CLASS RACER FORUM - 1967 ss/ea

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Jimmy,

The first year for the expanded Super/Stock classes was in
1967.
First utilized at the Winternationals at Pomona (January 1967)
SS/A thru SS/E (10 classes; 5 manual and 5 automatic)

The SS/E class weight/horsepower break was 9.48 and up.

The primary cars were;
SS/E.......1967 Chevrolet Z-28 Camaro 302/290 HP (2955 lbs.)
SS/EA....1967 Plymouth GTX 440/375 HP (3604 lbs.)

At the start of the year, a 13.03 minimum was set for SS/EA.
Then dropped to 12.90 (February 1967)
Then dropped to 12.70 (April 1967)

Paul

Cars that qualified for SS/E or SS/EA in 1967.

PLYMOUTH
67' GTX 440/375 HP (#3604 lbs.)
65' Belvedere 426/365 HP Street-Wedge (#3516 lbs.)
64' Fury (convertible) 426/365 HP Street-Wedge (#3482 lbs.)
64' Belvedere 383/330 HP (#3330 lbs.)
63' Belvedere 383/330 HP (#3267 lbs.)
62' Sport Fury 383/343 HP (dual-quad) (#3272 lbs.)

DODGE
67' R/T 440/375 HP (#3641 lbs.)
67' Charger 440/375 HP (#3728 lbs.)
65' Coronet 426/365 HP Street-Wedge (#3550 lbs.)
64' Polara (convertible) 426/365 HP Street-Wedge (#3471 lbs.)
64' Model #330 383/330 HP (#3313 lbs.)
63' Model #330 383/330 HP (#3261 lbs.)
62' Model #440 383/343 HP (dual-quad) (#3261 lbs.)

FORD
67' Mustang GT 390/320 HP (#3075 lbs.)
66' Mercury Cyclone GT 390/335 HP (#3313 lbs.)
66' Galaxie 500 XL 427/410 HP (#3887 lbs.)

Cars That Qualified for SS/E or SS/EA in 1967;

PONTIAC
67' GTO 400/360 HP (#3424 lbs.)
67' Firebrid 400/325 HP (non-Ram Air) (#3190 lbs.)
66' GTO 389/360 HP (Tri-Power) (#3444 lbs.)
65' GTO 389/360 HP (Tri-Power) (#3467 lbs.)
64' GTO 389/348 HP (Tri-Power) (#3306 lbs.)
63' Catalina 421/370 HP (#3682 lbs.)

OLDSMOBILE
67' 4-4-2 400/360 HP (#3451 lbs.)
66' 4-4-2 400/360 HP (Tri-Power) (#3452 lbs.)
65' 4-4-2 400/345 HP (#3395 lbs.)

BUICK
67' Gran Sport 400/340 HP (#3451 lbs.)
66' Gran Sport 401/332 HP (#3520 lbs.)
65' Gran Sport 401/325 HP (#3393 lbs.)

Cars That Qualified For SS/E or SS/EA in 1967;

CHEVROLET
67' Z-28 Camaro 302/290 HP (#2955 lbs.)
67' Camaro 350/295 HP (#2991 lbs.)
67' Camaro 396/325 HP (manual) (#3161 lbs.)
67' Camaro 396/325 HP (automatic) (#3217 lbs.)
67' Biscayne/Bel Air 427/385 HP (#3730 lbs.)
67' Chevelle SS 396 396/350 HP (#3337 lbs.)
66' Biscayne/Bel Air 427/390 HP (#3720 lbs.)
66' Chevelle SS 396 396/360 HP (convertible) (#3468 lbs.)

Jimmy,

Dick Arons set the SS/EA E.T. record in August 1967.
12.13 @ 118.11

Dick also made it to the 1967 Wolrd Finals at Tulsa, Oklahoma.
He was Super/Stock Eliminator Runner-up.
Lost to Ed Miller's 65 SS/A Hemi Plymouth.
Dick cornered the traction problem at Tulsa, with the 396/325 HP automatic
67' Camaro.

Gene Takash with a 67' R/T 440/375 HP won the SS/EA class at
the 67' Indy Nationals.

pc

Jimmy,

In 1967,
Dick Arons car was a 1967 Camaro coupe, and painted maroon.
An L-35 396/325 HP automatic.
Ran in SS/EA.
1( Won the Super/Stock Magazine Nationals at Cecil County in June 1967.
2) Set SS/EA recored with a 12.13.
3) Super/Stock Eliminator Runner-Up at the 1967 NHRA World Finals
at Tulsa, Oklahoma.

He also had a 396/325 HP Camaro convertible.

pc

PC interesting info on the 67 SS/EA class and the various cars. I'll have to dig around for some more old photo's of these cars, and it seems that most of the 383 & 440 powered Dodge & Plymouth's were in this class and the 426 Hemi powered B-body cars were in SS/B & SS/D classes from what I've seen.
http://inlinethumb38.webshots.com/44...600x600Q85.jpg

http://classracer.com/classforum/att...6&d=1308104134

Hey PC, I'm going to use some of those PM's that you sent me on this subject,
I hope you don't mind...

