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Hug your kids,family members whatever tonite just might be the last time ----boy what a jolt what are people thinking!!! ----too many crazies running around ---- 27 people mostly kids from kindergarten to 4th grade -----wow---- I'm crying as I write this--my heartfelt condolences to the victims families what can anybody possibly say to these parents???

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It's doubly sad that such young children are the victims, such a horrible day for the Country and mostly for those families that will never celebrate Christmas together ever again.

Sad

JimR

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My Facebook response:

Like all parents and grandparents, I am horrified, outraged and heartbroken at the news of today’s senseless shooting spree. But unlike most people in this country, my view is a little different. You see I am a realist. I try to see the world as it is, not how it is advertised. Now we're gonna hear about how we need more gun control laws and how certain weapons should be made unlawful to own. I personally do not own a gun. However I believe it is the right of every red blooded American to own one. But here is the reality of owning a firearm. If you own a pitbull and that dog gets out of your yard and kills a neighbor's child YOU should be held responsible.... for the civil and criminal consequences. Gun ownership brings with it no less responsibility. The person who acquired, owned or registered the weapon used in this senseless tragedy is the responsible individual and should be prosecuted for the murder of 6 adults and 20 children. He or she is the one who failed to meet his/her obligations by failing to secure the weapon. He or she alone is the individual that allowed the pitbull to get loose and commit this unthinkable crime. I hear the rhetoric and the spin from the NRA and the Constitutional sabre rattlers about the right to own a firearm and frankly I agree. But it is the lack of acceptance of the responsibility that comes with that right that troubles me.

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There you go, common sense again, You just hit the nail on the head, To bad it won't happen that way, but your correct!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The registered owner of the firearms has already paid the ultimate price for their complicity in this tragedy. :(

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This is the unthinkable. My wife has several years experience teaching kindergarten,and there is no way to be adequately prepard for something like this. I'm sympathetic to gun owners,being one myself, but I'm also a parent as well.This whole event underscores the absolute existance of the forces of evil.
It's not necessarily the gun that did it, it's the depraved tweaked little perverted mind that did it thats at fault.He could have used a baseball bat, a knife, an explosive device, whatever, but the cause of this whole thing was embedded deep into his sick mind. They won't be able to get that dark secret out now,since he's dead,never to kill again.It's a sad thing when most decent people need to keep a gun for personal protection.Let's face it, the law abiding gun owner and his weaponry never make the news, nobody has to hear about what doesn't happen.I will never surrender a firearm,either a home or personal defense gun,or a collectible, because I won't be left defenseless. Also, in the case of rare historical collectibles, I would never allow some liberal politician to confiscate for destruction those artifacts just to sooth his power and control trip driven by his political egomania.
I don't know why bad things happen to good people.If I discover this eternal secret, I'll write a book that will help a lot of good people understand life a lot better. A hundred years ago, when things were a lot more rural(not exactly more safe,however), a circuit riding preacher finished a week long series of meetings in a local church and was preparing to leave to go to his next assignment. He had finished a message telling his flock that nobody leaves this life until God is finished with them on earth. As he left, someone noticed a large revolver in a holster under his coat and asked him why he would ever need that. His response was classic-"I got this in case I meet some varmint whose time is up!".

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Odds are, the information is wrong. Consider that his mother was a teacher, or something of that ilk, who ended her marriage, and her career, and tried to care full time for a "child" that was obviously mentally ill far beyond her ability to care for him. How likely is it that she legally owned at least two high capacity 9MM handguns? Never mind that the current claim is that there was an M4 carbine in the trunk of her car at the school. She couldn't possibly legally possess an M4 carbine as a Connecticut resident.

You're trusting the same media that falsely accused the killer's brother who had not seen him in 2 years.

The people to blame are the idiots who have done everything possible to close mental institutions, and make it impossible to commit the psychotic/sociopathic/parnoid schizophrenic among us. Those idiots are responsible for the spree killers in the vast majority of cases, and for the majority of the homeless.

