The Super 10 is a success, now what?
 

I have a Doc who takes care of my mental health, he knows me better than I know myself. Doc tells me the worst thing than can happen to me is to finish a project.

And we understand that race cars [and trucks] are never finished but we also understand what he means. For me, the mental juices are strongest during the construction and problem solving stages.

I like the Super 10 and expect to win some Super Stock races with it. It's a good package with quality parts and is easy to drive. I feel very comfortable when driving it.

My Son Jeff has an advanced ET adtered under construction and we expect to finish it early spring. In addition, team member Monte has a Pontiac Sunfire that is well along and we will be working toward getting it on the track also.

Beyond that and while enjoy the fruits of my labor when racing the Super 10 I will begin another Super Stock package.

So I have a request;

I plan to use the 350/360/325 engine combo that came in the 1970 Camaro.

I want y'all to brainstorm and post suggestion of which body to build. I want something that will be race ready with driver about 2950 - 3000 pounds. The expected performance is mid 9's in GT/BA or GT/CA

Let me hear your thoughts.

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Cobalt of course!

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Colby,

I am a big man and such a small car is not comfortable for me. In addition, the work required for a FWD conversion is beyond what I want to take on.

For my situation a practical approach is one to consider. Such an approach requires considering;

*parts availability
*does the chosen body/chassis have a winning record?
*are off the shelf headers available?
*does the body have a favorable weight bias?
*does the body have a favorable aero shape?
*does the body have a reasonable wheel base length?
*will the completed package weight about 2950 - 3000 race ready?
*does the engine compartment have good access?
*does it have a proven front suspension?

One body that easily complies to all the above is the 3rd gen Camaro. Without question, a very capable and proven package.

Yet, the information gathering continues. I am open to suggestions.

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I vote for 3rd gen Camaro !

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The 78-83 Malibu would make a slick piece with a S/S '70 LT-1 motor.

Not sure where you'd be with the GT rules on weight but the cars themselves can be built pretty light.

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Anything but a Cobalt. I don't like the conversion cars running as "stockers". Comp. In my opinion.

Too many Camaros out there. How about an early Nova or Chevy II?

What about a Tri-5? Lots of room for comfy drag racing in a '55-'56-'57.

Dale

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Dale,

I like your thoughts and they give me a smile.

Yet, consider this;

*Tri - five Chevy's = too large, too heavy, aero shape of a shoe box, too expensive to find a "core"

*The Chevy II is a valid thought

Let's keep brain storming with these thoughts in mind;

*reasonable aero shape
*reasonable "core" price
*no heavier than about 3000 with driver

And about "too many Camaro's" I agree, yet they are popular because they are a practical way to build a hot rod.

At the Lucas D 4 race this weekend I will have my antenna up.

Another option, a second S-10 with fleet side body and built with a closer eye on weight "Super Too"

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What about a 1975 Monza with the V8? I think the base V8 was a 265ci and a 305ci as an option. Not much initial outlay for sure and they fit the other requirements too.

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I vote for a Corvette. '84 has a shipping weight of 3062 lbs and can be bought for a song.

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Dwight, I think the Vette it is worth a closer look.

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Dwight,

Why did you specify a 1984 year model Vette?

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My guess is the 84-96 car are all pretty close, my preference is the 91-96 which what I am building. Look at your criteria
*parts availability - yes most anywhere
*does the chosen body/chassis have a winning record? - not yet
*are off the shelf headers available? Yes, not sure of application, made mine
*does the body have a favorable weight bias? best of the GM line
*does the body have a favorable aero shape? absolutely
*does the body have a reasonable wheel base length? 96
*will the completed package weight about 2950 - 3000 race ready? even lighter
*does the engine compartment have good access? more than anything I have ever raced
*does it have a proven front suspension? mostly aluminum, downfall single fiberglass front spring

Larry doing the back is similar to a front wheel drive conversion.

Mine is currently in paint prison, been there for 3 months.
Mine will see some GT but mostly SS/I J K stick

I enjoyed your S10 build!! I have pictures of my build, just haven't taken the time to post anything yet. Maybe find time this winter

Ernie Neal
SS354

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Thanks Ernie,

sounds very interesting! The tilt front end has got to be the dream access. And you are correct, the Vette body matches all my request.

I encourage you to post the build photos. Everyone benefits from the information. I was explaining to Dwight Southerland that we need to share our thought process and ideas. It is something we can pass on to the next generation of hot rodders.

I especially would like to see the rear frame modifications and wheel tub install.

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For whatever it's worth, I vote for this!