PC:
In early 1967, Sox & Martin ran a 67' GTX 440 in SS/E.

That car won the SS/E class at the 67' NHRA Springnationals. It had run a best of 11.95 in beating the 67' Z-28's.

They also had the 67' Hemi GTX car (non Ram Air).

In April they got the 67' R/O Hemi Belvedere from Gate City Motors in North Carolina. That gave them (3) B-Body cars.

Of course they lettered the R/O Belvedere with GTX markings, which confused everyone.

HM:
Good info there, but I thought that they only ran two cars in 1967, the S&M 1967 440 GTX and the S&M 1967 Hemi GTX with a RO Hemi scoop added on, I didn't know they ran a third car. So are all of these S&M cars accounted for, or is there still one missing? There are a few big collectors out there, but I'm sure you know who they are.

PC:
I thought they only had (2) also,

The 67' 440 GTX was delivered in November 66.

The 67' GTX Hemi (w/fake scoops) was delivered in December 1966.

Both cars were at the 67' Winternationals (January 67' ) in Pomona.

The 67 R/O Belvedere (w/GTX lettering) was purchased (yes purchased!!) by Buddy Martin from Gate City Motors. I believe it was March or April.

If you look closely at the 68' NHRA Springnationals, Ronnie Sox was driving the 67' GTX Hemi (w/fake scoops), not the R/O. The GTX had bucket seats, the R/O a bench seat.

HM:
Good stuff, damn you have a very sharp eye, you should post some of this info / stats in the 67 SS/EA thread, it's very interesting.

PC:
I have a keen eye for the Mopars. Of course I have to be careful what I post, because many of the Sox & Martin guys proclaim to know everything.

Here's one, everyone thinks that the Carroll Fink 67' SS/DA that won the 70' Super/Stock Magazine Nationals was the ex-Sox & Martin R/O.

But Carroll Fink stated the he just painted the car in the Sox & Martin scheme, to fool everyone.

He bought his car from Hamilton Motors in Detroit. He also put on GTX badging. I just found that out.

HM:
PC that's some more interesting info you have there, and I remember seeing that old photo of Carroll Fink's 67 Hemi RO Belvedere aka the GTX, I think I have that shot some where's, I'll try to dig it up later.

PC:
I am as confused as everyone else... I just read the article, where Carroll Fink was quoted on his car. He said he got a deal on the Hamilton Motors car, something he would not have gotten from Sox & Martin.

Many guys with the R/O just switched out the front grille, popped on the Belvedere/GTX badge, and put on the GTX chrome flip-top gas cap. They did make the car look a little sharper.

You know Sox & Martin had to have Plymouth send them cars (out the back door) to help keep them solvent. They dumped many cars out there. Not all were their true drag-race cars.

HM:
I can't remember my comment or maybe I didn't reply back. I guess I had no comment because I was still stunned, so take your pick because I don't recall what the hell I said?

PC:
I have to check my magazine files. After Sox & Martin won the 68' Springnationals with the 67' Hemi GTX (SS/D).

I believe they focused on the;
68' SS/B Hemi Barracuda (and back-up car)
68' SS/C Hemi Road Runner
68' SS/D Hemi GTX
68' SS/F GTX 440

Chrysler-Plymouth was fickle on staying with the current year cars, primarily with the factory-backed teams. They were not keen on seeing older (last year model) cars winning. That's why so many of their cars were sold.

HM:
I hope everyone here enjoyed this little discussion, but would like to here from some of the brand x crowd out there about some old Chevy & Ford stories & photo's from back in the day!
.

Moose,

Check out the Sox & Martin SS/E (the before photo).
Doug's Headers.

That photo should be the 67' Winternationals at Pomona.

The 67' Hemi cars, all were equipped with Hooker Headers.

Doug Thorley was paying better sponsor money than Hooker
in 1967 and 1968.

pc

I actually I thought they were both of the same car, notice the fake hood scoops on the 67 440 GTX in the first photo, and the hood scoop in the second photo. But after looking a little harder at the photos I can see the scoops are a different color, and the white bucket seats w/headrests don't show up either. So it must be the ex-Sox & Martin 67 RO Hemi Belvedere then...maybe compare it to this photo then.
http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/30...600x600Q85.jpg

Post #12
The SS/B,,,,,,,,that is the R/O
Check out the gas cap,,,,,,painted......
Not a chrome-trimmed GTX unit.

Those Sox & Martin guys..........very tricky.

