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Do fast car have an advantage? Probably, you have your competitor in sight at all times: the slower car has the disavantage of leaving first, if he red lights he's done regardless if the faster car red lights worse than him. I think that's an unfair disaventage for a slower car. What should be done is to change the right light rule to mirror the first or worse rule this sport was built on. Let's make the worse light offender, the loser. The faster car wouldn't see the red light until he's made his start and then if a red light had come on in the other lane the worst would be shown. Let's make it fair on everybody, brackets to class. I know that this has been debated until everyone is tired of hearing this being recycle every month, but the ever high cost of racing is being push up because everybody wants the faster car causing so people to be pushed out of racing. This is just my opinion and I know what they say about opinions. Claude Ruel
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where's the ignore button.....
_______________________________________ Andy Stone 1102 A/S 1112 SS/C |
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I'll bet you are one of those slower cars that gets chased all the time.........................Where is Art, he would be all over this topic.....................AGAIN!!!
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Makes no difference. Not going to change. Don't like it? Build a faster car or quit. Whining on a message board won't do a thing.
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Claude,please put a fork in it before Dedman wakes up again, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"Cut me Mick" -Rocky Balboa
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whaaa!! Whaaa! Whaaa!
I just lost to a double red light AGAIN! DADDY! HELP ME DADDY!! I FELL OUT OF MY CRIB!!! :p |
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Where's the "Beating a dead horse" smiley at?
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I just want someone to explain it to me properly why it's ok to give your opponent such an advantage. I've always wanted to know, just because we've always done it before doesn't make it right. I'm not crying Lee, I love the chase either way, just please explain it properly for this slow minded pain in the butt feeble racer. Thanks Claude Ruel
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Does not matter. It's not going to change. Get over it or go do something else. Debating it won't change a thing. Go debate with the people that make the rules: NHRA. The people here have nothing to say about it. Makes no difference what anybody here thinks. Just does not matter what is said here. Get it?
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Claude,what class and car do you race in stock or superstock?
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I agree it does not matter But I will say this. It is a advantage if the slow car goes red but if he goes green and the faster car has to sit there for a long time before the tree comes down whos advantage is it then? Ever sat at the tree for over 10 seconds waiting for your turn? Its not easy either. I dont race S/SS but this rule will effect everybody.
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Thanks Rob, I guess with old age you forget things, that a great light from the slower car might cause as much stress to the faster car which in turn will equalize. Mr Kvass I ran a g/sa in the 80's to 90's and was building a m/sa but will probably stay in brackets for now. Ok, guys let's put a fork in it, you're right and I've got my answer. Thanks. cR
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Claude,I don't spell my last name like that.
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Shawn , Claude's a good guy. I'm sure that's a typo. He'll edit it if he sees this.
I heard that Isaac Zane had to change his name to "Issac" , thanks to this forum. LOL |
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Sorry Shawn, hope you won't mind me using your first name just an mistake. Thanks to everyone.Claude
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The "professionals" who are in a position to bring to fruition an improvement such as this, have NO INTEREST in fairness, ethics, or any other high-minded changes to idiotic rule situations such as this, UNLESS they can figure out a way to make some more cash out of it (and obviously, they can't.) If the powers that be (now,) had been running things back when the Christmas tree was first implemented, when the rule was "the first car to break out loses," it would still be that way... believe it! There was no software extant (look it up, ED) at that time to facilitate a worse red light rule, so they did what they could at the time (which was NOTHING) and it, over time, became the "industry standard" and people (like me, for instance) just accepted the fact that it couldn't be fixed at that time, and got used to it. For 47 years. Now, people who have grown up with it, say, "If it aint broke, don't FIX it." Well, it IS broke; they just can't see it.... and NHRA could NOT care less. Now that it CAN be fixed, I think it's the most exquisite irony that it'll never happen. So, yeah, it's here to stay.... Just my opinion, but that's what this board is for... |
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Were they whining when they approached NHRA to weigh the drivers with the cars, to stop the inequity of an advantage the lightweight drivers had over the big guys? I don't think so... Were they whining when the "first car to break out" rule was in effect, and needed to be a "worst breakout rule?" I don't think so... This "first redlight" rule is at least as bad as either of those, but pointing it out and suggesting that it be changed so that EVERYONE has the same chance to red light, is "whining." Sounds like semantics (look it up, ED) at its worst... But the absolute worst part of all of that "you're whining" rhetoric, is that NOBODY who writes on that side of the ledger, ever has posted ONE reason not to change it; instead, they choose to KILL THE MESSENGER with character assassinations and claims of "whining." It's so transparent... |
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Forget the worst red light, let's allow deep staging. What a FARCE to make THAT illegal. Guess they just didn't want slow cars to have a shot. It would be tough enough to deep stage being the slow car with courtesy staging and autostart, isn't that enough of a disadvantage to allow it?
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I stage dead shallow and leave on the bottom bulb too. I also like looking at a clean tree. To me, that is my advantage to leaving first and taking the chance of being the first to go red.
Now why can't we talk about something like the shameful purses we have to run for. If we're going to discuss something that doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of happening anyway why couldn't it be the purse? |
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Thanks a lot Claude.You had to crank him up again.Quack,quack,quack,quack,quack,quack.
I also stage shallow and have no problem hitting the tree.That's with 60's in the 1.74-1.80 range. Oh and what Billy said. |
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Bill, approaching NHRA as I mentioned and whining on an Internet message board are two different things. Going on & on about it here does nothing. More people wanted cars weighed with the drivers than want this changed. Remember the poll done here? Most racers do not want or care about this. Get over it. Not going to happen. I would like to take long showers with Pamela Anderson too. That ain't gonna happen either.
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I would like to take long showers with Pamela Anderson too. That ain't gonna happen either.
Ed,you little devil you. |
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"run"!?!? did you change your mind about running a stocker? |
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Yes, and Toby won his very next race after deep staging was banned. Does that mean that the option should be totally removed for everyone? I think not. Every one of these bogus rulings, tech over reaches, going against the printed rule book, phony factory combos and horsepower ratings, ...you end up making the whole deal more expensive. Then you lose a few more good racers. Whadda ya got now? |
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