Emmons vs Emmons
 

Why is it that everytime an Emmons has to race another Emmons, one ends up broken or giving it away at the starting line?? Personally, I'm sick and tired of this game. If the race isn't going to be run fairly, then leave you *** at home and quit trying to give the "impression" that there's actually going to be a race. If someone needs points worse than another, earn them...just stop with the charades. It's embarassing.

I don't know if this actually happened at Tulsa, but I've witnessed it time and time again. There shouldn't be a hierarchy in sportman racing. If you think this is acceptable, you should declassify yourselves as sportsman racers and move on.

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It's just like the pros. When you have a sponsor you need and got to do everything to make sure one of them cars get a win and first place in the points. Hats off to those guys, they do an excellent job doing that. They are a great bunch of racers, and really nice guys. Wouldn't suprise me if the number 1 isnt on the side of one of their cars this year.

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Come on give these guys a break. They are great racers and fine people. Who wouldn't lay down for his brother. It's done all the time by different racers. So just go beat them if you have a gripe, but FAMILY rules. Good job boys go get them......

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All the Emmons are stand up people and i was personally there and watched and Gary's car died and would not start back up and I don't know anyone who was in there situation that would not do the same thing anyways. Awesome people and even better racers

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Those boys deserve a better fate than the MF'ing they get on here,
for what it is worth, Gary SS car struggled all weekend with performance issues, as for their " race", after pulling in the water Gary's car would not fire, traced later to be a faulty battery charger, and a little technical difficulties in the pits, there was no "games to be played" or any other internet conjecture, it simply was a mechanical failure, that I'm sure if you speak with them instead of running your fingers...will not happen again.
I guess when you have the success they have you are bound to encounter some questions to the team orders and other unfound BS, trust me ....have they done this in the past, sure, will they do it again maybe , but this time there was no funny business. I'm sure Forrest and Charlotte support these boys on their performance, personalable attributes and racing accumen, not for on a who's turn is it to win today mentality;).
Good luck finding the smoking gun on this one!!!
I race these boys all the time, maybe I should look into a "deal " next time we meet!!! Yeah right!!!
Flame on.................
Turkman

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Mike,
Just for arguments sake lets just say that you and your Dad were at a race with 2 cars and it was REALLY important that he won the round.... I find it hard to believe that you would try to cut him off at the knees... I do know for sure that Gary "this" time did have mechanical issues all weekend. We were on the phone with him numerous times looking at the injection tuneup and trying to figure some things out. Remember there are LOTS of issues that enter into the race today. Unfortunately it isn't a good ole boys race at the local track any more with the costs etc. Cut them some slack they really are good guys!
Larry DeForrest

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These are great guys that do a great job. I don't fault them at all. Gary's car did have problems all weekend. This one was for real, if that really matters.

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These guys ARE great people. It's not about that. We experienced this first-hand at Dallas (if I remember right). Lost to one of them and that car instantly went into the trailer. If we would have won, we would had a shot at another brother, but instead we get "The car doesn't have all the contingency decals on it, so it wouldn't be worth winning the race". Henceforth, brother number two gets a bye next round. THAT's BS!! We all have struggles from time to time. It's just when you see this repeated, people tend to lose the benefit of the doubt, even if it's not intentional. Like I said, I didn't know if that was what happened in Tulsa, but I'm glad to know it wasn't intentional. There's just too much bogus stuff happening in the world today. We have to keep some things pure. I was in a mood here in my office earlier, I guess I'll step back down from my soapbox. I didn't mean to ruffle feathers, just making an observation.

Larry - My dad and I have always felt that there should never be a thrown race. That has been prevelant in the PRO's over the years. It might be different if we were in that situation, but I highly doubt it. If the season came down to a round between the two of us, it would be "better luck next year", in my opinion, and I know he would want the same.

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I totally agree....Maybe Mike's just made because the last couple times "Da Boys" came to the big dance in Kansas Gary left with the Wally with NO help from team rules.

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None of those boys need help.

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Apparently, I shouldn't have said anything. They are a great family, and they are truly great racers. I guess in this day and age, if we see something that doesn't feel right or sit right in our gut, we should just clam up and keep it to ourselves.

Nevermind I said anything, you are obviously all right, and I should just go along with it because that is what society dictates. And Charlotte Lucus should just enter any race she wants to (early), because they sponsor the sportsmen. Give me a break.

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Amen!

They can G.A.S. with anyone, anytime and hold their own.

Besides being some of the best S/SS racers on the planet, they are indeed one of the greatest/nicest/friendlyest, and most helpful racing families we have ever had the pleasure of meeting and racing with.

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The entire Emmons gang are a class act. Why compete against a teammate when they are further in the points? Wouldnt that be counter productive? As far as I am concerned they pay thier entry just like everyone else. If they decide to throw a race that is up to them.

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I'm glad it's not the motor that he thought it was as they pushed it away from the waterbox!

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I want to add too what many are saying about a great family and they are among the greatest racers on the planet.
Terry let me borrow his stocker motor when I had broke mine in the middle of the season and I didn't know when I would get to race again. He was willing to let me keep it as long as I needed. Where can you find a friend like that?
As to Mike's point, anyone can make a decision not to race someone. They may flip a coin in the pits and only the winner show at the line or agree that one will redlight and the other idle down the track. The only victim is the one who agrees to lose. They paid their way to the race and their entry fees.

