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Wonder how many racers are running Pure Stock.
The rules are very similar to late 70's rules.

Like the fact I do not have to add a Roll Bar and can run pump gas.

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Very few acording to the Qualifying Sheets. Realize that this is only an IHRA Class and that eliminates a lot of the Country. And not many racers want to build for a class that doesn't fit NHRA. .

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Dan, I had a dream that NHRA would re-introduce Pure Stock at Divisional events to help grass roots get involve back into Drag Racing but all for nothing as they don't care and are probably thinking of a way to get rid of class racing as we're speaking. Pure stock is were you would learn to build a real affortable race car. CR

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Precisely why I'm glad that IHRA is starting to expand out west. Today's Stockers would outrun the Super Stockers of the 70's and '80's!. Index reductions, changing altitude correction factors to emulate super class cars, the increased entry fees & registration costs, and the changes that have benefitted more so the faster class stockers than the slower ones, and taking away aviation fuel from our allowable fuel choices didn't help matters either!

I can't believe that here in Az., where we used to be able to enjoy (no matter where in D7 we lived), five divisionals withing 550 miles from home...now you either have to live in 'Vegas, or possibly metro LA., to enjoy that pleasure, otherwise be willing/able to travel to Denver or Ennis (because they'd be easier/quicker to get to), than Fallon or Sonoma if you live in much of Arizona, or say hi to Oregon, or Idaho if you live in either Northern Cal., or Nevada?

I still like NHRA, just have a much harder time affording them, and being competitive with them (altitude tracks are out, now)!!!

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Aviation gas ? ? ? Where have I been hiding ? ? I thought its been at least 30 years since we've been allowed to use it ..............

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If you want be the class quickie a pure stocker can get spendy almost as fast as a real stocker.
Machine tools really don't care what they are cutting on. Ofcource if you just want to bracket race less is required.

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I like the idea but it's not really something a West coast racer can get involved with.

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Yeah, I like the fact that the PS class can use any tire and pump gas.

That makes my Mustang a good D.O.T. bracket racer as well. Our local track has street tire racing on Sat. Nights, so it can be used in different classes and not have to change anything.

My car will also be legal in the NMCA EFI Rumble class as well. :) (although the .500 pro tree start will be hard to master)


I would love to see Pure Stock in NHRA, but sadly, that's not going to happen.
However, that's not to stop another racing organization out there from developing a class like PS. (NMCA - maybe ??)

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I ran a car in IHRA pure stock and my gas had to pass tech just like everyone else!!

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Lyn were you allowed 9 x 30 tires and bolt on traction device ? I don't have a up to date rule book.

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Last year they finally let me run the short Hoosier radials (92") ,and I had a H and R parts and stuff rear sway bar on my GS.I m sure for leaf spring cars you can run any bolt on traction device.

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Quoted from the IHRA website:

"Pure Stock entries may utilize OEM unleaded blends meeting the rulebook specifications."


From the IHRA rulebook:

B: New dielectric constant (D.C.) of the gasoline must not exceed +1 for the following
classes: Top Dragster, Top Sportsman, and Super Stock.
The dielectric constant (D.C.) of

gasoline for Stock will remain at +2.3.


Just curious...anyone know what the dielectric constant of 91 octane unleaded is ?

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Pure Stock would also allow new brands to enter our sport, such as Toyota, Suburu,Nissan and Honda, all have great sport compacts and full size automobile that will surprise most muscle cars of old. Don't forget that this generation has been bread on four cylinders spec cars(tuners). I just took one of my daughters new car, a Toyota Corolla xrs with 158hp and 165pds pf torque and I can tell you that it leaves faster and is alot more safe than my old Road Runner, 1/4 mile time was 14's all day. Nascar has understood this and has decided to go forward with the times and sine most are now built in North America there isn't any rreason not to enjoy taken them to the races .Jack since you're downsizing you could have your brand new Challenger or mustang to race on week-ends and enjoy driving it to work during the week. Just last year I had a Suburu wax by my Challenger. I would love to see new street cars starting at the divisional level. One can only hope and dream that NHRA are listening. Claude

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Someone should buy out the Nopi Nationals and form a new assocition and include everything else that the NHRA doesn't care about anymore, because that's where all the kids hang out today that have imports and all the trick race stuff...you would have double or triple the crowds in every city.

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I'll have to get working on my 1969 340 Barracuda again now that Crandall is back on the IHRA divisional schedule. It's an original 340 car and I wouldn't want to put a roll bar in it or hack it up. I lowered the compression in the original engine for pump gas, but I've got a TRW type 340 on an engine stand just sitting there. I don't drive it much anymore since I bought a 2009 Challenger. I have some old Stocker cams laying around in boxes, so maybe one of those will be legal for PS? I figure I'd run short slicks as the fenderwells aren't that big for 30s. I think a 28" will fit but be pretty close. I haven't seen any PS cars here or many in the IHRA magazine running in Stock.

