Big Super Gas Race?
 

Anyone who thought a Big Money race for the Sportsman guys could not happen was proven wrong last Wednesday. $10,000.00 to win Stock/Super Stock race at Atco, and yes they only got 66 cars (based on 128 to enter) but they still paid out the $10,000.00. So the question is who would be up for a Super Gas Race similar to that? Maybe not $10,000.00 to win but something worth the tow and entry fee (7,500.00, 5,000.00). I am looking at closer to the end of the year (maybe the Wednesday October 1st before the D-1 race at Atco). Let me know if anyone would be interested in racing or being a sponsor. You can e-mail me at rekeister@aol.com. Let's get it on.....

Rob Keister
1198 S/G

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maybe if you would make it a super gas/super comp race there would be the possibilty of more entrys....run seperate until final and maybe have a run off ?

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Heck, lets make it a 8.90, 9.90, 10.90 race. I'll be there!!:)

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You guys let me know how you wouls like to run it. I think the combo race is a good idea but the only thing is when you start pitting door cars against dragsters I think there is a unfair advantage. I bracket race at Atco all the time and trying to judge a dragster upstairs is very tough. Then with Super Street you have the difference in the christmas tree .4 tenths to .5 tenths. I mean if I get enough sponsors and interest I could work on a race for all classes but only time will tell.

Rob

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Haha, that sounds like that Pro Tree Nationals race that MIR used to put on back in the day. I do miss that race...probably cause we won the Super Comp part of it in '91 :)

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I would LOVE to run a race like that......S/C or S/G LETS GO!

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I'd like to see that, doubt we will get enough cars tho. With a low entry fee we might.

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All ready have a few people interested on here and through e-mail. I am working on it very hard so hopefully I will have more info for you guys as it becomes available. Hopefully Gas is not 7.00 a gallon by this race either...time will tell

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i think your idea is great and if the entry fee was like the one at atco (200) i think you might have something. now a few of the posts question weather or not you'd get enough cars. which is the problem with doing it on a wednesday. its one extra day which sounds simple enough, but coming from the auto industry sometimes its enough to just blow the whole thing up, the boss still needs the coverage at work. so i guess if your the boss its great.

but, anyway what i would like to see and i would think that it would help you out would be to add super street. i know this causes a problem because of the light issue. but i see that as only a minor problem. the bigger problem would be if the super gas guys who do not run upfront on a regular basics deicded to jump in on the super street side of the ladder. as i see it it could be as simple as if it doesn't say S/ST on the window then your in the other bracket. so the top guy in eash can go at eash other maybe in round robin format. ( of the 3 left the first to lose 2 is out)

or this has been done before. when top fuel ran against funny car. just put a delay in the tree of the one sec depending on the bracket. same with the light. if i remember correctly there was a divisional race in canada that lynn won, where due to what ever reason all super cars ran for one titile.



just my 2 cents

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THe bigest problem you have is that theres not a WALLY for the winning. Most of the super classracers all they want is the WALLY. Its not the money thats there for the winner. IF it was for the money they all wood be at the big dollar bracket races.

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That is because you never won a wally! LOL (breakin stones)

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I know it kinda takes away from the .4 pro tree "experience" but I say let em add .1 and lets all race on a .5 pro tree. Issue resolved. As far as dragsters have an advantage, screw that lets race!!!!!!

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Hey Chris, can I borrow a wally for the race, I think you have a couple laying around the house that you use for paper weights......haha just kidding.

I can work on getting a wally if you want one, I guess some people still care about the trophy rather then 10 grand. I am going to call Dave Ley next week and start the ball rolling on getting the date, etc.

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I agree Damien. Put everybody on a 5 tenths Pro Tree, and let's race. For me, I wouldn't see it as much different than running my local weekend bracket race except all three lights would be flashing when I let go of the button rather than just the top bulb.

I still think the dragsters would have the advantage, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't give it a go for that kind of money (I do it on my off weekends at my home track for much less!)

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alll run 5 tenths pro tree.....all cars to the lanes...lets go raceing

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Move the race closer to Div.3 area. You would pick up alot of cars.
Boo Boo
31s/g
38s/c

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Well my 2 options right now are the Wed/Thursday before the Atco D-1 race or the Wed/Thursday of the Dutch Classic at Maple Grove. Both of them are in October but it depends on what track promotor wants to work with me. I want to make it easy so if your coming out for a race anyways that it's an extra bonus, not have just a seperate race in which people need to travel for 1 day and go back home. I know Joe Sway is always cool with putting things like this together for us and I know Lex will be cool at Maple Grove but it's the first year for them and they might not be all about it just right now.