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Alan it gives me great hope for this country when people counteract the network news media with the absolute truth. You did just that exactly.

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:(:( I cannot imagine how those people are feeling at this time. Since it is this close to Christmas, a wonderful time of year, the pain must be extreme. This type of incident should never happen, especially at this time of year. Our thoughts and prayers go out to all the people in the small community and hope that the healing will start as soon as possible.

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Did anyone here about this? This was destined to be another tragedy, but someone stepped up and said something.

Oklahoma teen arrested in school shooting plot

by Associated Press

Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:17 PM

BARTLESVILLE, Okla. (AP) -- Hours before a gunman opened fire at a Connecticut elementary school, police in Oklahoma arrested a teenager for allegedly plotting to attack his high school and trying to recruit classmates to help him.

Police in Bartlesville, a community about 40 miles north of Tulsa, arrested 18-year-old Sammie Eaglebear Chavez shortly before 5 a.m. Friday on charges of conspiring to cause serious bodily harm or death. He remained in Washington County Jail on Saturday on $1 million bond, and he is due in court Jan. 11.

Court documents didn't list an attorney for Chavez, and calls to a number listed in court documents as his reached a recorded message saying the line wasn't available.

Layne Jones, an assistant principal at the school, alerted police to the alleged plot on Thursday, according to a probable cause statement. A student told authorities that Chavez had tried to "recruit other students to assist him with carrying out a plan to lure students into the school auditorium where he planned to begin shooting them after chaining the doors shut," police said.

"Sammie tried to recruit other students to assist him with carrying out a plan to lure students into the school auditorium where he planned to begin shooting them after chaining the doors shut," Bartlesville Police Lt. Kevin Ickleberry wrote in the affidavit.

Chavez told the students he planned to place bombs at the doors that he'd detonate when police arrived, and he threatened to kill students who didn't want to join him, police wrote.

Investigators said Chavez told a teacher earlier this month that he had bought a .45-caliber gun and had been learning to shoot it. Also, the affidavit said Chavez had been trying to obtain a diagram of school facilities and had used a school computer to seek information on a .22-caliber rifle that could be mounted on a machine gun platform.

Students said they saw Chavez researching the 1999 Columbine High School massacre, in which 12 Colorado students and a teacher were murdered by two students who also died.

The district alerted parents and faculty by email around noon on Friday that it had investigated a "potential incident" Thursday and forwarded the information to the police department, which dealt with it appropriately. News was still trickling out about the attack in Newtown, Conn., in which a gunman forced his way into an elementary school and killed 20 children, all ages 6 or 7, and six adults before killing himself.

Superintendent Gary Quinn, in a news release, credited administrators' quick action in following up on what he said had been unsubstantiated rumor and presenting their findings to the authorities.

"We appreciate the excellent relationship we have with our local law enforcement and their swift response to the information we provided them. We will always put the safety of the students of the Bartlesville Public School District first and foremost."
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One person interviewed, think it was Charles Krauthamer, said three things were involved in the murder spree. One was the gun, Two was the psychiatric problem of the person and the other his response to his family and life environment.
There definitely needs to be a more efficient way of identifying and tracking persons with the problems which allow them to be more prone to create these disasters.
Sex predators are branded, observed and followed closely. Why not similar for major personality disorders? My car is followed, my phone is followed, my driving habits recorded. If someone demonstrates these behavior risks why not monitor them more closely?

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Absolutely!

Most of these type of tragedies are caused by people who are known to have issues.

Another common thread is the age range of these crazies. teen through mid 20's...

But look how the liberals respond! They immediately politicize it, and make it all about the guns.

The guns do beg a question though. Who allowed this guy access to these weapons? I don't think very many of the weapons used in these situations actually belong to the perpetrator.

Responsible gun owners would go a long way towards slowing this down this kind of thing.

