New Events for 2010 at Lebanon Valley Dragway
 

New Events for 2010 at Lebanon Valley Dragway

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I was just looking at that on the web site. I think thats great!!!

Its the perfect compromise. I will run as many as I can afford to

B.J. Masiello

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Hi hemi, i just street race wed. Nites but i go weekends to watch you guys. Sounds like a fast car 6.50 mild tune wow. That's top sportsman et like top 5. Here at lvd anyway . $2500 for quick 8/16 you did not say what the entry fee was? Does your track make up the difference in entry for the purse? 8 or 16 divided into $2500 1st 800? 2nd 400? Semi's =$4,000 you guys would have to pay what? $500 for quick 8 and $250 for 16? Most people around here are not that flush with money you know the depression and all. I think $130 entry is fair it seems 90% of that goes to the racers. As far as racing a 11 sec car I think your looking at maybe 9 to 9.50 as the cut. Why they put 11 ? Don't know. Now the quick 16 sounds like a good deal the break is 7.49. Again for the entry it seems to go mostly back to the racers. I just don't think you can do this ($2500 1st)without charging say $200/$250/$500 people just can't afford it right now.I run a camaro too it only goes 11.80 it has a 350 chevy not a chrysler engine lol. That car @6.50 repeats/rounds et to win races ? Like to see you come up and take down those mid/low 7 sec dragsters that run dead on. That would be cool. Yes the track gets alot of cars,track conditions are great and the pits are well kept .LVD dragway also recieved excellence in management at the div.1 banquet so they must be doing things right. Hey come up and try it again like to see you go rounds from spectators point of view.

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Bill,

It seems like you already have a perfect setup for payout & safely running your 6 second car. If I were you I would stay in MD. The only reason I am saying this is because its free!!! I am pretty sure that Lebanon isnt looking to pay you to come up and play on saturdays anyway, maybe since you have a "fast ride" they can book you in...;)
If its free to race for $2500 down by you or close to you and its a GOOD race track, then why would you make the trip. hell, let me know where those races are and I will go there.
And since its my opinion only, apparently you didnt read the flyer too well because it clearly states $30 gate fee & $100 entry fee.


Again this is only my opinion.

Debbie Moses

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Hi Debbie, I would not take alot of these posts from outside racers to heart. I think the racers here that race lvd dragway appreciate you and ken sponsoring the quick 32.Its a start to some different racing that might attract more cars, people, competition. Ken stepped up for this AND lets not forget he gave his services FREE to the flood victims at LVD to repair all that were unlucky enough to have their cars/trans. damaged. Thanks for stepping up Ken/Debbie.

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Wow free entry and $5k to $10k races awesome. I think even the nhra big boys/crew pay to enter every full throttle series race. Must be a nice car. You might be too big for the"VALLEY". So your talking pro mod racing not backet quick 32?

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Bill,
Would love to see you up there. If they have the same track prep guys there your car might hook up. Steve and Ed had the place pretty good. The only thing is on Saturdays they need to finish up early in the evening. (the dirt track, located next to the drag strip starts running around 5 PM) But it worked out pretty good last year.

There are a few local guys getting some first to the stripe stuff together. One that comes to mind is Dana Hard and the Pro Comp guys. It's the fastest 8 cars (I hear it may be 16 this year). It's free entry for car/driver and free crew up to 4 for $1500 to win (with 16 cars it may be more). I think he was going to give LVD a call to try to schedule some events there. They are already running events at NED with alot of success (spectator stands packed).

Hope to see you at LVD.

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If you can run 6:40's on a mild tune, you should check out this 9 race series in the Northeast.
http://www.neoutlawpromods.com/

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Im not a local racer at LVD, but I've been running the D1 Lucas Oil races up there since 1995. Its a good track, Ive run S/St,S/G and now T/S up there. Plenty of shutdown, Top Alky cars run there at the points races, so if prepped good, the track can handle big cars.

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Debbie, I'm Jim the photographer and acting webmaster. I posted the news about you and Ken sponsoring the Quick 32 race. I think it's going to be a great event. And after the flood at the Valley, and the help that Ken provided for the racers, just want to say you guys are a class act.
Hope you don't mind the posting or the flyer using the race car....
Jim

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Can some one please tell me what the pay out in super pro is on sundays

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For the last several years it has been based on car count, $10 for every car (i.e. 60 cars = $600 to win).