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Boo Boo...I guess the question is, how much closer to Div. 3 area would it need to be to pick up a significant number of entries? It seems like the great state of Pennsylvania is the dividing line. If the race is no further west than Maple Grove, you'll get all the D1 racers and very few people from D3. If the race is no further east than Pittsburgh, the opposite applies.

Central NY or PA would seem to be ideal to try to pull people from both divisions, but Numidia is the only track that I can think of in that general area that would be decent enough to hold an event like this.

Do you think having the race at Numidia would move it far enough west to pull a significant number of D3 competitors? Sound off you D3 guys. Rock? Eddie? Others?

If it is, then it should probably be considered. Plus, Numidia strikes me like a place that would be willing to host an event like this...

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The only problem I see with Numidia is they don't hold a big race that most people will attend. I know that the track draws alot of D-1 & D-3 cars due to it's location but the only NHRA race they hold is in July for the National Open. I really want to make it a race within a race just like the S/SS race. I know some people had a tough time getting off of work for that race but, I want to get them enough time to plan out the race and thats a little bit on the quick side to get everything taken care of for advertising and getting people off of work. Plus I know for myself it's a 6 hour tow for me and to make it just a 1 day race would not be worth it. I know Bob Dimino and staff would love to help us out, they have done great things with us and the MASGA series. If the first one takes off at the track of choice if we decided to do one next year I would keep Numidia in mind for a race. We would like to put together a S/G - S/S and a Stock/Super Stock 10,000 to win races in 2009.

Rob

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I would support both locations with equal value ,,But I'm from Northern Ohio and the Tow for me is about the same,,,6.5 to Maple , where I usally run both the Nat. and Div.,,,,6.0 to Numdia plus easier tow and a track I always ran when they held the Divisionals there......

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I guess I didn't catch scheduling it on a Wed or Thurs before. Thats gonna be a problem!!! If you don't wanna make everyone travel for 1 day of racing, make it 2 days $5000 to win instead of 1 day $10,000. The way i look at it is that it's already hard enough to get days off work that late in the year (at least for me), let alone a couple more. In my opinion having it on a Wed or Thurs would hurt car counts, but that my opinion. Thats a tough call.

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We could do 2 races for a 5,000 purse, Like a Friday and Saturday race with Sunday being a travel day if anyone from the D-3 or D-2 area decides to come out. I could start the race a little bit later on Friday to help with anyone traveling so they don't have to leave the night before or have to rush to get there early in the morning. I am all ears as to suggestions from you guys, I will be too busy pairing cars up and making sure everything runs smooth then to be racing that day. My Number #1 goal is to make a fun race for the Super class guys. I think it's been long overdue and we deserve something. We all bust our necks to go to NHRA races and sit in the pits for 4 days to win 1,800.00 and have to wait 6 months to get checks from sponsors who we have to give them more information then when you want to board a plane to prove you have that part. So where is the D-1 guys at, I have heard from the D-3 guys but what is the D-1 take on this race (i mean it's going to be in your back yard)? If we do the 2 race in 2 days we can get a racers BBQ together on one of the nights. I have not bothered to ask Uncle Buck due to the passing of his mother if he would cook for us.

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I'd say we do a Saturday, Sunday race. This way it is not required of everyone to take Friday off work and if you need it, you can take off monday to travel. Less days off for more people :). Now, how can we go about getting a IHRA VS NHRA Allstars shootout? :D

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Guys everyone has a box. Make it a .500 pro tree and you can have all the super classes in one eliminator.

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Sounds like fun!! I'm in depending on when it is!!!
Agree with 5 pro for everyone - we just add delay!!!!

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Just got word from Lex at Maple Grove. They would be interested in holding the event. I am thinking we do a Saturday and Sunday event, 2 races for a big purse each day to make it a nice time for everyone. Now I expect to see tons of D-3 cars out there since I may have made the race closer to your neck of the woods. The one thing Lex would like to see before he commits is just a sign as to how many guys would come out for the race... here is his response....