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[QUOTE=Richard Grant;195189 The only victim is the one who agrees to lose. They paid their way to the race and their entry fees.[/QUOTE]

Re think that.Anyone running for points gets the shaftaroo when shenanigans like that go on.What happens if he wins either his division or the world by 9 points?That's the big picture.

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I have no fish in this pond, but at chicago me and my dad were watching 2nd round of super stock and 2 of the Emmons boys had to race each other, and 1 didnt show, my dad informed me right then and there that if we ever have to race each other he is gonna try to kick my ***! lol. As for me I agree with what most ppl are saying they pay to play so they can do whatever they want! Go get em boys!
Aaron Disinger
gt/ia 327y

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This post is an alltime LOW for this site. Why dont you worry about winning your own races instead of how others win theirs. I guess Gary won the Div in stock and superstock because his brothers let him beat them? Maybe you should read your rediculous post before you submit it.

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If you're referring to my post I stand by what I said.If you lose a divisional or national
championship by 9 or less points it could just be the round someone was was handed
that could be the difference.This applys to ANYONE,not just the Emmon's.
This thread is turning out like all others in that if anyone you know is called out they are defended as being good guys.And it's probably so,but diving for a friend,relative,whatever
is a choice you make and have to take heat for in the aftermath.

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Actually I was talking about who started this thread.....So when did you lose a divisional or national championship by 9 points??? Oh, wait a minute, you saif "IF". Great argument Ed and im sure "IF" the national championship comes down to you and one of them, you can work it out.

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I can understand how some people can be upset with this. But its racing... and whether people like to admit it or not. Stock and Super Stock is a team sport, you need help from others to succeed. I know when ever I race 1 emmons I race 4 because they will all help each other out by tips on opponents driving style, heads up, weather changes and so on. So I don't look at this as cheap racing style but what makes them Great drivers instead of good drivers.

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I don't compete nationally but if I did I wouldn't be happy with anyone diving.And as a matter of fact I know someone who's come close to the national championship twice.
I never notied if the guy who came out #1 was handed any rounds but I know for sure here in Div 1 he wasn't given anything.His downfall was a few heads ups that he couldn't get past.That was unfortunate,but that's real racing,not laying down.
Maybe some day this may cost you a race and you'll see it a little different.
Maybe you'll post your come back like an adult.

Quote "So I don't look at this as cheap racing style but what makes them Great drivers instead of good drivers."
What makes putting your car in the box a great driver?

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If you don't like what the Emmons' do, then go enter 3 Nationals and 5 Divisionals and win every one of them and then you don't have to worry about it.

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Leave the Emmons boys alone - they are stand up guys

I think some people posting here have never had the opportunity to "lay down"

For a son, or dad, or brother, or a good friend, or yes, even a TEAMMATE - if they need it - who knows what you would do if given the chance

I know what I would do if it mattered

I know one other thing - I think it is way worse when someone lays down for money - or don't you think that has ever happened

What part of the word TEAM don't you understand

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Hey, this is a family forum! ;-)

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The Emmons boys already have you beat if you have to race them. I love it when people worry about what other people are doing more than they worry about their own program.

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The Emmons boys almost never run each other in the 1st round so all you have to do is beat them when YOU run them and you don't have to worry about them taking dives for each other in the later rounds. Problem solved.

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You guys miss the whole concept of what I said.I'm not picking on anybody in particular.
Their name came up in the original post.I'm talking about someone laying down in a race
by either fouling on purpose lifting wayyyyy early or not showing up at all.If ithas a direct
impact on a championship then I think that's bull$hit.The recipient,if he goes on to be champion can relly feel real pride in accomplishment,yeah right.This is only a hypothetical
example,not a direct smear on anyone in particular.If you read anything else into it other than what I just said that's your business.

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Maybe if they actually raced each other, he wouldn't have won. It's a lot easier to "earn" a championship, I suppose, if you're handed rounds along the way. As for all time LOW. Get real. I have never once questioned who they are as people. They are wonderful individuals.

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Mike, anybody that good with an adjustable trans brake button could go a little red or be a little late to loose if they wanted, and nobody would know the difference. Why fake it?

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Mike your post is getting worse the more you type, maybe you should leave it alone. Im pretty sure he deserves the credit for being the Div champ, dont try to take that away from the man that won (earned) the two titles. Byron said it right, "you are already beat". Are they really keeping you from winning?

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No, they're not keeping me or anyone from winning. That's never been the point. The point has always been not racing the race. Why would you think we're beat? We've gotten the win light before when racing the Lucas cars. Can you say that? The post gets worse and worse when idiots like you think that handing someone a round win is in some way earning something. You can think it's morally okay...you'd just be wrong.

I am done with this post. It's a waste of my time arguing with you. I've had enough PM's to validate my point. Keep standing up for what shouldn't be allowed in sportsman racing. I'll bet you're an Osama supporter as well.

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I think you just proved my point. I didnt mean winning, I meant whining.

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Obama?? lets stay above the belt here...

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They do have a rule against this in the pros. Although I think they would have a hard time proving it.

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Ask Ashley Force about that.

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In case you did not know, her name is Ashley Hood.

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I couldn't give a flying flock if her name was hood,trunk,bumper,,whatever.Her name doesn't really matter.The point is she got hosed last year in favor of Hight.She had the better car going into the last four races.WheelsUp,what a unique name.

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What my car does every time it leaves the line.

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Let's see a picture of your car.