So which Sox & Martin car was this one at the Winter Nationals, the 67 Hemi GTX or the 67 Hemi RO Belvedere, I can't quite make out the number on the window.

http://inlinethumb20.webshots.com/47...600x600Q85.jpg

That is from the 1968 NHRA Winternationals,,,,,,

Super/Stock Eliminator
Hubert Platt SS/E 68' 428 Cobra-Jet
vs
Sox & Martin SS/D 67' 426 Hemi R/O Belvedere (w/GTX lettering)

Sometimes they would run 2 cars in the same class, to give them
better odds in SS/D.
67' GTX Hemi
67' R/O Belvedere Hemi (w/GTX lettering)

pc

photos from the recent Mopars in the Park in Farmington, MN

unknown if these are restored to a specific period of time, though?

(there was a wall right behind me, and always people on the other side, so these are the best photos I could get of them)

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...g/DSC_8076.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...g/DSC_8075.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...g/DSC_8074.jpg

In the "before" and "after" photos, the fender lettering "The Boss" is different. Also the #715 car and the #716 car show this difference,,,so I'm thinking the car at Pomona is the #716 car with the block style lettering, at least according to my old eyes.
Danny Durham

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine (Post 262875)

This is the car that I an Recreating for my Father ( Gene Takash )
Look Up in the Threads!

S&M ran three cars in 67.

1 - RO23 - Buddy bought it in May of 1967 from longtime sponsor Gate City Motor Company in Greensboro, North Carolina..

My only data on this car is it was raced at the Super Stock Nationals & Dave Strickler raced it at 67 Nats in SS/B.

Easily identified by shovel scoop - NO Hurst decal in rear sideglass.

2- ‘Hemi Belvedere’ - a modded 383 Belvedere fitted with a street Hemi

This car

- ran with a flat hood at 67 Winters in SS/C ,
- won SS/B and SS Eliminator at Spring Nats( with scoop) , and
- ran in SS/B af the 67 Nats (with scoop), AND
- the 68 Winters in SS/D - the car raced off against the Platt CJ Mustang...in SS/D still with scoop...because Chrysler declared it as a GTX, NOT an RO23.

It has a HURST decal in the rear sideglass - this is the easy way to id this car - This car did the bulk of SS/B, C and D work in 67/68...depending on the hood!

3 - a 440 ‘GTX’ - This car never ran a shovel scoop, and ran in SS/E in 67, SS/F in 68. It has no shovel scoop...and no HURST decal.

Thx to Steve Sasko for setting me straight.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol (Post 642733)

S&M ran three cars in 67.

RO23 - Buddy bought it in May of 1967 from longtime sponsor Gate City Motor Company in Greensboro, North Carolina. Ronnie was quite successful in this car, driving it to victory at the 1967 Bristol Springnationals. This was the only factory RO ’67 Hemi car the team had that year; they continued to run it into 1968 in SS/D. It us identifiable by the Cursiv style (Running writing) script ‘Lil Boss’ on the front qtr.

Lil Boss (Runnjng writing) - RO23 LW Belvedere II - SS/B
LIL BOSS (Block lettering) - Belvedere II with Hemi - SS/D, plain hood
LIL BOSS (Block lettering) - Belvedere II , 440, SS/EA, GTX hood

NONE of these cars were actual GTX’s. The SS/D car and the 440 car have Belvedere interiors and top sill chrome treatment.

The RO23s were not GTX’s ....ever.

I still have this flagged in my data.
The RO23 cars ran in the 7.00-7.69 class, with cold air scoop.

The GTX cars ran in the 7.70-8.69 class, with NO cold air.
I think that's right?

So, sure you could rebadge a Belvedere as a GTX, but seems NHRA would say "no" to the cold air hood, as the GTX didnt come that way.

Or, did they sneak an RO23, rebadged as a GTX, into 68=SS/D=7.70 class, WITH the cold air hood? That would have been illegal I think?

Then again some of these combos (all makes) were legal "for a while" and then officially illegal, so I'm not sure.

Ronnie seldom drove the R0 car. It was usually piloted by a hired driver. Ronnie drove the Hemi Belvedere that was updated to R0 specs after the parts became available. That was the car they kept through '68 at the direction of Chrysler. It ran SS/B in '67, and was moved to D in '68 with rule changes/new car releases. The cars were lettered as "GTX" early on, as Chrysler wanted to advertise the upscale model as opposed to the base Belvedere II. You can tell the difference between the II and the R0, as the II had a rectangular "Hemi" emblem where the "Belvedere" emblem was at the front of the fender after they converted the II to R0 specs. The R0 had the Belvedere emblem there. The II is with John Mahoney in Kansas, and has a vin tag from a '65 car with the car that S&M installed as NHRA was only looking for the R0 prefix on the VIN to make the car legal. Remember at this time, clones and bodies in white were a no go...the cars had to have a VIN tag stating the car was what it was supposed to be.

In '68, GTX trim was added when the car was moved to D...the R0 trim would have put the car in C, as the new Hemi A-Bodies were in B. The Street Hemi combination (which was essentially the same as the R0/W0) faired a lot better in D, than in C, where it had to go against '64/65 Hemi cars, for example.