From Lex at MG,
With the economy the way it is, we’d have to be careful how it was scheduled. We’d have to figure out a purse structure and get some feel on how many drivers would participate. We’d be interested, but we just have to spell out all the details involved.


Rob

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so this would be a two day sat and sun race for 5000 on each day with 5tenth pro tree for every one? do you run all the cars and dragsters together? and what would we look as far as entry ? just a couple questions,but sounds kick *****

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I'm Still working on all those details as far as entry fee, how much the track would want, etc. Right now I am working on the tracks that are interested in doing it. It was going to be at Atco but since so many D-3 guys chimed in about it I'd figured I would try to make it a netrual site for everyone. Trust me when I get everything finalized you will hear about it...haha. I am just trying to keep everyone updated on the status of the race. I know alot of people come on a site say, "Big S/G race" then you never hear anything about it ever again. I think we will make it 5,000 to win based on a 64 car field. I think we can draw 64 cars to a race like this and if it's more then we up the purse. Trust me I am not in this to fill my pockets I am in it to have a fun race for the sportsman guys. I think with todays economy 128 cars is a bit much to be shooting for to try to draw into a race.

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sounds like a plan!
keep us posted on round money/entry/maybe buybacks?
Now before you all wine think about the fuel cost ,the entry for the race is the cheapest part of racing nowadays,and if u r there already it's a nobrainer and put the buyback money back into the race not the track or promoter!!
probably should have use spell check!

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I am waiting on word from Lex from MG. I sent him 2 dates yesterday that were open at Maple Grove and did not conflict with any National Event Races, Division 1,2, or 3 races on that weekend to keep it open for everyone to come. The buybacks thing is a good idea but, we will see once everything gets ironed out. I was thinking about a Shootout on Saturday night if we have time. Put 25 - 40 bucks in, top 16 cars that ran closest to 9.90 on the 2nd time run that day get the option to join. Once the 16 cars are filled we run them off for the cash. I am also trying to work something out that if you come for both days you get a little discount on the entry fee to get in. Like I said I'm working on it real hard, I was going to talk with Dave Ley this week but he is in the hospital so let's all pray for a speedy recovery for dave.

Rob

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Remember to steer away from any IHRA races as well!!! Instead of a 16 car 9.90 shootout you could have a shootout for each class, top 8 cars get in.

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Damien,
Of the dates I submitted 1 is during the Martin, Mich National Event and the other has a Division race at Jackson, SC. Like I said I am still awaiting word from Maple Grove themselves because they may have different dates that are not on the website but, that was my 2 options.

rob

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Instead of Buybacks have a 2nd chance race.
$50 bucks to enter pay like $1,000-$500-100-50
Can't enter if you finish in the money on the big race.
Chip

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I think they should outlaw buybacks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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i like damiens idea...top 8 of each class..and then maybe a runoff between the winners of all three classes,but dont know how that would work?

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The Idea that I submitted to Lex has it just for Super Street and Super Gas. Nothing against Super Comp but I want this race to be for the door cars. The dragsters already kick everyones A** in the 25,000 races or the 10,000 races. I mean I think we can all agree that dragsters are the better car of all 3 classes if you were going to run it like a bracket style race. I want this to be for the door car guys....rememeber you can e-mail me at rekeister@aol.com if you want to comment personally on something, my door is always open.

Rob

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I think the weekend of Martin would be a BIG killer for car count, I sure wouldn't be able to attend. Martin usually has decent car counts. The South Carolina race may not take too many cars, but still wouldn't be a great idea. Can't come up with another weekend huh?? I do like the door car only idea!!!

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Thats for tracks around here, the 2 dates I gave Maple Grove were the only 2 they had left open. Between, the Keystones, Geezers at the Grove, The Dutch Classic, NED Finals and Junior Dragster finals didn;t have much to choose from. Atco is like totally booked, we had a hard time getting dates for MASGA in the later part of the year thats why we took April and May. I have Cecil County which is farther then Atco and not one of the best tracks and Numidia which for most guys is a big hike. I mean I will try those dates and see how it goes for MG, if it's a big success then when I try it next year and I know where to look in dates. I really just started putting this together about 3 weeks ago, If I had worked on it in Dec/Jan we would already had the race by now. Either way we will have a Big S/G - S/S race sometime this year even if it's on the back streets of my house...