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Four of them running Rockingham last weekend.

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WelI I will be out there with my 95SS in G/PS..
See a few Mustangs running the same class. Hope to develop a friendly rivalry.
Believe we are limited to 29inch 9 Inch Slicks or any DOT Tire

Been Bracket Racing it as a Bolt-On with ECIRS since 2001
Drove it to all the Northeast Tracks and back home.
After many changes it ran well under the IHRA Index.
Like James, just do not want to run with a Roll Bar.
Cannot see cutting up a good street car for that.
Think the 11.50 et rule is fair for Sedans.

Our HOA does not allow Car Trailers hanging around.
For now Pure Stock works for me and 20+mpg is not a bad tradeoff.

Figure there would be a lot of excitement with the new Factory hotrods.
All are natural for Pure Stock or Herts Rental testing ;-)
Relatively simple Bolt-Ons, headers, gear, tires, tune.
Low cost upgrade investment and competitve with the soft HP ratings.


Dan

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Dan, with new cars you do not even have to invest in headers, most factory manifold are equal or better than most headers. A good quality posi and a gear, laptop computer and voila ready to race with premium no lead fuel. CR

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Great points !!

Hmm .. Wonder if sponsoring a Pure Stock Race would be possible.

See who comes out to play??

ANY INTEREST?

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Great post Dan. Of course though, the Impala SS is near and dear to my heart. :D That's what I ran my in when I lived in NC before I sold it to Corbitt.

I've recently picked up a C5 and since Crandall is IHRA once again that is the direction I'm heading. It's a very soft index (according to what a Corvette is capable of running) and I think I can easily cover it with a cold-air intake kit and mail-order tune. I plan to mount some drag radials on OEM wheels so that the car looks completely stock. I just got the car and am heading to Ennis for the Super Chevy next weekend to run it stock and get a baseline. From what I've read it may almost run the number!

I know Pure Stock car counts aren't high, but to keep from having a truck and trailer, as well as to keep racing costs down (this is my daily driver) I still like the class and don't care if it's in NHRA or not. Yes, it would fun to own/drive a late-model Stocker but I personally don't have the time or money to invest in that much of an endeavor.

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WOW.. That was a good car.
Corbitt and his son got a best of 12.36 out of the car on a cold day as a Pure Stocker.

If you are interested have an Edge 3600 for the 4L60E.
The SS ran a best 1.70 60 foot and 13.27 full weight with ECIRS as HoBo.
Hurt the engine last year, fixed it up.
Since engine was out installed a 3800 Yank.

Ran the Edge for 1 1/2 seasons. Works perfectly.
FWIW You will need the 1-2 Shift Fix Tune for the 4L60E to use it with ODB1 PCM.
I use Bryan Herter at PCMFORLESS for my tunes

Let me know if you are interested.

Dan

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Yes, that was a good car and I believe they still have it. Best part of that car was that I bought it at a used car lot, completely stock with over 100,000 miles, in Morehead City, NC to use as a daily driver while I was building a big cubic inch 10" tire '66 Chevelle. Very slowly, the Chevelle got pushed in the corner of the garage. I put a K&N CAI on the car along with a Flowmaster catback and it was all downhill from there. The best I ever ran I believe was in the 12.60 range and that was 100% street legal and IHRA Pure Stock legal. Corbitt had the Warrens do an engine and really stepped on it.

Thanks for the info on the TC. I'm not ready for one yet. From listening to the Corvette crowd the best tuner for the money is East Coast Superchargers. They get some pretty amazing results for a mail-order. I had a bad experience with BH with the Impala but that's neither here nor there ...

Good luck with the Impala and keep the heavy beast going! Those are super cars! Maybe we'll meet up someday at a points meet ...

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I remember running Pure Stock as a kid (late 60's). Our local track ran you off the stock records just like the regular racecars. There was no index or records to base it all from for the Pure Stockers so this worked pretty well.
I had a 64 Malibu, 220 horse( I think ) 283 and a glide. M/PSA.

Be cool to see something like that again.

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Tar Heal..
NP..cool...Yanks and Edge seem to do well in the Impalas
Yanks are Billiet and bit more expensive but perform a little better than the Edge.

Contact me at danfahey@dansources.com 301-217-0425 x 400
Need to ask a few technical questions.

Heading to Richmond IHRA race Tomorrow for the weekend.

