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Maybe someone else has also noticed this, but have they changed the AHFS again or did I just miss the final ruling. A few months ago the AHFS stated that the quickest run of the event over 1.15 would count toward a review if done twice in one review period at different events not twice at one event, now it says...

"Final qualifying and elimination runs of 1.15 seconds or more, under the index, at NHRA national events will trigger an automatic review. (The combination must make at least two runs of 1.15 or quicker before a review is triggered to prevent a "one time fast run" from triggering the system.)"

From reading the above statement it sounds like they will count all runs over 1.15 even if it is at the same event to trigger a review

Another part saying all class runs also will count is gone.

Maybe I missed something, or do I not understand the new system.

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Kenny, I'm not sure what their interpretation of that stupid system is this week but they need to scrap the damned thing IMO. Its basically keeping me on the sidelines, who wants to go out and get himself hit? The AHFS is destroying the backbone of our eliminator and they are turning it into a saturday night bracket race.

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Kenny,

They must not have updated that page yet. Only the quickest run in the engine family counts and all runs count including class. Copy and paste this link to read it all.

http://www.nhra.com/content/sportsma...5919&zoneid=85



Jim McBean

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Jim C, its very confusing.

I have to agree its a tough system to work fairly for everyone and it does put a limit on making a combo fast. In your case there are way to many running your combo that are fast. To be honest its not much fun running someone that has that kind of handicap. Knowing they can't reach there full potential because they will get hammered with hp.

Jim M, thanks man.

I was wondering where that one went. Now which one are they using?

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If this is now the case. Then the more popular the engine combo, the bigger screwing you will get. How the hell does that make any sense. Seems to me it's backwards. Jimmy I agree this is starting to make me sick also. I wish there was a know cure for this disease I have had for thirty years. Barry Parker

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I think they should go back to an eight person committee on horsepower decisions. There has got to be human input to make final decisions in these matters. Maybe I'm just part of the old guard that is being ushered out, but to me qualifying and class eliminations is an important part of why I love this sport.
We need to be able to race our cars, thats why we work so hard to be here.

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Jim, I"m part of the old guard also. I agree with you 100%. We need to do something. The only fun we can have now is to run Top Stock and its going to rain this weekend at atco. Barry, can't wait to see you! Heard you have some new unleased horsepower!!! Gary was filling me on at Gators.

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Maybe Evan Smith can chime in and help clarify some things...it's beyond confusing to me, and I feel like I have a decent grasp on things..

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Interesting, the cat is now out of the bag.

There are two AHFS's on the books. The original is on the pull down tab on the NHRA home page (linked here http://www.nhra.com/tech_specs/ahfs.html ).

The second is listed in the Lucas Oil Dec 2007 news archives (linked here http://www.nhra.com/content/sportsma...5919&zoneid=85 ).

I guess we get to choose which one we would like to abide by (TIC).

Bill

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Was the results of our "vote" ever published? If so I missed it. As has been stated why are the cars with higher numbers penalized? When a one car combo can totally control their fate. The more "they " mess with the system the more it gets screwed up! Welcome to the Lottery! It may be you that wins more horsepower next!

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Kenny,

Only the fastest run per car counts per event! If there are 2 or more cars at the same event with the same combo, then there could be 2 or more runs to trigger a review at that 1 event if 2 or more go 1.15 under or quicker.

If you get 4 runs during that event and you go 1.16, 1.08, 1.20 and 1.21 under on your runs, the 1.21 under will go towards your average.

This is national events only!

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Bryan is correct, they only use 1 run (fastest) per car at each national event for the system.

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Don't Divisionals and National Opens count too???

Confused???

Travis Sorokie
5919 SS/KA

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The way it was explained to me is that the fastest run by each racer at a national event will be looked at. If two runs (or more) occur that are 1.15 under by at least two racers that will set off the trigger for the class/combo to be reviewed. For example, lets take Dean Cook II and I. We both run different cars, but a similar engine family. As a side note, there are only two other 5.0 Cobras in the country that I know of so we pretty much control our own destiny.

