502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

My wife & I have a 2500 pound tube frame altered set-up for a Big Block engine. We Bracket race at a 1/8th mile track with questionable traction.
We do not feel the need to be the fastest guy at our track. Does any one out there have any experience with one of the 502 Ram-Jet factory crate engines, Bracket Racing ? Several years ago I diassembled a 502-502 Crate Engine & Had Chapmans in Salt Lake City Mildly Port the heads and intake manifold. I Squared the Block Decks, Bushed and Bored the rods center to center, Honed with torque plates, Balanced, Reassembled engine complete with G.M. 502-502 Cam, Pistons, Carb & Manifold. It made 585 on the dyno. That is plenty of power to do what we want with this car. The unknown is the Ram-Jet F.I. Unit. Any Constructive Help wil be appreciated.
Thanks Larry D

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

Larry, bracket racing is all about keeping it simple aka KISS and the formula that works is overtired and underpowered as well a glide and a single 4 barrel carb.

That said, I've been bracket racing for 20 years and have yet to see one 502 Ram-Jet GM crate engine in any bracket car in any class. First and foremost is probably because for $11,000 you can buy/build a far better bracket engine.

You can build a decades proven 468-496 that will go hundreds of passes before needing to be freshened with nothing special factory cast iron heads, a victor jr. manifold and 850 carb that will make anywhere from 600 to 700+HP depending on the heads, cam and compression and you'll have money left over.

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

Ed, thats 600-800 HP.

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

Just a quick note to say. I have a small machine shop in the very middle of nowhere. Several years ago I ordered a Ram-Jet 502 Engine for a Customers Car. The Ram-Jet F.I. Unit would not fit under the hood. Because it came installed on the the 502 engine once it was removed from the engine it was un-returnable. So I purchased all the 502-502
Hardware from G.M. to make my customer happy. I was stuck with The Ram-Jet F.I. Unit. I havent been able to sell this unit and Its a Novel idea and I have all the parts to do it . Every Hot Rodder out there knowns what the E.C.M.'s have done for Engines in General. I am just asking can that also be a good thing for Bracket racing ?
Thanks Larry D

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

There's a reason why you haven't been able to sell it and No!

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

1320 Racer Thanks for your Imput ! !

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

You're not building an 800 HP 468-496 using factory cast iron heads from oil pan to carb for under $11K

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

I have, I would build them nonstop intake to pan for 11,000. Believe it or not its pretty easy to get 800 out of a 496, the down side is the power peak is on the low side.

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

I did say oil pan to carb and I kn ow what's required to get an honest 800HP out of a 496.

That said, you'd have a hard time convincing me and many others that you build/sell a 468-496 using factory castings that makes 800HP, proved on the track for $11K.

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

We know Johns been 138.3 @ 3615 in 800 feet air with no tuning with 32 degrees timing, this 10.7 compression engine made 774 on my dyno, I think its shows the power, another point of compression pushes it over 800. I wouldnt want to include the carb for 11,000.

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

1. 774HP ain't 800HP
2. we only know what he and you have stated and both you have a reputation not telling the whole truth. least of which is like his engine is backed up by a $6,000 lite weight trans and the air was more like -500'
3. this ain' the op's question or topic

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

Im very confident that on any calibrated SF 901 dyno, correcting @ 29.92, 60 degrees dry air, 0 humidity, I can make over 800 HP through my mufflers. And I would back it with big money, I guess thats all I can say. John trans is a 3000.00 trans. So if you run 131 in your chevelle, claiming 700 HP, how much HP does it take to run a 138.3 @ 3615-3630, fair question Ed. It would be interesting to see Johns car with a forward facing hood scoop, I believe we will see a 140 when he gets it dialed. John ran some tire spinning 138.3 MPH runs a week ago in 800 feet air.

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

as I have stated and proven before, his trans can't be bought for $3k used no mind new...

http://www.racingjunk.com/Transmissi...and-parts.html

just one of the many lies and misinformation posted about this car and it's performance on the net.

If you want to continue to debate it, start another thread.

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

So if you run 131 in your chevelle, claiming 700 HP, how much HP does it take to run a 138.3 @ 3615-3630, fair question Ed.

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

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Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

585, yes, but you will be RPM limited.

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

Ed, Coan makes several lightweight T350, they do make a 6000.00 dollar 350, but they also make a 3000.00 dollar version, this is what John runs. I bought a 6000.00 Coan ultralight 400 with 20 passes, mint condition for 3000.00 a couple weeks ago. The trans helps the car ET, but MPH is very little effected.

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

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Instructions, you still want to use the word "misinformation"?

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

straight from wilson himself back in January of '09....

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/show...lt#post1585676

You were saying:p

and here's what it cost today, 3+ years later...

http://www.coanracing.com/Catalog.as...uctDetail=1355

As I've told you before, save your lies, misinformation and sales pitches for team clueless!