BTW check out www.ECIRS.org.
Our Impala/B-Body Racing Series

Dan Fahey

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I recall being able to use Av gas as recently as the late 90's, and possibly the early 2k's. I can't speak for you, but I was running it when I started racing stock elim. back in '95 (in Denver), and it had to be legal still because I went to Noble, Ok. in '96, and was using it. I remember (sort-of) NHRA putting the clamps on anything other than specified fuels sometime between y2k, and 2004, but several racers in D5 were using it back in the 90's, and that's only been 13-17yrs ago. I don't know what to say Jack....

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This is about as far as NHRA got with the Pure Stock idea:

http://www.nhra.net/2004/news/june/062202.html

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I don't, but I think it's time to make some calls, because if I can run something other than regular racing fuel, it'll save my modest racing budget a nice sum of money!!! Given that other organizations are starting to allow unleaded fuels to help clean up the environment, it would also benefit us that way too....I'm interested! :)

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^^ I Agree.

I was always under the impression that racing fuel was much better than pump gas, so why would someone not be able to use a fuel that makes less power ?

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At the rate nhra is letting Stockers turn into SS it wont be long before its 1973 again and your pure stock will be in style again !

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Maybe that's their plan? How long before all Stockers & Super Stockers become Modified production race cars again...remember those days.

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Glad to see some purestockers out running I look foward to meeting you all some time .

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Hey Rob,

I enjoyed watching your car at Rockingham. Your dad's also. And who was that dude with the '70 Chevelle? 1st time I've seen that car. Looked like it should have been in a car show, but when he made a run, it was flying.

Four pure stockers at the same meet. That was pretty cool. I've been scratching away on my car for seven years now, and it was the slowest of the four.

Rather than being discourged, it just gives me the incentive to work on mine a little harder.

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Just came back from the Richmond IHRA Pro-AM race.
There were 5 Pure Sockers C/PS, 2 H/PS, my G/PS, I/PS.

What impresssed me was the affordability just by using Pump Gas.
Most of the regular Stockers and SS run well with Pump fuel and will not let other classes use it. Does not make any sense.

It would be a Cost Saving and IHRA/NHRA should start allowing it.
In fact if both Bodies want to add Sponsors, they could encourage the National Gas Brands to get more involved.

For example 94 Octane Sunoco and other High Test street performance fuels can be sold at Stations near the Drag Strips. Storage would be far safer and fuel more stable.

If you do not need the $8 to $12 per gallon fuels the Tracks have the capacity to handle those sales.

I think marketing Pure Stock harder would bring in more racers as Stock will look a lot closer to Stock.

Especially adding the foreign owned American built cars which would create a more local track race interest.

Sure wished NHRA followed up on this.

http://www.nhra.net/2004/news/june/062202.html
(ALMACK spoted this link earlier)

Dan

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Hey Bobby. I enjoyed seeing your car run. Its a good running ,working consistent car .That year model is my favorite. I told your wife how much i liked the car. Im sorry i didn't get to talk with you .The H purestock chevelle ( I think it was Jim Reyonlds), I think he has a superstock car also. Bobby Butler and I have been friends for a long time. We live in the same county, but not related. Ever body thinks we're dad and son. lol. When we first started running purestock in 96or 97 bret keppner thought we were too. He would anounced that all the time. I've been out for a few years, but im glad to be able to run some this year.

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I plan on having mine @ Clay City & London Pro Am F/PS 79 malibu 305 4 speed.
Mike Taylor 3601

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I hope to see you at MP in June Mike. I am trying to get my rear setup finished and some testing done before mid June. If not, then I definitely want to head to the London track later in the year.

I was swapping out the rear in my 95 and had a small setback. The rear ABS sensors won't come out without destroying them, so it looks like new ones are 75 bucks each side.

On a positive note... I love the rear disk brake setup.
I can swap rears without opening up the brakes lines. :)
Plus, the calipers act as an axle retention device. (ask me how I know ...LOL )



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I'm gonna try to go to UMTR @ Clay City, Ohio Valley,Owingsville& Bowling Green
Mike Taylor 3601

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Sounds good.
I knew about the UMTR @ OV and CC, but I was not aware there was an event for those @ Beech Bend.

I have another 95 GT that is identical to the automatic GT that I would love to build as a manual Pure Stocker if I ever upgrade the automatic car to NHRA Stock.

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question? i assume that IHRA uses the same horsepower ratings as NHRA for they're pure stock class
unlike Phillip i wish there was more IHRA tracks in the northwest area to run not only Pure stock but some of the other classes IHRA offers. I think the closest right now is Ashcroft BC and i believe a track in Montana recently switched to IHRA?

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In my case it is a different rating for the B-Body/ImpalaSS.

IHRA rating 295hp for Pure Stock
IHRA and NHRA 299hp for Stock.

Check with Mike Baker..