If Dean and I run past 1.15 under at any one event, that amounts to two hits, thus setting off the trigger. If this happens we are getting hp, unless we both go out to another national event and run slow to bring the average down below 1.00.

Someone earlier in this thread stated that the more cars in a class screws those in that class, but the exact opposite is really true. More cars will always help bring the average down, it is the guy or gal with only one or two cars that the system is tough on, especially if the few cars are fast. Nevertheless, anyone can choose to go slow if they don't want hp. That stinks, but at least you know what to do. There are quite a few racers, with fast cars, who have been masterful at avoiding the lead trophy so it can be done.

I know most racers hate the current system, but the rules are laid out. It stinks that the trigger is 1.15 and I think it should be lowered since many performance enhancement have been allowed since the inception of the system. I also feel that the technology is there for most combinations to run very fast (radials, trick transmissions, etc) and that it is too easy to get hit with a fast car, when a fast cars is what we all really want. With that, there needs to be much more incentive for going fast, be it points or money. Points could be awarded for Class round wins and for setting a record (with a maximum on the record deal to two e.t and two mph records) for points per season. This would allow for the performance and tuning ability to let a driver do better in the points system, rather than just relying on bracket-racing ability in what is supposed to be a performance class.

I'm kind of tired of the bitching when I don't ever see a viable solution. This is not 1970 anymore! Meaning there is not just a few combinations that NHRA has to look over. NHRA has to make it fair for thousands of possible combinations including small engines with low compression, to big engines with lots of compression. Some with EFI, turbos, superchargers and of course, a variety of body styles. There is no other racing class in all of motorsports that I can think of with such a wide variety of race vehicles. Instead of being a part of the problem, be a part of the solution. The NHRA will never be able to please the thousands of racers, many of whom are on their own agenda. What's good for one is bad for another, so what is the answer? I am against putting the hp review back in the hands of a decision maker because the NHRA doesn't have the manpower to staff the tech department with anyone who could dedicate themselves to this. And that alone would be a full-time job.

Thanks,

Evan

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Cimarolli,
I was not racing when the hp committee was active. However, I have to agree with you the system cannot be simply computer based. I think there needs to be some human input as well. If not, we will all continue to suffer at the hands of a computer.

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Evan What about the number of cars running the same cobo does that matter now ? Barry

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I agree with Laura Parker. "IF" you analyze the numbers in detail with the proposed system, the more cars of the same combination the more likely you are to get hp. The proposed system would be a monumental job! But who knows which system is being used?

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Evan great comment. But the system can also make a combination obsolete. Case in point 1970 hemi cuda@3825 LBS for A/SA. One run in unbelievable weather conditions,
Should not kill a combo. @ 1.40 there should be a review rather than an automatic hp hit. Then if after all conditions are reviewed, if warranted so be it. And maybe just as we must back up a record run it should be two runs @1.40 under. This way the person would realize they could get hit, and would play the peddle game (not that I agree with that game). I don?t profess to have the answer. I do believe the AHSF system can work, it needs to be tweaked.

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I couldn't agree more, and hopefully that is ONE issue the new Sportsman Committee will be working on.

Take a 20mph tail wind, and some -alt. and you get a 'bogus' hit to your combo. Not to mention, if you are the one hitting the combo for Hp, you should be TORN DOWN before they give the whole combo Hp!!!

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If there are more cars vs. less cars, then (A) you get a better representation of what the combination is really capable of because there will be a range of competitors with a range of car building and racing skill levels, as well as budgets. (B) There is likely to be plenty of slow cars, as well as fast ones, to potentially bring down the average. For instance, there are 396/375 engines running in every division and there are plenty of them in each division. So, it's easy for a bunch of people to go slow and lower the average. If you have a car like mine, and you only go to a couple of nationals a year and happen to run too fast, you are screwed. Also, if only one or two people are racing a combination then it is hard to asses whether it is a soft combo or if the guy has his ducks in a row.

George, I couldn't agree more, especially considering the lack of teardown required after a 1.40-or-better run. In your case, the 9-80 run caused the Stocker Hemi in your type car to be obsolete. Most would agree that it was done in awesome conditions and by a well-funded car. Should this be taken into account? This would be a reason for the human element to be involved. See what I mean about the fact that there is no easy answer?

