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Its up!

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Any way that you can post a link? I have looked all over the website and wish they would make it a bit more obvious.

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They are posted on the front page of http://sportsman.nhra.com/

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Andrew,

Thanks for the help! :)

For others that are as challenged as I was, this is the actual link.

http://www.nhra.net/content/sportsma...1919&zoneid=85

And the link for the reductions by competitor request.

http://www.nhra.net/content/sportsma...1920&zoneid=85

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I sure thought that SS/N 302" Mustang would get a couple.

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Now how can anyone whine about nhra. All you have to do to make your car faster is whine to them and they pick it up for ya. How cool is that? Just the price of a stamp. No shop time, no big bucks. Never could figure that out.

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The no changes are about 5 to 1 to changes in stock. So Harry I do not agree with that statement.

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why, I hope it doesnt :D

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That little car is quick, isn't it? I have a friend that would like it to get about 50. :D

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so now the L88 corvette is rated 1 hp less than our 435hp combo in the same car. that's retarded, and I even wrote a letter to try and get a 5hp reduction.

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Anyone didnt see this one coming ?

Dodge 370 385 390 399 2009 Challenger

How do you arrive at a 9 hp increase.

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2.25% increase based on a run of 1.17 under at a national event and an average of .85 under for the engine combination with an automatic transmission at national event year-to-date, or .85 under since the hp factor was last adjusted this year.

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'cause it only gets one carburetor and you get three carburetors? :D

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Ug, when it's a power increase, the '81 Camaro gets lumped in with the '82-'84. When its a reduction it gets left out. Hopefully its a typo.

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But Jeff didn't say or know is the 427/435 is also one full point of comp less and also has a smaller cam than the L88. how in the heck did somebody get HP off an L88. I see they didn't reduce the HP on the ZL1, it's still at 445 and it's the same except the cam as an L88. Well gota go now and see if putting my fingers in a wall socket will help me understand how they think?

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That was one of 'dem tongue-n-cheek statements! :D

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but i have an intake manifold that got ran over by a concrete truck, and a little cam, etc etc. but by NHRA's logic you're probably right

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So you are saying the longer you race a combination you are making less power? I don't understand the reason for lowering hp unless it was to high to begin with which is very rare.

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Harry I think you still feel that stock and super stock are a performance based eliminator. I do not agree with that. In the sixties they and early seventies it was based on performance. Today these eliminators mostly resemble brackets. Heads up in stock elimination account for between 2% and 12% of the total runs in the eliminator, less in super stock. Class is a side show to the eliminator. When class is run at a particular meet it does draw more entries. I am not saying there is no interest in class, just pointing out that is far less important than it use to be. The horsepower reductions are based on requests. Not everyone is going to be satisfied with the results.

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Well said and that is whats wrong with stock eliminator. Too much shoe polish and not enough drag racing.

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You should have to win class to run the eliminator like when I was racing up until around 1978. If you dont win class then you dont deserve to run the eliminator. The AHFS would take care of those underrated HP factors in a hurry if they did that and put the PERFORMANCE back into stock and S/S. Just my 2 1/2 cents.

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I do not agree with that. I would say at this time neither does NHRA.

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That takes it a bit too far, Terry. It would never survive that. Those of us who have to race the new killers would never show up. No way you can justify paying what it costs to go to a race knowing you don't have a prayer of getting to a nickel of payout money. It'd take twice as long to get the AHFS to work.

If they'd run class everywhere, go to 1 pound weight breaks, and most importantly, make it pay money and points to win class and qualify well, then you'd see performance come back and the AHFS start working.

That wouldn't force a situation where most of the cars would never make it to the final eliminations. Because if you did that, you'd keep most people home and kill the whole thing in a year.

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That would be the smart thing that way all A-E cars can just stay home unless you have a drag pak or cobra jet. As bad as the economy is this would end stock/ss racing. We are in 2010 not 1978. Things will change over time. This will never happen.

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Can someone enlighten me as to the advantages of a 1 lb. weight break? I fail to see how that fixes anything. Sounds DECENT for a lower horsepower car that might have to add 200-300 lbs to move between classes, but what about the high horsepower stuff?

Example:

'10 Super Cobra Jet rated @ 500 hp.

6.00 lb. class = 3170 lbs
7.00 lb. class = 3670 lbs

I for one would not like having to find/remove 500 lbs. of weight to change classes. Is that the idea? To keep people in one class?

I'll say this much: that'd keep the Belvedere locked away for the rest of its life. I can't get to 3170 and I don't feel like turning it into a lead sled.

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That says it all right there.

x-tech needs to get out of the 70s or go to the nostalgia drag racing board.

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Well...... the money and GOOD jobs were hard to come by in 1977-78 also. I towed from Maryland about 16 hours to Bowling Green Ky for the sports Nats. in 1978..... Got beat in the final for class by Phil Hardee. Close race for the times. I think it was 10.97 to an 11.01 and I had a better light. Didnt get to run on Sunday. Lots of SS/IA cars in the class. Towed to Gainsville 14 hours for the Gators.....got beat in the semis for class. Didnt get to race on Sunday. Towed to Suffolk Raceway for a points race and the Little Guy Nationals later in the year. Guess what.....I got to run the eliminator and got beat but you never heard me whine or cry about getting out run by a bogus under rated combo. Yes even the 350/255 HP was factored by then.In relation to the money we made in 1977-78 and what gas cost Tell me WHATS DIFFERENT today? We accually RACED wide open for CLASS. We didnt dump at a 1000 ft. SS/IA was one of the most populated classes just as AA/SA and A/SA is today. I know it wont happen again today or tomorrow but its a "*******" way to race. Its not living back in the 78 era. Its called DRAG RACING ! Might as well run Super Pro and save the expense. If NHRA would get off thier ***** and get some people with brains and get the HP factors in line this AHFS crap and guarding your combs would not hold the fast cars as prisoners of their own stupidity and you could save money on shoe polish. . Im tired and just drove 12 hours and looking at 4-5 tomorrow so I can go to Carlise and the Nostalgia show in York Pa. after another 3 hours with a friend of mine Friday morning. I have NO sympathy for what the legal (if you can call it that) class racing has turned into. One Giant BRACKET RACE is all it is. Whats the percentage of heads up runs at most events? 2 to 4 % maybe. No wonder a lot of sponsors are getting out and your letting NHRA stick "IT" in deeper every time you guys bend over but Im stupid also if I can get out by next year. I sure as hell wont run at part throttle if it runs fast.