From what I understand they may be modifying it for this year BUT I haven't seen or heard anything official yet. There was talk they may increase entry fees to increase the pay out.

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So this quick 32 class is going to be like a atco big money race to the local bracket racer . Help me understand . They are going to pay 1500 to win if they get 32 cars 30 at the gate for the track and 100 for the race and have a sponsor so why are they not paying 100% of the 100 back to the racer. My friend used to run that quick race at that long island track and guys used to get pissed off at him when he enterd his 10.60 nova. Is this race put together for the lvd racers and they don't need any outside cars. They still have the same problem that a lot of the other tracks that try quick 16 and 32s they need support and one way to get it is MAKE IT WORTH GOING TO.

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It is complete payback from the 100 dollar entry

1,500 to win + 700 to RU + 300 for semis X2 + 100 for Quarters X 4 =3,200 total

I know a lot of people compare to Atco. I myself run a lot of the money races at atco. Why wouldnt they its a top notch facility that runs top notch races. Not to mention IMHO its the toughest bracket racing in the country. That being said I have never been to an atco race where you can win 1,500 dollars for going 5 rounds. I have been down to the 7th and 8th round of a few money races and not gotten more than 6 or 7 hundred dollars. Thats with a race that averages 3-400 cars + buyback money. Even there superbucks races are 300 dollars a round I believe starting with 3rd round loser. So 6th round looser gets 1,200 dollars. Thats on a 350 dollar entry fee and thats only if the race goes 9 rounds.

My question is what do people realistically see as being worth their while? Is there a certain number that you would travel for?

B.J. Masiello

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B.J.
YOUR RIGHT 5 ROUNDS FOR $1500 GOOD DEAL. MAKE THE QUARTERS AND GET BACK YOUR ENTRY.
MY MATH IS NOT GOOD BUT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WIN 2 ROUNDS YOUR IN THE $$.
GRANTED IF SOMEONE STEPPED UP ANOTHER SPONSOR OR? AND PUT UP ANOTHER $500 A RACE AND SAY $1650 1ST $850 2ND AND $400 SEMI.
THAT MIGHT DRAW SOME MORE RACERS BUT LIKE YOU SAID,WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET THESE GUYS UP HERE? :confused:

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The point I was trying to make is that the guys running in super are only getting 500 or 600 to win a race on sunday then if your 32 class on sat. with such a soft 1149 max. will draw those guys in and then you will fill your feilds ,but it will be far from a ouick race for sure. I have race at island dragway and there pay outs some times with only 30 some cars has been 600 now they are talking 1000 to win but I am sure thats just talk. What would it take for guys like me to go to a race like your would only take running faster cars not taking anything away from the slower guys and not taking all our money. I still can't understand that if you have a sponsor and take all that money at the gate how come the pay out is so weak

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Mr hemi I will try not to drool as much. I don't know what the hell I am thinking this is the same deal this place had last year when they did a t/d race. I think mabey they should take this and make some good paying super pro races so the guys that support this track can race for. I have a message for all the track owners out there they all need to go down south and see how some of these tracks do it and how they treat there racers 1st stop should be MIR. This is no being EVIL . It may help to try and make it work for them. AND THE NOVA GOES 8.60's and it my girls car .

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Some tracks can put alot of money up and still will not get any cars. A few years ago my freind with a real promod car was called by this track for a so called night of thrills and was ask if he can find a second car.so he called us up and ask us , and we said find out how much we were getting to go up there on a wednesday ? He called us back and told us to forget it they told him 600 dollars for both cars. It's a shame they have the best fans up there. Just ask the URC sprint club why they will never go back to run there.It's nice to get to a track on wednesday and have to park in the mud.

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Hey did I say the nova was my girls hahahah .Is that camaro you got red with a white strip down the side ?

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Guys,
How much money for 1st would it take for you to come up?
32 car field 5rds racing. $300 a round win for 1st. Just curious.
Lets be real about it also, in a bad economy.