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

Ok, its a 5000.00 trans, but it did start out as a 3000.00 trans. I stand corrected.

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

No, it's a $6,000 trans TODAY, nearly 3 1/2 years since his post!

http://www.coanracing.com/Catalog.as...uctDetail=1355

not to mention the required $430 shifter!

Your misinformation stands as such!:p

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

Well Ed, since your on a roll here why dont you put up the 11,000 and lets see if my oval port big block makes 800 HP, could be 11,000 for you for a simple dyno test, step up.

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

sure, go ahead and build it, send it to me and I'll wave my typical fee for testing manufacturers/builders parts and install it in a typical footbrake launched, small tire bracket car that won't be backed up by a $6k trans :rolleyes:, The ET slip is the final arbitor NOT a dyno!

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

That what I thought............

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

ain't interested in helping you build your business through lies, deception and misinformation while seeking out the clueless and naive.

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

I wouldnt rely on your expertise to make my engine look good after seeing what your came up with in 20 years of racing your 68 at "Disneyland":D

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

20 years ago my 4000+lb. streetcar/show car Chevelle with the stock 396/350HP under the hood was running mid 12's with a Q-Jet and through a full exhaust system.

16 years later and the year it was sold, the same all steel show quality car, now tipping the scales at 3880 lbs., still with power steering, power brakes, tilt wheel, full factory interior and a full exhaust under it ran well in the 9's with a restrictor plated 522 under the hood as well 137 MPH, wasn't backed by a $6,000 trans nor run in -500 feet air either:p and the pump gas, cast iron oval port headed 468 that was under the from '95 to 2007 ran a best 1.28 60 foot and 10.07 @ 131, 5 years ago in 2007 as well it was quicker and faster than every 468, 496, 502, most 540s and GM's 720HP 572 in similar weight, small tire Chevelles competing in Division 1 brackets.

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

9.89 @ Disneyland, with a aftermarket 522 @ 134 LOL in negative 1800 air, 30.4 baro, LOL LOL AW.

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

still trying to peddle that lie?:rolleyes:

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

1.28 60, still trying to peddle that lie, post the time slip, but you cant, can you.:D

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

sure I can, got the time slip right here and so does Bret but it's much more entertaining watching you beg for it cause team clueless's mascot with your junk under the hood ain't matched it no mind done better with more power backed by a $6,000 trans in a car that weighs at least 300 lbs. less and was run in -1600 air!

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

More lies and misinformation, you got no time slip, everyone wants to see it.

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

no they don't, only you want to see it cause you refuse to believe cause you and your boy ain't done it with more of everything meanwhile both Joe Abbazia in his B/SA '71 Chevelle and Kevin Borgstrom in his B/SA '69 Chevelle have both run 1.29 60 foot at least 5 years ago too, with less power under the hood, weighing less than my car and with more gear.:p

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

Excuse me,, but in my 44 years of involvement with drag racing I've NEVER seen an ET slip that shows how much HP a car is making,,, if hes claiming 800 hp for $11,000, make him prove it,, by using a dyno, then post the results on here for all to see, since you seem hell bent on making him prove his claim. I'm thinking he can do it,, so does he, and when you're talking horsepower, like we are here,,, the dyno IS the final word. Just make sure you're both present so there is no story fabrication going on.
If you throw the engine in a car after that, so what??,,, 10 different cars,,, 10 different ETs, the setups are always different.
I know,,, I've got no dog in this fight, but the way you come on here and slam people, it takes the fun out of reading these threads, and I don't plan on dumping Classracer any time soon, so get some manners,,, you do remember the "Golden Rule" don't you?
Danny Durham

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

Current weather information* for



Atco Raceway in Atco, New Jersey

• temperature = 41.0 deg f
• relative humidity = 79 %
• uncorrected barometer* = 29.84 Hg
• corrected barometer* = 29.93 Hg
• density altitude = -947.09 ft "Disneyland":eek:

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

whose racing at Atco now at 1:18am?

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

I spoke with Joe Monday, and well lets just say he wants to see it to, and dont compare your junk to Joes 71.

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

More lies.:rolleyes:

Joe has seen my Chevelle in person and my junk was not only quicker and faster the day we were at Atco together, it also sold for far more than his '71 did to the late Adam Landolfi.

Talk about what you know, not what you think you know.

BTW, when that car wasn't working, who did Adam consult as well the the driver that drove it last year at the ETown National event...you guessed it, yours truely!:p

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

Joes B/SA 71 chevelle has run faster than your chevelle with the roller, 467, big carb, big compression, despite the conditions you ran in, despite the fact he carrys more weight with his 9.1 compression sunken LS 6 intake, and he has gone a legitamit 1.29 60 foot one time.:)

Re: 502 Ram-Jet Crate Engine Bracket Racer ?
 

Joe's Chevelle never ran quicker/faster nor did it weigh more but it did run 1.29 as did my Chevelle numerous times.:p

Now let it go, none of this has anything to do with the op's question.