans "Fast Shocks"

* Moroso #47130 springs installed which is a 212 pound spring. They are installed out of the box. When the completed, race ready package sits on the floor the spring will be cut as needed for desired ride height.

* Fuel lines plumbed from cell to regulator location

* Most of the wiring is roughed in, most components mounted.

* Air lines and shift solenoid wiring/plumbing completed.

More progress reports soon.

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Larry, like all of us out here, I've truly enjoyed following along on your build. The truck is progressing very well, and your postings have been entertaining and educational. The craftsmanship and thought that have gone into this project is appreciated by us as well. Can you tell us about the engine for the Super 10, is it a bullet that you've had sitting around or from another race car or is it brand new? Have you got any dyno time on it? Just curious if you can enlighten us on your chosen power plant. Thanks for any info.
Danny Durham

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Danny,

I will begin posting engine build photos soon. Just a few weeks away from assembly and checking and installing.

During the project planning I considered all the common SBC packages. While several are proven and capable of winning I settled with the package that uses a Holley carb.

I chose the 327/300 for the 1966 Corvette [and others] that allows the superseded Quick Fuel 585 carb.

I got with Gary Hettler for heads and intake. In addition, Gary has been a key resource for engine parts selection. He has a combination of proven parts that will give good performance without trying to re-invent a package.

I will do the final mock up and final assembly. While dyno testing is an option, the initial testing will be on-track. If it performs acceptably the focus will be refining the package to win races.

The race ready truck will be about 3255 pounds with driver and fit in GT/TC with an index of 11.10.

I expect the truck to qualify well and be capable of winning.

Some of the parts:

*Dart SHP block with BBC cam bearings and .904 lifter bore
*Mile High Crankshaft race prep w/.012 long stroke
*Manley rods
*Bill Mitchell piston forgings worked by REBCO machine
*Total Seal .043 x .043 x 3mm
*Comp Cams special SS 327 grind
*T & D Rockers
*041 heads by Gary Hettler
*Victor E intake by Hettler
*Quick Fuel carb, pump, regulator

More info and photos soon.

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I like simple items that are also very useful. We have two race cars fitted with these connectors. In addition, the clamps can plug on so the charger goes both ways.

The jumper wires for connector to battery are both 4 gauge, because of the lighting the black looks smaller.

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I am poised for another good round of progress. The next two weeks will bring completed wiring, completed plumbing, and engine building post.

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We're going to hold you to that, Larry!
Danny Durham

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Hey Dragsinger, your build is looking good ! A quick question .. . I know with Jeffie's computer programming expertise he'll be able to redial in a heartbeat for you but have you considered the possibilities of bringing the finished weight of car and driver down just a little ? I'm wondering if you'd have just a bit more flexibility if you dropped the weight from the interior say 50-75 pounds ? Just wondering....BTW looking Good !

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YEA! Celebration Friday! Hettler heads in the house. Finished prepped Dart SHP Pro block, in the house :)

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Billy,

I agree, a fluid interior is an excellent goal.

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It begins, the Super 10 engine build.

*Dart SHP Pro block with BBC cam journals and .904 lifter bore
*Factory 327 shaft worked by Mile High Cranks
*Comp Cams special grind for 327 super stock

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These photos show the Rollmaster adjustable timing set. plus making ready the setup to find TDC and degree the cam and verify the damper timing mark.

My degree wheel and pointer have many builds to their credit. I estimate having used them for about 40 years :)

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Never mind. Nice build.

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A super stock 327 Friday

*Photo #99 Cam installed properly

*It has been said that the 327 combo likes intake lift, photo #100 shows I have "plenty" :)

*Photo # 101 = T & D Rocker set mocked up for checking and pushrod fitment. Pushrod set 3/8 x .125 will be ordered from Smith brothers.

*Photo # 102 = Crower Maxi lifters .903 dia, bushing not needle bearings. [we will keep a close eye on these and report results]

I am pleased at this point, all critical dimensions and clearances are checking out as planned. A good thing.

I expect to have the engine assembled and installed shortly.

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How do you simulate head gasket thickness for mock-up and measuring when you do not have a gasket of the estimated thickness?

Easy, stack valve spring shims on a few head studs. In this case .030" shims showed me what I needed to know. [I need an .028" gasket]

Also, notice my doubled up checking springs. I have learned that in some situations the single checking spring does not have enough tension. If a valve seal is slightly snug or a valve stem has a heavy coat of thick assembly lube the checking spring may not follow the cam leading to inaccurate measurements.

The double springs assure your measurements are consistent. If you have ever had the experience of degreeing a cam and the results keep slightly changing this double spring tip may help.

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Thanks for the great tip on shims vs gasket! :)

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If you go to an old time hardware store, you can find all kinds of springs for sale and often a mfr source you can contact if you do not find what you want. I have a selection of different pressure-rate-length springs that I have used depending on conditions. As a rule, the springs provided in the various kits or sources in the hot rod industry are too weak.

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Dwight, Thanks, good tip.

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Using just and inner spring works well also. Enjoying following your build. Thanks for taking the time to share.

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I usually check mine without the head gasket then add back in what ever gasket thickness I am using. That way you know the head is sitting flat on the deck. I have made it a habit to check all 8 holes on an initial build too.

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Darrin,

It is fun to post and update and I enjoy hearing the positive comments.

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A good day for shinny parts :)

*Ring end gaps all set

*Pistons going on rods. Note installing double locks, "stretch" locks slightly and using a small blade you can work them right in. Just takes patience and care. I know about the $300.00 plus dollars install tool but I can not justify something that only takes a few mins and I already have a small screwdriver:)

*Rings going on pistons

*Engine going in truck very soon!!!! Yea

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I like the Cloyes front cover having installed it with several different engines. It incorporates an adjustable, needle bearing cam end play button.

It also gives the option of cam center line adjustment by removing the center cover.

With this engine I have the cam advanced as far as practical [101.5 - 102] given the intake valve to piston clearance available. With feedback from cam and cylinder head builders that is most likely where it will run best so I do not expect to change that setting.

Today four pistons were installed and the other four are ready to go in tomorrow.

Then, oil pump and pan, bolt heads on, ------