Why don't you guys bring up some balls and juggle them or pull a blown hemi out of a hat ,isn't that what clowns do?
You might get free entry for that. :D

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FYI ... the payout for Super is $15 dollars per car entered. ( For thoses clowns who need help 64 cars x 16 = $960 ) There are 11 sponsored points races this year that are $1000 to win no matter of car count . If there are more than 67 cars the payout will increase. As far as the quick 32 with a 11:49 bump . This is to insure that we will have a full field, If the Fast guys stop pissing and moaning about the bump and show up to race it can be lowered but you have to race to do this . The ball is in your court so show us what you got !!!!:eek:

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Well said Wayne.

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Wayne,
So you guys are bumping the purses to $15 per car for this year in Super?
That's great.

Last year it was $10 per car, my wife won with 56 cars in SP and recieved $560.
Either that or some one owes her some $$$ :-)

As was stated, in this economy the purses need to be higher for racers to make the drive so they can feel they can get a return on their investment.
We're fortunate that we're close to LVD however some guys have a 4-5 hour ride. If you add up all of their expenses (fuel to get ot the track = biggest, race fuel, insurance, maintenance, heck tires for the year is almost $2000) it costs the average guy with one of these types of cars a little over $200 per run (that's without breaking anything).

As far as the 11.49 ET thing goes, I think what is being said is that a 400 HP car has a HUGE advantage over a 2500 HP car UNLESS the track is prepped perfectly. If the track is prepped good it's anybody's race.

I THINK those are the points Bill is making.

If the track has TEETH and the payout is good the racers will come.

Bill,
I noticed ATCO is having several PM, TS, TD races this year, will you be attending any?

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Frank last year it was 10 per car . This year super will be $60 and 15 to winner per car . $50 round money with 3rd round losers. I understand a lesser HP car can have an advantage , if enough Faster cars show the slower guys will be bumped . As you know without question Steve preps the whole track the same way every time. Some days are better than others as the weather changes.We can not and will not let racers in for free and have higher payouts , just because they are fast. As you know Saturdays are not a big spectator day and to advertise would just add to cost. We need to work together with what we have to make it the best we can . I'm working to get the track back in the right direction. It will take time and dedication from everyone involved .

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Saw that as well Frank. That is def a race for you Bill !!! Never any issues with Atco. Let's see how many people run at the Atco Top Dragster race? I think it might be a safe bet you will have many six second players there. Some low six, some high six but they will be fast.

I will leave it up to everyones own mind to figure out why this will be :rolleyes:

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Let me clarify what I said/ment by not having Mr. Hemi come to the valley , if there are BIG(ger) $$$ races closer to your home with $2500 to win & FREE entry as you claim WHY DRIVE UP?
Does that make sense now?
And please telll me what track(s)? MIR? Delmar? Capitol? Hagerstown? Cecil Co.?
Does that make sense now?
Do 6-8 runs in a day wear you out?
You say you want to race but you never said how much purse money it would take to get you to come up.
I was being sarcastic in my 1st post for good reason, you sounded like trouble and I was correct.
Again THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION.

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Blown Hemi

If you are going to insult a track and its competitors, you could at least do it with first hand knowledge. I have no idea who evil clown or lvd racer are, but for an"almost pro mod" racer to get into an internet insult contest about a track you have never been and racers you have never met seems a little unprofessional. Debbie Moses stated you should stay close to home because it was FREE and you were being paid to show up, win or lose, not because LVD is mudbog without enough paved parking for your rig. I have no problem with people speaking up to argue a point, however a little courtesy for others goes a long way. I race at LVD, it is a nice facility. I have been as vocal as anyone about its problems, but I won't do it hiding behind a pen name from hundreds of miles away

Bill Krug
T/D 1531
S/C1531
S/G153K

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Bill,
Nice to hear some positives about LVD i thought i was the only one fighting back about this B.S. nonsense.
Like Wayne said he is working on bringing back more racers its going to take alittle time.
I feel there is a "group" hiding behind screen names that like to try and belittle LVD.
Since I,m not attacking the valley I see no need to post my name for now.
It seems like "some" people are alittle pissed that LVD and Ken/Debbie got together to do these races and are trying to undermind it before it starts.
WHY?