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By your own admission,, being a big man, I'd think any Corvette would be a chore getting in and out of,, I'm 6' 3" and its a challenge for the few I've been in for me.
I'm liking the 78-83 Malibus also. They're still plentiful and inexpensive to get. There are several around the country in GT and SS,, so its not uncharted waters. Going off the quality you put into the Super 10, I'd love to see how a Malibu would turn out under your supervision. My 2 cents,, Larry.
Danny Durham

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There was a small Chevy pickup with a 6 pitted next to me last weekend at Bremerton Raceway here in Washington. It was a nice build and the engine room looked like it could hold a V8. Don't know the make or year, just Chevy. There are a bunch of Luv trucks running in Pro and Super Pro out here that are fast and fun.

Is a Vega a Chevy? Honest. I drive a (ford)

EDIT: Awaiting comment from Mr. Durham here...

Dale

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Lightest shipping weight of the later generations. Cheap. easier to work on than earlier models because of the tilt front end.

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I second the vette, hook never a question not to mention the engine setback.

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Okay Larry,
I'll give you a sneak preview on your thread. I had to be a little innovative on the wheel tubs. I bead rolled every 3" before I broke 90's on the center section between the tubs to give it some rigidity.

The fuel cell is directly under the original fill lid, and you can see my battery mount, master cut-off, fuel pump and filter

Ernie Neal
SS 354

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I like the 84 Vette idea, and those 84-85's are getting really cheap. I wonder about the hood clearance? Ernie - is there good room there for a carb? (pic's look nice) I love Vettes, but hate getting in and out of them.

The Malibu's are good choices, and while I am not sure about the weight and "aero" the wagons make nice bracket cars, and have excellent weight transfer. People love em or hate em, but get lots of attention.

You had the 3rd gen Camaro, and know what it takes to make one work killer... (I should have bought that car! ).

How about something like a 88 Beretta GT. Light shipping weight, aero, make pretty good looking race cars, easier in and out than a Vette or small car.

You know I love the S-10... another one would be fine with me.

Good luck with it. Cant wait to see it.

Ken

Stock 412

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Wagons work for Super Stock.
Troy Olsonosky.
http://i.imgur.com/tbY05su.jpg

And for Stock, too.
Jody Lang.
http://i.imgur.com/Zav3bMp.jpg

At least out here in the North Woods...

Dale

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Why don't you just build the motor and put it in the Super 10?

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Dwight,

That is an option. Deal is, I have current and up-coming team members that need a race car, thus, building a second super stocker.

I have already planted seeds with Gary Hettler about the engine parts.

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GM....G body and a bit different. It is for sale in the classifieds.




http://s3.postimg.org/723jqfbwz/2_69s.jpg

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I did not think a vette was legal for GT. did that change when the year rule was changed.

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I have a complete 1984 Corvette for sale CHEAP!! $1000.00 located in South Carolina. PM me if interested. I'll try to post pictures . Mike

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Any car listed in the Stock Car Classification Guide is eligible for either a Super Stock or GT build. The 2015 rules no longer list year limitations for either SS or GT, but I do remember that from then past.

EDIT: I saw a '55 Chevy with an LS motor in one of the NHRA finals a few years ago. It was a GT car.

Dale

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Attention in the pits! Super stock to the lanes!

Once again, thanks to all with comments and suggestions.

The decision has been made. I have taken delivery of a 1987 Camaro RS that is completely factory original.[ less engine and trans. ]

Looking at pros and cons the 3rd gen has many advantages and fits all of my original specifications. The 3rd gen is a proven package, relatively easy to build, relatively easy to work on, plenty of parts available.

I will begin a new construction post for this buildup.

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Another Camaro...<slams head on desk>...

Enjoy your build.

Dale

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Yes I checked the rule book. You are correct. Sports cars and wagons can now be run in GT class.

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No comment needed Dale,,, but thanks for thinking about me! Don't slam your head too hard at the thought of another Camaro out there in GT,, get to work on your Mustang to make it competitive against those Camaros in GT in case you draw one heads up! Sorry I didn't see you last weekend as we had 2 cars at Bremerton,, the initial outing of my son's '69 Nova complete with new car bugs and my 'ol piece doing the 1/8 th mile deal. Maybe I'll see you and Ron at Woodburn this weekend.
Larry,,,, a 3rd gen Camaro is a great choice,, especially for GT, as you well know. I almost bit on one a few years back,, Don Thomas' very nicely done car,, but it was gone by the time I hunted down Don and talked to him,,, its all about the early worm.
Good luck with your build,, we'll all follow along religiously reading every post and studying every photo,, you can go big or small block, there are many options available this time around as I see it,, take care.
Danny Durham