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So,************* I might as well get some blood flowing.
We're at the beginning of what is looking to be a new, conservative era in our Country's history. The Liberal and Conservative battle seems to finally be leaning towards moderation.
Ya know, there's a great, ongoing battle going on in Sportsman Racing, mainly affecting Stock and SS Racing too. IMHO, this battle is taking place between, not Liberals and Conservatives, but Car Guys and Racers. Now, I've always considered myself a bit of both but as I get older, I find myself being more of a Car Guy.
Where I'm going with all of this "baloney" is, is it time to start slowing down and backing up the "Liberalization of Stock and SS?
Over the years, We've seen loads of parts and pieces AND specs. approved for use that would never be found on a "Barrett-Jackson" car.
I've been told by a prominent member of this board that I'm not the one to be making these decisions because I have a "GM mind".
So, what's right, what's wrong, what should be allowed and what should be taken away? We've all got our own "pet peeves" and they're mostly the ones that the other guy in your Class is getting to use. What are YOUR personal "pet peeves" and "bogus" combos and why should they or shouldn't they be fixed?

And seeing as I'm the one starting this s**t fest, I'll go first.
283s with 327 intake manifolds.
273s with LD4B intakes.
All of the Police Interceptor FFFords.
Early 70s 351 FFFords with Holley carbs.

Yeah, it could be a long, bloody winter.

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Well, we use to live by the Golden Rule, but over the years the rule changed. He who has the Gold makes the rules JMO

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Jim "bogus" Marshall's Super Nova is my thorn in the side Billy. I mean we're talking factory car bogus here! He normally runs in I/SA so I started running J, so what does he do but go to the Dutch and set the J record just to show me he could. The man runs so fast he blowed his motor up in his motorhome on the way home, that'll teach him to slow it down some! That thing needs HP for Christmas!
All in fun Jim knows I love him right!?!?

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OH! Billy are you starting another campaign to "rescind" parts that were approved.
Is this going to work like the AMC "Witch Hunt".
You seem to want to be a time traveler and go back to the "Old Days"
OK I'll give you something to work on.
Get rid of AHFS and go back to running off National Records.
You remember class eliminations off National Records.
Is that enough of a blast into the past for you?
Put performance back in S/SS.
I can hear my dear departed friend Alex saying there are too many SS cars in stock with all these new cars.
He would say all the "alphabet" cars need to be in Super Stock or have their own eliminator.
Ok, I'm out of here. that should get things stirred up for you.
Have a nice winter and now that we have voted in change,
I can say: I wish You a Merry Christmas... ;~)

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Soften some of the HP factors on some of the old iron still running. Other than that I don't see much changing. Its getting real hard to find parts for cars that are 50+- years old. Lets enjoy what we have while we have it. I don't see all of this being around in 10 or so years. At least not the way it is now You can see the changes coming. Voluntary tech at the national events is the first indicator of where the ship is pointing. Reduced Quota at the nationals. The age of most competitors is getting up there even in the Pro classes.

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#1 - Cars allowed to run in Stock Eliminator that don't even have a VIN. Ya, I know this horse has been beat to death, but I'm gonna give "Sea Biscuit" a couple more whacks.

#2 - Cars allowed to run in Stock Eliminator with aluminum heads that never had them to begin with.

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Come on cooter the AHFS is working I mean you can go to an open and run 1.40 under with no penalty but go to a real race and get hp at 1.20 what is the difference in the index and rules its like robbing a bank in one town and they say don't worry about it then going to the next town and you get locked up???

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My pet peeve is unequal application of the rules. In recent years, there have been a number of rules applied to small segments of cars that are different for everyone else. I stated my case a few times, was treated rudely, was talked down to, and was ignored by certain NHRA officials. Apparently, "some people are more equal than others." Due to their actions and complete disregard for equal application of the rules, I no longer compete in Super Stock. I miss a lot of the people, but I don't miss NHRA. I'm sure they don't miss my money. There's always someone else to be a willing participant.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NGpmexb1no


Great idea. Actually a few guys here actually submitted such a proposal. It's been ignored, as of today.