Evan

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this is something i sent to len imbrogno last year when there was a disscussion about this same situation,


hi len , i am concerned as to what is happening to stock / super stock , i have been a racer since 1986 and have seen a lot of changes some good and some bad, i do support the ahfs but not entirely how it works, i am sure you get email on this touchy subject all the time,the last ten years i feel s/ss eliminators regardless of high car counts has taken a major turn for the worst, in 1996 i was ridiculed for using superseded carbs on my max wedge and now cars can run with aftermarket edelbrock aluminum heads when they never came with aluminum heads and that is ok in my book as long as everyone can have them which right now is not the case,i don't think anymore examples are necessary i know from past experience , from reading your posts you know s/ss inside out and upside down.

what is on my mind is the 2 tenth reduction for indexes is needed , ahfs is needed , what i think needs to be changed and i have been largely voiced about this at the races is "NO CLASS RUNS DURING ELIMINATIONS!!!". ahfs should only apply during CLASS ELIMINATIONS at national events,it should not even apply on setting records , these classes are for performance based go as fast as you can with what you have legally cars .

i see it like this if every one has to dial in during eliminations the slow cars/owners(under the index) will not complain when the get beat dialing in/handicap racing and because performance factor is not an issue, ahfs will not be an issue because the playing ground is flattened evenly for everyone,i feel this could only improve car counts in these classes.

if racers like to go and be the fastest ,spend the most money or just like to brag that is ok too! those racers can go to national events to run class eliminations or show up to select divisional races and run top stock/ss,or set class records, class eliminations at national events should be where cars are judged for ahfs, on the grandest scale for divisional sportsman racers there is. i feel it is a joke that when you set a record more than 1.5 under the index that you don't receive the record for your accomplishment and get factored or indexed the next day as well records are meant to stand ! they should not ever go back to a minimum the next guy in line even if it takes 10 years should have to go faster. in your time working for nhra have you ever seen a class or combination slow down? i never have , all of my cars are constantly a work in progress to always find something to pick up a little bit.

s/ss racers are bracket racers ,even if the majority does not want to admit it, having class runs during eliminations does nothing for the class,if class runoffs were only used at national events it would make it more appealing for racers to attend and compete at a divisional level to qualify for acceptance at the national level where class run offs could be more of prestigious event like it used to be when i started racing.

my summary of the current situation in these classes is,

1 money it ruins everything. racers who have it ,spend it to go quick and fast at all costs, racers who don't have a lot to spend complain about the fast cars and the money they spend, fix? no class run offs during eliminations.

2 ahfs same as # 1 big money spenders set record which triggers factoring and kills the class for slower or lower funded cars ,the fix ,don't ahfs record runs it is not necessary ,remember there should not be any class runs during eliminations either , the ahfs should only be applied per car engine combo, registrant nhra # and driver ,ex i run a 1962 413 maxwedge nhra rated 395hp and you have the same car as me, i run 1.44 under the index at a national event in class eliminations,you run .50 under the index at the same race should you have to bear the penalty for me going that fast ? no only i should, i would guess that 90 % of the available combos are properly rated ,your car that you are going to race would have to be registered with nhra divisional office yearly and proper notification would be required if switching combinations, at first it would be a little more work building the data base but once all information is logged it would be no work per division to keep track of racers combos , on mondays all the divisions sync up and properly adjust racer car hp combinations.

3 if the class run offs during eliminations were removed the possibility to condense the classes becomes a reality, there would be no bitching about stick shift verse automatic or fi combos.

i know these are only my opinions but if enough of us racers would work together and voice our opinions to the people who make the rule changes happen instead of complianing just maybe the racers as a whole could accomplish something positive.

jimi vignogna

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We are not bracket racing. There are more than a few of us who still believe in the performance angle of this sport. The indexes need to be lowered atleast .20 and probably more like .30 if they come up with a new generous runner rule.