But when guns are illegal, only criminals will have guns. And the crime rate drop of concealed carry guns is proof that criminals understand that if the possibilty exists that a potential victim might have a gun, is a deterrent.

Gun confiscation (also known as gun control) is NOT a good answer.

Pray for the families of those affected/

David
The New hemi Guy

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Alan your point is well made here. Logic does not fit to those in charge anymore.

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Very saddened about this event. Prayers and sympathies to ALL involved...especially
the familes who lost loved ones....can't imagine the grief they're feeling...I'm a parent
myself....

Think you're gonna see increased gun control (hopefully some ACTION instead of the
usual RHETORIC!) Gotta do something...too MUCH of this going on...lately...VT..
Columbine...Aurora...

Don't own a gun...don't need one...haven't shot one since Boy Scout camp...(.22 rifle)

Not to divert attention away from Sandy Hook...but what about the guy shooting in a
HOSPITAL of all places? And the 50 rounds spent in the mall parking lot by some
nut the other day? What is going on?

Don't have time for debate guys...but this is my .02 worth.....

Heard a chilling statistic on the radio the other day...since about the JFK assas-
ination to present, there have been about 400,000+ deaths due to gun violence
here in the US....

Remember the 6th Commandment!

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The killer did not legally own or possess any of the weapons used.

Paranoid schyzophrenia, or a related illness, left untreated, and allowed to roam free, killed those people.

And yet you want to take my lawfully owned guns, punishing me for the actions of a mad man, and taking from me the means to defend myself and others from evil and madness.

You want to quote the Bible, and at the same time, punish and disarm the innocent for the actions of a mad man. Did you even read the Bible? Is there any part of the Bible where disarming and punishing the innocent is even suggested by God or a disciple?

You do not want to know what I think of you or your two cents worth.

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The more I think about the mindless drivel you posted, and the lack of common sense and logic behind it, the more it disgusts me.

Here is a chilling statistic for you, genius. Columbine, VA Tech, Sandy Hook, and the Colorado theater. What do they all have in common? They are all gun free zones where sadistic mad men illegally carried guns, and used them to slaughter around 100 unarmed innocent victims. Tell me, how did gun control work out for those victims?

Let's go ahead and add Fort Hood, where we disarmed men and women who serve this nation in our amred forces, and a lunatic Muslim extremist killed 13 of them. How did gun control work out for those victims?

Here's another chilling statistic for you. Around 90% of all murders involving firearms are committed by people who possess firearms illegally. Tell me, how did gun control work out for those victims?

You blame guns, and say absolutely nothing of the millions of mentally ill people allowed to roam free in this nation. In fact, liberal policies preventing the mentally ill from being treated against their wishes or being confined doom those mentally ill people to wander this nation untreated, being a serious danger to themselves and others.

Oh, yeah, another flaw in your logic. Timothy McVeigh. There is a mad man who killed around a hundred victims, in a gun free zone, including preschool children, and never fired a shot.

You decry rhetoric, while spewing nothing but mindless rhetoric. Good job.

Gun control. It's a great idea. Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao were all firm believers. Those people were not big fans of the Bible, either.

Jesus once asked a follower if he owned a weapon, and upon finding the follower did not, advised his follower to go and sell his cloak to buy a weapon.

Go ahead, quote the Bible and propose to disarm the law abiding citizen. It clearly demonstrates youir complete and utter lack of knowledge, common sense, and logic on the subject at hand.

You are right though, you don't need a gun, you don't have the common sense needed to own one. Better for you to sit back and demand someone else carry a gun and risk their life to protect you while demand the law abiding be disarmed.

Angry? You're damned right I'm angry, you propose to punish and disarm me for the actions of a mad man. Good luck with that.

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I know, you don't have time for debate...or common sense and reality either, apparently.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/12...-the-increase/

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Can we give this a break and maybe turn our energies toward the loss and the people it has affected. I find it a little ghoulish to talk politics and our "God given rights" when families are grieving and the first are not even in their graves.