Take 20% off ALL gross rated cars that haven't been run in 5 years.
Not just 383's, 426's, 428 Pontiacs...ALL . Fair is fair.
Billy , care to elaborate ?

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Since the rules for stock are so 'liberal', where do you draw the line on what is right and what is not??

Mike made a good point about many parts being very hard to find. Since collectors hoard the proper number parts what are racers suppose to do?

Since I help with the stock super stock combo races at Pacific Raceways each year, I have had the opportunity to talk many of the racers. We have discussed this issue and you have to do what it necessary to be competitive.

My own opinion is that "stock" eliminator cars should look stock. Like I said at the beginning of this post, the rules are so liberal where do you stop??

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Billy let it fly brother don't hold back!! I have plenty of popcorn for the winter..LOL

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This is fun and some good proposals, but realistically I think all the decisions are made for next year. But why not propose them to NHRA via your DD or CA or IN? Those guys don't bite.

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Geez Billy, this been some year for you - first you finally get a cell phone and now you 're part of the Liberalization movement .I for one am glad this year is almost over for you as I can't stand many more changes you might make .....

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How many people are actuaaly running these combos vs cars that have never been real cars run on the street?

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Ok sounds like fun.

AFX style hood on the 65 289 comet??
459 intake on 283's

Enforce rules we have. But, consider some changes.

1) All Auto's in SS and S have to shift manually. The stick driver do.
2) Do not allow elec shift in Stock FI cars. None of them are racing the 4-speed autos so you are not granted the elec shift.
3) Mandatory seat pressure (Example) max on all SB Flat tappet lifter, ex 110pds on seat, 125pds an SB HYD rollers. 125 on BB Flat tappet lifters etc.
4) 4 years on the seat belts not 2.
5) Remove the Roll Cage rule so some SS Crate Engine Classes that by there ET don't require a cage. (Michael Beard Rule)

These are just some Idea's

I know nothing will be considered. Does anyone have a breakdown of what is paid for a divisional win or national? W/RU/Semi etc?

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I liked running off national records myself, but it got to where we weren't have enough cars show up. Slow guys quit coming, they went bracket racing. So we now have these *extremely* soft indexes a street car could run under. Just bracket racing now, unless you have a heads up.

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Jack he really got a cell phone dam Lol

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Given the rumors flying around about ProStock, the trend seems to be kill a class and start another one.I don't have a problem with Stock the way it is now. As long as they don't turn it into SS.I finally have my chance to try Stock and I am liking the technical challenge. Not so much the wallet drainage but that comes with any car.To be completely fair , there would have to be every single car in the "Guide" in every single class running out there. I think AHFS is probably the best option.

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Better yet, 20% off any combo in the classification guide that has not run one single pass under index in the past 5 years

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How about approval of a Yenko Nova? I'm told they didn't make em!
I'm tired of faking my way through life I'm American yet my eyes is slanted and my daddy Jim Marshal stopped sending my UNICEF allowance . He said due to the new administration and my slow azzz car he cannot accept me as family till after Inauguration Day to make sure my eyes get straightened out or by a set off sun glasses

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Allow Deep Staging.

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If you win a race (nat'l or div.) you don't race for the rest of the year. Liberal enough? we need new blood in the winner circle.

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I'm afraid you would see an awful lot of bad red lights in the final. Heck I would go red and cross the centerline to just to make sure I didn't win! I wonder how many runner ups Dan Fletcher could rack up in one season. Lmao