For those of you who want to go back to the good old days of men with agendas making horsepower decisions - don't look now because that is happening right now. The fact that nhra or Lucas has some language about the ahfs on their sites dosen't mean a damn thing. Because we have one little guy who is making all the decisions as he sees fit and we just roll over and give this guy what ever he wants when ever he wants it. He doesn't own or race a car so it's no sweat off his butt when he decides to back stab a combination and he has done this to many combinations; not just one. Know what I mean Wesley?

Evan, I read your post about how the ahfs stinks. Then you go after us for bitching without offering solutions. Many people are in favor of lowering the indexes. That is the best way to stop the bitching. Lower the indexes .30 and leave the ahfs trigger at -1.15. nhra has given us +30 horsepower in changes and done nothing to account for the increased performance. And then nhra adds insult to injury by giving horsepower to those racers who best exploit the accepted chnages. Total, TOTAL BS!

Right now NO racer should totally believe anything posted on the nhra or Lucas site about the ahfs. These guys have betrayed our trust too many times.

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How Does Nhra Know If The Car Responsible For Horsepower Increases Under A.h.f.s. Legal?


George Peterson

Duzac/peterson D/s 4448

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Bruce,

I have not gone after anyone, as you put it. Instead, I am one to try an find a solution and get on with fixing problems. I know there are problems with the AHFS, which is one reason I threw my name in the hat to be on the committee. I have a real passion, like many on this board, for Class racing and I would like for the hard work of many racers to result in better competition and reward, rather than the constant worry of an hp penalty.

Like many racers, I also tire of those who just complain and offer no solution. I'm just stating my opinion, which I am entitled to, as you do all the time. However, if I hated the state of the union or complained as much as some do I would find another way to spend my money and time. No one is forced to be out here. Again, that is my opinion.

For the record, I don't think the AHFS stinks, I think it stinks that so many people have to sandbag for fear of getting an HP adjustment. Stock and Super Stock are performance-based classes and the current system has not kept up with the ability of the cars. Nor has it kept up with the reward given to those with a fast car. Like you, I feel, no, I know, the triggers are way to low for the capabilities of the cars and the "new" allowable mods. Lowering the indexes is one answer.

Evan

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George,

That should be an automatic rule ? No-HP til the cars effecting the class are torn down and found legal....Too many times months later those cars that which created the HP are torn down and found illegal and the HP still stands...WHY ??? The easy way to solve this is make him tear-down if he's legal give then HP, if not don't...

Bruce,
I think it best if we can solve this without name calling and blaming just one person, because we all know there's more than one person envolved in all the calls at NHRA...That said lets see if the racing board can make a difference, by simple changes and having one set of Rules for everyone.. I do agree with Bruce and many others about taking away the 2-3 tenths, this would make the index's alittle more realistic...I would also like to see everyone get torn down at least once a year.. There are many racers who have NEVER BEEN torn down and have won many races and gone fast... Everyone should enjoy in the FUN !!!! As I have said before lets start teardowns from the bottom up and that would get rid of the 1000' club .... Why can't we just race.....Bruce, by the way last year's bad guy was Bob Lang, and I know I have been racing longer than you and many others and have never had a problem with either Bob or Wesly.
I am sure I am not the only one that feels that way.. If you have a problem with those guys, talk to them directly and leave the rest of us out of your arguement... I really think we can get more done if we go about this in a calmer fashion....just my two cents, Good Luck Evan, you will do fine don't forget the racer !!! DJR,

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AHFS system is saved by the fact that humans make the final judgment except in extreme cases. Humans are flawed too, but it keeps the AHFS somewhat under control and provide a flawed but reasonable snap shot of performance.

The AHFS is just a tool. It could be way better, but it is still better than nothing. It is like using a hammer and chisel to cut your toe nails.

1.) It artificially keeps all the "fast" bogus combos on top
2.) It does nothing to separate good and bad tracks.
3.) It uses false statistical data to determine unfair HP ratings vs. a good innovative racer
4.) It falsely assumes apples and oranges are the same.
5.) It is corrected by some good humans that know the difference when it raises its ugly head
6.) It does nothing for the improvement of performance of after market parts.
7.) It is way better than doing nothing, but could be dramatically and statistically improved.

All of these things could be accomplished with very little work or expense. It just takes the willingness to do so.