Charlotte Bacon, 6
Rachel D'Avino, 29
Olivia Engel, 6
Dylan Hockley, 6
Dawn Lafferty Hochsprung, 47
Jesse Lewis, 6
Ana Marquez-Greene, 6
Grace McDonnell, 7
Anne Marie Murphy, 52
Emilie Parker, 6
Noah Pozner, 6
Jessica Rekos, 6
Lauren Rousseau, 30
Mary Sherlach, 56
Victoria Soto, 27
Daniel Barden, 7
Josephine Gay, 7
Madeleine Hsu, 6
Catherine Hubbard, 6
Chase Kowalski, 7
James Mattioli, 6
Jack Pinto, 6
Caroline Previdi, 6
Avielle Richman, 6
Benjamin Wheeler, 6
Allison Wyatt, 6

God bless them all!

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X's a million on these statements. This is the most responsible and sane response I have ever read on this forum no matter what the subject. Way to go Alan. Ct. has some of the toughest gun laws in existance in our nation yet they didnt help these poor children and teachers. Why would a mother take a son with as many problems as he had to a gun range to practice in the first place ? Why would she own such weapons as a school teacher and not have them secured ? How did the mother have an AR-15 in her home in the first place when Ct. still bans them from back in the Clinton era ? Someting smells and its not the BS coming from gun haters because of this terrible happening. It starts at home. Why do parents hide and protect their children when its clear thay they need professional help ? This insane person shot his own mother 4 or 5 time in the head before going to where media said she worked. Now we hear she never worked at Sandy Hook. What kind of an animal would kill their own mother then perforem this awful deed ? Why allow all of these killing video games to be played by young children and nuts like this. He dropped out of college and had no friends. Couldnt get along with fellow school mates before he dropped out. Stayed home and watch those awful video games before flipping out. Dosent anyone see that those like this who should be cared for by a mental facillity and recieve help. Yeah....tough guns laws really helped these poor people as in most other cases like this. If Im not mistaken 100% of the acts like these have been done by deranged individuals. How in the hell do they get their hands on weapns in the first place ?
Should we ban cars, airplanes, baseball bats, etc.? Cars accidents kill more adults and children yet we still look the other way with drunk driving. How many have been arrested for DUI yet walk free and get caught again and again ?

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This from another site!
…..and is very likely the reason no more were killed.

Why isn’t this front page news?


by Mike Benner
NWCN.com
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:03 PM

PORTLAND, Ore ... Nick Meli is emotionally drained. The 22-year-old was at Clackamas Town Center with a friend and her baby when a masked man opened fire.

"I heard three shots and turned and looked at Casey and said, 'are you serious?'"

The friend and baby hit the floor. Meli, who has a concealed carry permit, positioned himself behind a pillar.

"He was working on his rifle," said Meli. "He kept pulling the charging handle and hitting the side."

The break in gunfire allowed Meli to pull out his own gun, but he never took his eyes off the shooter.

"As I was going down to pull I saw someone in the back of the charlotte move and I knew if I fired and missed I could hit them."

Meli took cover inside a nearby store. He never pulled the trigger. He stands by that decision.

"I'm not beating myself up cause I didn't shoot him," said Meli. "I know after he saw me I think the last shot he fired was the one he used on himself."

The gunman was dead, but not before taking two innocent lives with him and taking the innocence of everyone else.

"I don't ever want to see anyone that way ever," said Meli. "It just bothers me."

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Eddie, you nailed it. We all agree that nuts should be locked up, moral decay causes crime, and that this is an off the chart crime of unthinkable proportions Before we digress to a spirited debate of gun control, or gun bans,or anything in between, the list of victims underscores the real reason of what this is all about.Let us not forget them. Right now our opinions really don't mean a thing in the face of this unanimous level of real grief.