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I agree that that's a bit much to ask for shuffling weight. Well, then, a little common sense should be used. Fine, keep half-pound breaks for the very upper classes, then go to .75lb breaks a little further down, and then to full pound breaks. I have to move ridiculous amounts of weight to move classes in FWD, and sticks n' autos are combined. Y'all can do it, too, within reason. If classes have indexes that are the same or within .05, then they can be combined. I made a spreadsheet before that showed how you could readily combine a *significant* number of classes. Less classes = more heads-up runs or "class racing".

I find it odd/comical/sad that I'm the *bracket racer* here, and so many of the hard core "class racers" run screaming to protect their own interests when you actually try to do something to bring the class racing back to class racing. Too many of them like to just pretend they are performance-based racers. Pretty darn rare for me to do a 1000' dump in a bracket race! :p

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Thank you Jeff, I forgot about records. You're correct, records should be worth points.

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P.S. I congratulate guys like Eric Merryfield. You go guy !

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Well, the idea behind one pound weight breaks is to consolidate classes. Yes, one pound weight breaks would tend to keep you from moving between classes. That is not the reason for it at all, it is just one of the side effects.

What would you have done two years or so ago before we campaigned for and got AA? The break for A was 8.0 back then, that was as light as you could get. What Belvedere are you going to race in Stock that is rated at 500HP?

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The mustang and hemi still did not get hurt much in my opinion ( I don't have a car so I have no axe to grind) Them cars are rockets and I would hate to be in class with them. I understand that NHRA needs corporate involvement in racing so after the new wears off the "new" rockets maybe the playing field will be leveled. Thank goodness the manufacturers are willing to pump some $$'s and interest in the sport! Hopefully The next election will purge the crap out of the political machine and the country can get back on the right track! Don Jackson

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L88 Corvette 434 hp OEM head only

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Hopefully The next election will purge the crap out of the political machine and the country can get back on the right track! Don Jackson

From your mouth to God's ear Don!!! Jim


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It would be good also to match the field with the quota. Why not allow at least 70 cars into a 64 car field. At least there wouldn't be guys dragging the brakes to be the bottom qualifier.

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[QUOTE=Michael Beard;

I find it odd/comical/sad that I'm the *bracket racer* here, and so many of the hard core "class racers" run screaming to protect their own interests when you actually try to do something to bring the class racing back to class racing. Too many of them like to just pretend they are performance-based racers.

That pretty well sums it up for me! Everything is done "In MY best interest". There are very few racers left that will consider what is good for the Eliminator or for that matter what is "Right or wrong" and "Legal or not" and why should they! The people running the sanctioning body are either ignorant of what is going on or just don't care. Welcome to the 21st. century! And stop wondering how Nobama managed to get elected!

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The reason the sanctioning body gets away with crap is found in the 2nd and 3rd sentences. Racers refuse to get together for the bettering of the class, they're too busy furthering their own cause.

However, that 4th sentence, the idea that the sanctioning body is either ignorant or oblivious, is false. They know exactly what they're doing and what is going on. They can get away with it because of the 2nd and 3rd sentences.

We wouldn't benefit from money and points for class, we're not fast enough. We wouldn't benefit from money and points for qualifying, we're not fast enough. We wouldn't benefit from points for records for the same reason. And one pound weight breaks would just lock us into one class, we couldn't move to avoid the new super cars.

So we have nothing to gain from what I suggested, especially not in the short term. We might or might not be hurt by what I suggested, depending on the circumstances. But I see where moving the class back towards the performance based side of things would be good for the health of the class. And in the end, what is good for the class is good for the people racing in the class.

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Alan, Jared raced his grandfather's (Harry Holton) '65 Hemi Belvedere in SS/BA. I think he was referring to 1 pound weight breaks in upper Super Stock classes would make for a lot of weight to be added/removed to move to a different class. I remember some complaints when NHRA had FI Stock, and an LS-1 had to move 336 pounds up or down (rated 336 at the time) to move up to A/FI or down to C/FI, so a car would have needed 672 total moveable weight to change within the legal classes. In S/S, it would be worse, as all the cars in SS/A to SS/E are rated 400-500 HP.

Personally, I am 100% in favor of changing the rule to "a car can run ONLY in it's natural class". You can remove weight to make the top of your natural class, but nothing else. No moving up or down at all. That would eliminate some of the games and the "hiding".

-EDIT- The exception would be for a car that can not make a class, per the rules. Example, V-8 cars can not compete in V/SA, so a natural V car would have to run U, or the rule would have to ammended. Same with a 6 cylinder can not compete in W/SA, so it would have to move to V.

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[QUOTE=Alan Roehrich; And in the end, what is good for the class is good for the people racing in the class.

Thank you! Now how do we get racers to all "agree on anything"! Alan, any racer that knows me has heard this quote,"Racers as a whole are so damned stupid that it's amazing we manage to feed ourselves".
I hope that at some point in time we all wake the hell up!