Old School SG
 

Check this out if you haven't seen it yet. Kinda makes you wonder why it was ever changed!


http://www.competitionplus.com/index...11119&Itemid=6

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Boy did that bring back memories!
thanks for posting. I'm going to email the link to Steve Cohen, I'm not sure he knows there's film of the Ramblin Nash and his bad 80's hair.
:D

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I think that Yellow vette ( Moose ) still races in div. 1

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That hair was pretty bad!

Its a shame the class evolved as drastic as it did.

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Maybe if enough super class racers banded together and put the heat on(boycott national events)the
sting of the lost revenue would stir some action to go back to "almost" full throttle racing,with only
trans brakes.

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That would be cool to see. I doubt that Steve Cohen would grow that hair back out like that though......

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I wish they would make a change back, even if they lowered the indexes by a second or so. I don't think it would fly with alot of the current racers, but if the right ones jumped on board and supported the issue it may not completely fall on deaf ears. I honestly believe NHRA wants TD and TS and could care less about whether the .90 classes come or go, its just a matter of time. I remember seeing the Modified Class racers protesting at Indy before their official demise, and you see how that turned out.

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Hey Kenny, how'd that intake work out?

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i was a kid when mickey crashed there are still some parts from his vega in the shop! back then is when my dad hooked up with bob bond and started s/g racing...he said before all he used was a bolt in the floor as a throttle stop! he is sooo lost with all the electronics! he wishes they would run the cars like they did in the old days!
i just like all those dry hops too! i used to watch my dad do em all the time now a days if i did them her would kick my a**!!!

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boy it was neat watching that old clip, those was the days of side by side SG racing, people in the stands could not really see the throttle stops come on in high gear. it was not the "Stop & Go" stuff we have today and nobody in the stands can understand, oh well everybody keeps on telling me I'm old school, but this video proves how much neater SG was at one time to watch.

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I'd support a change in S/G.
The less electronics the better.
Perhaps some of the SST & S/G associations would consider this as a rule change?
They already have a good race schedule and membership base.

I've watched the videos 3 times already. It's just so cool seeing all those old cars again. Now I know what my dad means by "The good Ol days".

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Ya horse & buggy would be neat to tow with too !!

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roflmao.....that was a great video, nice to get tv time also. Steve you have changed a little

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Y'all know that I'm still doing it that way in S/ST, and look at all the fun I'm having. It's possible to make rounds that way, too. If you don't believe me ask Dan Moore. "Outlaw Dan" was the victim of a .013 package last Sunday.

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Amen Ed. The adjust a flow was definately "wired in" on Sunday. Dan is still upset about not getting the 50 dollar bounty!!!

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The "Blind Mule" came up with some great history here! Craig Miller went on to win the TRW National Championship in S/ST for a third year in a row the following year. I wish Craig would get back to his S/ST roots. Maybe 22 years has slowed him down enough that the rest of us could beat him some time.

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Is that Paul Page doing the announcing??

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Yes it is gary,and he had some hair ha ha
scott

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Craig is running auto pro mod now but I bet he misses the old days!

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Here is a shot of the 1981 Spring Nationals finals of SG, both my father and Kurt Neighbours had Lenco and if you look close Dad already had the top bulb out. We won the event.
http://classracer.com/classforum/pic...&pictureid=637

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i miss steve evans

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whats with all this " go back to the old days and get rid of throttle stops " crap?

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Brian G. had it right......the horse and buggy would be fun to tow with too....why would you want to have it lay over in high gear.....when you can have it throw you on the decklid....put down the ax and get the chainsaw......

CBS

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Smells of Pig Farmin to me!

I think Paul Page is Hot Rod Fullers real Dad, Look at the video! WOW

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I agree that it would be very hard to go back, so it just ain't going to happen. I can think of four good reasons that we should have not gone to timed throttle stops in the first place:
1. Safety
2. Cost
3. Spectator appeal
4. Fun factor (probably the most important).

I'm staying with the Adjusta-flow! Give me another 25 years and I'll have enough experience with it to make it work.

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So right Ed!
The spectators I've spoken to (in person and on my blogs online) nearly all prefer the "old" way.
It's a lot more fun to go to a drag race when you can imagine yourself driving one of those cars. Now days the average spectator is overwhelmed by the cost & technology.

Sadly, we are seeing a decline in the new faces coming into our sport as well.
I have especially noticed there are very few new youngsters in the super classes.

No new faces is a death sentence for any sport.....:(

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Maybe prostock should go back to small blocks and top fuel to lencos. I don't like baseball so I don't watch it...its boring. Think they'll change the game because I change the channel. Times change. We have throttle stops ,baseball has steroids. Still boring game.

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Funny that you bring that up.Pro stock was more fun to watch,and more innovative back in the 70s.
S/B B/B chevies,real hemis,S/B B/B fords and AMCs and lencos,not an air bottle in sight.Now cookie cutter cars.Borrring.

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Wow, Tell me I'm not reading this right? So, you're comparing steroids to throttle stops? Steroids are illegal performance enhancement and a criminal offense.

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Some think stops should be banned. Steroids made home run heroes and baseball more exciting to watch just like big motors . Ed ,I really don't know where I'm going with this. LOL Ilike old school that's why I'm building a 63 chevy2 gasser to go with my sg car.I'm getting old....