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Evan,
I believe you made the comment about bitching without offering solutions. I was simply following up on your remarks. And you're right nobody is forcing us to race, but are you saying we should be happy about a system that cheats the racers? I voted for you but you are already sounding a little too nhra-ish. You say it stinks that the racers have to suffer as a result of the ahfs, but then you say for the record that the ahfs doesn't stink. Diplomacy is cool - being disingenuous is not.

Dave,
Another lecture from you and I'm really going to scream. I'm just pointing out the sorry condition of the ahfs and some of the double talk that is offered to support it.

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EVAN
you are one who can run 1.40 under
are you going to do something about your self

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Bruce,

I am not saying you should be happy and turn a blind eye to something that bothers you. No one should. Nor am I on the NHRA's side. I am a racer and I am going to do the best I can for the Stock/Super Stock racers as a group. I am also a straight shooter, just because something causes bad results doesn't mean the root of the problem is completely terrible. You make it pretty clear that you have a personal beef with NHRA and I was not pointing a finger at you or anyone. Furthermore, you are as opinionated as anyone on this board so don't blast me for speaking my mind. I appreciate the vote and you know me well enough to know I will break my *** to make things better.

Everyone agrees that it is not a perfect racing world and understand that I am far from satisfied with the current state of Class racing. That is why I got involved. You don't see me on here bitching about this and bitching about that. I jumped in to make a change. Many people want, want, want, without realizing the challenges for the sanctioning body. From time to time I will offer a view from the other side of the fence, because I have experience in promoting races, working for the racetrack as a track official. Just because I offer this view, doesn't mean I am NHRA-ish.

We all know the AHFS is not perfect, but do I think it totally stinks, no. Does it need changes, it sure does. I just spent the better part of an hour on the phone with Wesley talking about changes that can be implemented. He assures me that the council will be able to make changes and that he wants racers to be happy and for a system to be fair for all. You can believe what you want, but this is what I was told.


Vic,

Those are strong words from someone who's car is very fast. I run my car hard, and close to the minimum weight at all times. I think you misunderstood my post. All I was pointing out is that the AHFS offers the chance to sandbag and many racers do a good job of that. I wasn't saying that is a bad thing. Of course it is a pity that racers have to do so to such an extent. We should be allowed the freedom to run hard. You have to play the game if you don't want hp. I can name quite a few racers who run a "D" at "F" weight.

Evan

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George Fitzpatrick,

Can you please call me tomorrow. 201-712-9300 x 644. Or shoot me an email at evan.smith@sourceinterlink.com. I have some information for you.

Evan

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evan
iam going bye what you have said to me at etown last year
and i do not think anybody is running d with f wt.
that would be 300 + #s

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Evan,

My beef is with a convoluted rule system that is being administered by hit and run artists. I'm glad you had a good conversation with Wesley. Please do me a favor and ask him why he doesn't bother to announce rule changes before he implements them? Also ask him why he didn't bother to tell all the racers that he had come up with this insane grouping of combinations before he started whacking them? Gettting a straight answer for these two questions would be very helpful. I wish you all the best.

I have communicated with two other members of the council in the last 24 hours and sincerely hope all of you can make a difference. Why? Because racers are giving up. In the last three months I have heard more than a few racers say they are having serious thoughts about quitting.

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Forgive me for being an outsider making a comment about Stock and the AHFS and what some guys say. It is hard to read some of this stuff and not want to make a comment. It is always pointed out that Stock should be a performance based category and is not bracket racing. Well I have to point out to you that many races are being won by notoriuosly good bracket racers. All over the country winners are often previously known for their bracket racing wins. And it kind of strikes me that no matter what plan or program NHRA devises to try and "equalize" the various combinations......somebody is not happy and starts to point out why it doesn't work, won't work, isn't fair and so on. In the old days.....and I was there and raced under those conditions......YOU RACED OFF YOUR NATIONAL RECORDS...No indexes....sandbag if you want but handicaps were set by your records. I also recall that during some periods if you exceeded your record in a final round, you tore down and if your were good,,,, you got the win and the record as well. You want your integrity back......go back to the old rules and trash the AHFS.........Stop bitching and do some real racing.....I'd rather watch Pinks than modern day Stock the way it's being run with all the sandbagging, whinning and complaining. I raced Stock a very limited number of years with various cars in different eras. I quit after my last short stint and some of you would slam me as an outsider. That's ok....I'm just giving you my point of view as one who has raced it and many other categories as well. Devise a set of rules that let the fast cars win but enforce the rules and put some real racing back into your category. Show off your performance and be willing to tear it down to get the money and hardware. That would make Stock eliminator a hell of a lot better and definately seperate yourselves from us "lowly" bracket and super class racers! Flame on....:(