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Just to adress your safety concern. I have gone 6.8s at lebanon valley several times. I have friends who have gone 6.8 and 6.7s there. None of us have ever had a problem. I think the people your hearing from represent a small minority Trust me If I had a safety concern I would park my car in a second. I have been there on days when the track was supposedly terrible according to other racers with cars a lot slower than mine. Never had a problem myself. In fact we werer there one of those days with my fathers front engine car with 12 inch tires running mid to low sevens. He never had a problem while high seven second cars were whining about the track. Makes me wonder if maybe they need to stop making excuses and fix their combination.

An old comp elminator racer once told us the track gives us a track to race on. Its up to us to get down it. If its unsafe thats one thing. But every track is not going to be perfect every time.

As to not wanting to race slower cars whats that about. I am there to race. I will race whoever is alongside me. Its bracket racing. No matter what you call it. whoever cuts the light and can drive the stripe better is going to win.

B.J. Masiello

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Hi B.J. ,
Good post.
Talk about tracks and racing conditions.You guys complaining about the valley ,check out the post from the super stock guys 1st round pomona. The "WINTER NATIONALS" complaining about 1st round tire spin. These guys are not even close to 6/7 sec. runs.

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Blown hemi
Here is a little banter for you. People that build Pro-Mods that run 6.50 are not going to qualify unless the REAL Pro-Mod guys are all snowed in. Running 6.50 at any heads -up race that pays $10,000 should not even make the show. If you can win a bunch of $10,000 races running that slow make us a list of when and where, I'll buy one too. I can't stand idiots that want to go fast, and then whine when it does not hook all the time. Professional heads-up racing is about racing the track and tuning the car to perform in all conditions.
AS soon as you found out the Quick 16 race wasn't for you, you could have let it go.This is a CLASS RACER forum, not a Pro-Mod wannabee forum. If you need to feel good about yourself try waxing your car and tell yourself how "Pretty"it is.

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That was histerical Bill!!

Pro Mod wannabie classic!

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LMFAO !!!!

I can pull up a chair with a bag of popcorn - you guys are hilarious !!!!

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Blown EGO
All of a sudden a "little banter" has struck a nerve. Don't go away mad, just go away. Or
Why don't you tell us how YOU set the purses at the tracks you race at. Last I knew only exhibition cars set their own rates. You are just another loudmouth that can't bracket race, but can't race with the big boys so you try to make your own class and talk down to people. I have a big blue bottle that says I can run in the 6's anytime I want. Unlike nitwits like you I wont bring a car to the track and race in a class I can't win.

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Wait Blown Hemi tell me where down here in the south we can go to race for free and recieve a great payout!! i don't want to travel north. Some day i hope to run as fast as you .Do you have any words of advise for a average racer wanting to step up ???:D

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Blown EGO

Where did you go? I have endless banter for you. You liked dishing it out but you don't like the truth back at you.

This year that "pathetic little track" had a bad flood in the middle of the night, a racer called me because one of my cars was down there in a trailer. When I got there the staff and a bunch of racers were working in thigh to chest deep mucky, oily flood water to try and get everybody's equipment to safety. Not just people they knew but everyone's stuff. The staff worked tirelessly to clean up, and many racers donated parts and helped others clean and repair the damage to their cars, trailers and motorhomes. They did not have to paid to show up, they just came out to help.I have raced at most of the biggest and best tracks on the east coast, but I would rather park in a muddy field and race for free on a skating rink with people like that, than put up with Blown EGOs like you.

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blown hemi we need to stick together that krugracing dude sounds mean . well i gotta go 4 now think the cops r knocking on my trailer door .:eek:

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Bill,
I could not have said it any better myself.
Just a thought ........I think we should vote you for the "bouncer" job at the valley.;)

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Lebanon Valley Dragway does not need a bouncer. It is nice and safe facility with a lot of real nice people. There are no "perfect dragstrips". Anywhere you go to race there is always an issue or two. I may not agree with everything they do and I speak up when I think something is wrong or can be better. But I will do it face to face in the tower or at least identify myself on the internet.

Blown EGO

Respect is earned, not given at the timeslip booth because you run 6.50.

P.S. You never did tell us where all the Big Money races are.

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Hi Bill,
Just trying to add alittle humor to your straight foward comments. Yes you are correct LVD does not need a bouncer (just a joke). All my comments made here is because I like the valley and hate to see/read all this bad b.s. about the racers/owner/manager/track mud boggs muddy pits/parking **** food dirt on the track etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.