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Coming from a guy who's building a 170+ mph s/g car.

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So let me get this right, your saying that the throttle stops make super class racing better ????????? all it did was make it easier for the ones with money to build bigger motors so they only had to think about was the finish line, less thinking less skill in my book!!! Do I take the line or dump him, 50/50 shot. It made some of us build bigger motors to race with these guys so we would be competitive. It is also not safe I have seen idiots with big motors chase down a guy, hammer the brakes and take out both cars..
THERE'S THE SAFETY SIDE

if we didn't have them, we wouldn't need $20.000 motors to be the fastest guy out there.. 565 ci to run 10.90 is stupid i have a 511 ci that's all i can afford at 10.90 140 is fast enough 9.90 155 also...
and all of the computer stuff that is out there that a racer needs now $$$$$$$$$
THERE'S THE COST SIDE

I'm not saying to put a mph on us, but it is getting out of hand we are loosing racers and fans, NO FANS NO MONEY..NO RACERS NO MONEY........


the average spectator dose not have a clue about class racing and you cant get the announcer to explain it to them, they don't care and don't have the time at a race, hell their even walking away during pro stock, bring on jr. dragster .......... sport compact, pro stock truck. all have gone by the wayside.. NHRA might be trying but i dont know what.. it is the times of today sorry..
THERE'S THE SPECTATOR SIDE

And ill say it out loud, there would be no (CHEATING) from someone you never herd of, or the ones that there names come up all the time, do not tell me that some of these so called gentlemen racers don't do it, it just gets so old when one of these men say its getting harder to win one of these things.. EVERY TIME THEY WIN ONE !!!! yes i have hit a 10.900 .000 lite and every one said were did that come from, and all you can say is the racing gods so it can happen. but round after round, i don't think so. you hear the car go up and down in rpm, you just look at the racer next to you and shake your head and say did i just hear and see that and walk a way in disgust..
THERE'S THE FUN FACT

there is a lot of manufactures out there that help us out. we need to let them know about these things don't you think... or are you running a throttle stop and cant think for your self????

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WOW, This thread started out making fun of Cohens BIG HAIR. Now were into cheating and people with too much money buying big motors etc. Most of us have seen it all, if you don't like the new stuff go back to a bolt stop. You can still win races...

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Being able to win a National Event old school style is still just as possible as anytime in the past. There are just not as many doing it the old way anymore so the laws of averages go with the new style racing.
Ted Seipel runs the old school and won the Las Vegas spring National Event.
Ted I believe is 75 years old or that is what they announced for the final and was running 23 year old Justin Lamb. Ted crossed the finish line at 116 MPH if I remember correctly and was looking back at Justin closing in on him very quickly. Justin crossed at 163 MPH again if I remember correctly and lost to Ted's old school ride.
You had to be there as the crowd went crazy when Ted's win light came on.
The older guy did it!!!! HIS WAY!!!
If fact in the last 6 cars at that event there were 2 running the old school way. Both were 70+ years old and both running old school style.
Both were using delay boxes and throttle stops just not big motor high dollar cars.
I enjoyed the racing and seeing the old guys do it their own way.
My 2 Cents Also an old guy.

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I'm bored and on my 3rd beer...so I'll make a post.....All the modern stuff is just "Tools" that are used to help win races.....Almost everyone agrees that a faster car has an edge in drag racing. If you don't recognize this fact your blind as a bat,,,,You cannot look in 2 directions at one time and when racing is as close as it is today...being the faster car is an advantage. Not many drivers can win being out there in front....some can but that is a very small number of drivers. Big motors, weather stations and purpose built cars all help a racer win rounds. Nothing helps if you can't manage all the technology you have and none of it is just automatic.....Todays winners usually have a game plan and some are dialers and some are holders.......You can become successful with almost any setup but it's that little edge that gets you past the tough rounds. A lot of times the edge is the driver himself.......you can't buy that edge....It is just experience and a guys intuition. I think big motor Super racing is fine but I would like to see the indexes moved up. The cars are better, more powerful and safer so move the damn indexes up. It would reduce the t-stop event time and make for a better show....Move them up to 8.0, 9.0 and 10.0....Todays average dragster runs well into the 7's....most S/G cars are easily 8 second cars and S/ST is about the only categorie with people that are not always way under the index powerwise........



Pocono race was cancelled damn.....time for another beer.....LOL

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I"ll drink to that !

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I can't blame my post on beer, but maybe just because it's Monday...

How about taking the two doorslammer classes (S/G & S/ST) and eliminating timers? Then add a 7.90 class, so the people who like high MPH can race either 7.90 or 8.90? I know, NHRA is loathe to add another class, but maybe it would work.

S/G and S/ST could have something like the following rules:
Throttle stops may only be controlled by manual operator-activated switches, or switches mounted to the car's shifter. This may include activation by the car's transmission brake switch. Delay boxes are allowed only for delaying the release of the transmission brake, and may not be used for shifting the transmission or activating the throttle stop.

I wonder what kind of speeds a current 170 mph S/G car would run if it were only on the throttle stop in 1st gear?

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rules are as they say "it is what it is"
BUT better make your cars where they can run T/S & T/D when needed cause i can see what is coming already.

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I can see it also Joe. Those that dont just dont have thier eyes open.