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that system was tried and did not work
but no system is going to make everbody happy
i have raced since july 1960 and that seen a lot of things tried
i go to nationals event for one reason TO WIN CLASS
EVAN
next time i see you i will buy you a beer thats root beer of corse

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I love it when guys come out here and say stop your bitching when racers have legitimate complaints about the condition of our sport - especially when these guys have nothing to do with the issue.

I can speak for some of the go fast guys when I say we have no problem with the bracket racers who do well in this sport. But for us the real problems come up when we are unfairly penalized for enjoying the performance side of this sport.

Sure, I would like to win a national. I don't go a national event thinking boy it's going to be great when I go out in the first round. However, winning a national is not my main reason for attending. I go to nationals because I can visit with my friends from around the region and to race my car; in that order. It's very difficult to have respect for an organization that will not live by it's own rule structure. And even it's even more difficult to have respect for people who say it's OK for the organization to play fast and loose with the rules. There isn't a person in this world who has the right to tell me/us how to enjoy our lives or to button up about issues that we see as unfair.

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Make stock a performance based eliminator and you'll see ,maybe,32 car fields and the millionares club.You know the "retired" club with too much money. There is alot of people who are happy to build a car and just run under the index,lets discourge them now and lower the indexes .....Isn't there like top stock and comp?

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Reward performance. Pay Class winners Same as Eliminator or more. May need to limit number of classes,.STOP creating more classes for fewer cars which adds to bracket method of racing. Consider going to 32 SS and 32 Stock classes. Fit the structure by adjusting your combo for the good of the BIG picture.
Stop factoring by ADDING hp.
Adjust Over factored combos by REMOVING HP. (only till close then let racers make hp ) Use only Motor winning classes as standard then adjust.
Consider late versus early chassis factor(GT aerodynamic versus early BOX cars) for adjustment.
Cut index of all classes to make up for years of performance enhancing parts .
Lynn This would include Pontiac as they would decrease HP for cars which really dont win class till the HP is appropriate for parts available....

Bart.... The Money card is always there. Anyone can run eliminator but the question is are any of the classes cheap. What is cheap? Does NHRA owe it to everyone to make it cheap?make it for everyone?

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Good post Rich. throw away the shoe polish tuneups and race. Reward the fast cars, thats the way it should be. It is drag racing not brake light racing. I'm not a high roller but but I would rather be beat by a faster car than out braked at the lights. I was racing in the 60s and it was a lot of work but I feel more rewarding.

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You gotta make the rules the same for everyone or it is all an exercise in futility. This required the break out rule to "fix" in the first place. (Dick, who says we dont have the replacement parts? We have all the same ones as you. We just have a harder time getting them approved!)

We should run heads up at every race instead of 2-3 practice runs at every race. If you want to practice come a day early for the practice session. The bracket race on Sunday should remain the same. It makes the diversity of S/SS racers second to none.

AHFS should plot each engine family on a curve like we do in the sciences. This makes it a statistical method and not a punishment if someone is innovative. It hits at the heart of everyone's valid objection on this thread. The current method cannot address this.

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Evan. I'm for lowering the indexes 3 Tenths. This would enable us to run all out for class and not have to slow our cars down at National Events in the spring and fall. Indexes have been the same for at least the last ----what?---15 years. What does the other side of the fence think of lowering indexes? You are our stk/ ss representative, lets get to work!!!!! Only kidding Evan, I know there are a lot of Stk and SS racers that would like to see this happen. Good luck with your new challenge.