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how bout liberty clucthless transmissions in SS ? yeah I know nobody uses the clutch anymore but if my comp car isn't competitive in comp why not a 8500.00$ trans and several grand of mods to install it ?? sounds good to me I could never understand the aluminum replacement heads either, a set of [rare] cores cost as much as a set of new aluminum heads!! plus the 3000.00$ valve job ??? If pro stock heads were allowed in SS/S everyone would buy 2 sets , but now its hard to buy cores !!! WTF !!! How bout those 289 aluminum heads ?? I've scrapped a dozen good cores in the last couple years and nobody can find them ??? Aftermarket cranks are one of my favorites!! i can't find a BBC crank so I will buy a aftermarket knife edged lightened crank cause I can't afford a 300.00$ core !!! How bout those flat tappet lifters with the non metallic puck ?? what exactly did they come in ?? never came in anything from the factory is the answer!! Same with carburetors !! everyone needs a holley replacement or quick fuel or whatever , a quick look on eBay and i could find 90% of these carbs and for the same or less than a new one !!! Roller rockers in stock !! if your breaking rockers try a different cam profile instead of inventing new rules for[ stock] at least thats what it was meant to be !! Lastly I'm sick of hearing thats [progress] !!!! S/SS are not meant to progress to the point nothing is stock anymore!!! 50 years later what came on a combo still came on that combo !!! If you want to progress go race an unlimited class with no rules and stay the hell out of CLASS RACING!!

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Sounds pretty sane to me. I remember back in the
70's, we got dq'd for non oem front travel snubbers.
We had an induction hood but couldn't tech because
the flapper solenoid wasn't functional. Hell, they are
going to let everyone tech themselves. Enjoy yourselves!
Bob

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lmao!

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Perone's whole world is slanted,thats why we love him.

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You want egg roll

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I can remember back in the 70's we built a new car forgot to put the sun visors in and tech gave us all kinds of crap. It is a different world now.

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Red Anderson wasn't going to let me race the first Div 4 race I went to. Had to go find a salvage yard, to buy a pair of sun visors. True story. Long time ago, mid '60s.
'56 Chevys were still in salvage yards.

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This is just a partial example of the stuff that is driving me crazy (crazier?)! NHRA will allow different things without thinking of the repercussions of it all. IMHO, regardless of all of the bogus stuff, the biggest screw up NHRA has made is tossing out the original valve spring rule. It wouldn't even be so bad if they would have come up with a max seat pressure number and stuck to it.

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It was Red and we had to go to a salvage yard too.

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First race I ever went to in 2006 pulled into tech Wesley walked up and said wrong trim on the trunk get that changed before the next event. Then he said hello I'm Wesley Robertson.

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:cool:


Yep, that's Wesley. They should have put him, Travis Miller, and Dave Ley in charge of tech for every class about 30 years ago. Then had Imbrogno be the liaison to the board for the racers.

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Sitting here, and I realize I was wrong. The sun visor deal was with my second car, a '56 2dr sedan, at the Dallas (actually in Lewisville) track. My first ever points race was at Odessa, Texas. I had a '56 wagon. Never had wipers on it. Raced several Tulsa, OKC, and Ft Smith, AR. First ever points race, I went through tech right behind Jim Hayter's new '67 Z28 Camaro. Saw Jim at home all the time. He had no wipers. Went right through tech. My turn, Red says "Next time I see this car, it had better have windshield wiper! Stupid kid I was, I pointed out that Jim had no wipers. LOL That was not what to say to Red! Guys here that knew Red knows how dumb that was! WOW His face got as red as his hair. LOL I put wipers on when I got home. I was told by another racer, that I was lucky I didn't have to tow it back home. Took most of the season before he would even speak to me more than he had to. I could say hello, he would not answer me. We got to be friends. Took a record tear down before he got friendly. Think I wasn't nervous during that tear down.

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At Indy, in 1971, Farmer Dismuke would not pass my 69 Roadrunner because it had side reflectors instead of side lights.....???? Note: 68's had lights and 69's had reflectors.

Fortunately, I had the factory build sheet in my trailer and got OK after showing reflectors on the sheet. Also made me remove my rear license plate that read "get your sh.. together".

I had my windshield wipers in the trunk.

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What a **** storm that would create!

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For the post above they already allow clutchless liberty trans in SS. Awhile back there was a big push for titanium valves in SS. Only people pushing stupid s..t like that are thes rich #&#&&# in SS. Just my opinion....

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You mean more than bringing Tru-Start into S/SS?

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Perhaps a small purse adjustment this winter? 5th Rd loser still does not get entry fee back!!