Need Help on a Stock Eliminator Motor Builder
 

I plan on putting together a 305 310 horse 348 for a 1959 El Camino. Can someone recommend competitive engine builder for old W motors? NHRA Stock Eliminator.

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Adrian,

There's a guy on Classracer who runs a 348 or 409 in the northwest part of the country ? Aubrey something , I am sure he could help you ?

Good Luck ,

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Dave, the guy you are thinking of is Aubrey N. Bruneau out of Canada. He runs a 62 409 Bel Air in stock.

Adrian, He can be contacted through Class Racer. His user I.D is his full name.

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Parsons and Myers in Dayton. They do anything. Pm me if you want their number.

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Chris Hardy out of Michigan. Does great work and it won't break the bank either.

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Adrian you have a Pm

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Lamar Walden..he is in Atlanta.
Just spoke to him yesterday.

Dan

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now that sounds like a "way cool" stocker:D

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Darrel Wikle he will make it fly!!

M.Lind 801 D/SA

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get ahold of aubrey, those things you need special machining tools they have the combustion chamber in the block...

he also has TONS of 409-348 parts available

captain jack

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Like Jack said, not everyone knows about the W engines. It's not your regular Chevy big block engine. Aubrey or Lamar would be the guys to talk to.

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X2. Lamar has designed and his own billet heads and blocks for these motors. I would venture to say no one on the planet knows W motors better than he does.
Just saying.

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I'm sure Dave LeBrun has screwed a couple of those things together in his time. Hell, one time he was telling me about the performance potential of a 312 Ford!

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That would be like getting a 98 year old woman to win a Daytona spring break bikini contest. :eek:

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Hahahahahaha

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Still trying to get THAT picture out of my mind, Gary! LOL

I understand what you are saying, and I don't think Dave does much of the actual work today. Still, he oversees what is done, and I think several of the faster Chevys from the Northeast use his machining services, such as Bob Broadbent. I just thought he would be familiar with those engines.

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Greg, I think I see your point....Back in the day, there were at least 2 competitive 409
Stockers from CT that I can recall....one was a '62 409hp wagon called the "Dog-
catcher"...think it ran F/S...guy's name was Dennis Kutsavage? Another was a maroon
'61 Impala hardtop...can't remember the car's name...it was also a 409hp...and ran C
or D/S...think the owner's name was Tony...saw BOTH run at Conn. Dragway...circa
1970-71....Perhaps either ( or both) might have gotten the L & L "magic" treatment?

The "Dogcatcher" actually is still around...and competing in Div-1 Stock...think Alan
Peters is driving it these days? Not sure who does the engine today...maybe
Dave?

Since we're talking D1...don't forget that Denny Ford from PA has been campaign-
ing a '62 Chev 409 for the last several years....think he was a L & L customer when
he ran his '69 Camaro......

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What a cool Stocker idea. The old fuel dragsters will love it too since they almost all had those as push cars back in the day.

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Adrian, I don't know where you're located...but the location of the shop might make a
difference...especially if you have to ship the heavy engine pieces....

Lamar Walden might be the best bet as I think he's worked on (and run) these motors
since they were NEW!

Another guy that comes to mind is Tony Schaffer? Think I spelled his name right...
Believe he's located in the Midwest....maybe Kansas? He's a W-motor specialist.

Whichever route you take...I'm sure you'll find that it's best to have as many "friends"
as possible with the build...and make sure you got a good, solid frame too! You might
be the only 348 car out there today....

Willing to bet that photo....of the Casler Tire El Camino racing a '57 Chevy at Indy back
in the '60's...is part of the motivation for this!....The pic was in a magazine a few years
ago.....

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"Back in the day", Herman Chapman from CO built a '59 Chev 348-250 for SS. I'm not sure how much he campaigned the car, but it was reasonably competitive right out of the box.

Adrian, IMHO the 250 engine is worth considering over the 305. The camshaft specs are not significant with the current lifter-valve spring technology. You will have to determine if the difference in compression and the intake-carb is worth 55 hp. The AFB on the 305 will only flow around 575 cfm (unless you can get NHRA to allow an aftermarket Carter or Edelbrock replacement). Finding the preferred 3780540 intake is possibly an expensive endeavor unless you already have one. The more common 3770083 is easier to find, but it is PG only (if NHRA cares or anyone on NHRA's staff can figure that out).

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Here's a link to some pics and history on Herman's '59 348/250 SS/NA:
http://www.348-409.com/forum/threads...stocker.24119/

The 348/250 is hands down the best 348 combo, IMO. -Al

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Sad that the car ended up that way...Wonder where the stock frame went? No, I don't
need one!

I've never seen a W-motor SS car....but would imagine there were a few in the late
'60's...when the Super Stock class was introduced....probably mostly '09 cars....

But a 348-car built during that time frame...Wow! I'm sure Herman caught an earful
building that piece....

Is he still around?

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Looks like an older build....maybe the car was kickin' around the shop for some
time....I see that he let his Keystone wheels go...he always ran those!

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The 62 wagon Al Sr.drives belongs to Ray Whitney (203) 804-0349

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Newine:

Believe Ray was a partner when Dennis ran it...or so I've been told.

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An interesting site is the 348/409 forum. I frequent that one from time to time. There's members with parts for sale, advice and tricks to go fast, plus lots of special stuff from time to time. The 348/250 engine has the best chance of being the best combo. I have a friend from New Jersey that had a '61 impala, 250 horse 348 with a 4 speed, and it ran in O/S. At the time, the index was around a 13.30, and he got it to run 12.95 at 100. That was in 1980-82 at Island Dragway and Englishtown.Definitely interesting. That also was with the early rear end.He said that it was a car that shouldn't have worked, but it did.

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Interesting...
I heard Ray will be bringing the wagon out again this year
with AP Sr. driving.
Mike A114 P/SA

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Adrian I would give Gary Mc classen a call. He does Bobby D and Don K engines I think he would be the guy to take your build on .

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Ive been looking at these combos for a couple of years now and thinking that it would be a really fun engine to build. My dad was a 348/409 guy and use to bracket race a 61 bubble top 4 speed car.... They are pretty high on the cool list!!!!

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Seems to me that a fairly in depth article on that car came out in a 1976 issue of Super Stock and Drag Illustrated entitled "Building a Better Boat Anchor". It dealt with the cam, the intake selection ( seems OEM aluminum was the only choice at the time) and a bunch of neat stuff.It never really mentioned the exact ET and MPH, but it did say he did fairly well with it. In Stock, pay attention to the intake requirements. You may be able to use the OEM aluminum intake, or a 340 horse 409 intake. Also is the '60 El Camino heavier than a '61 Impala hardtop? Might make P with it. It's interesting. Here we are talking about a nearly 40 year old Super Stock effort with a car that was old when it was built. Seems to me I remember Herman Chapman running a '71-72 Chevelle wagon with a 402 big block as well.