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Any body recommend any AMC cars for entry level stock classes?

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There are several V8 4 bbl engines that are good combos.

The first question though, is what do you consider entry level?

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I thought I saw an AMC in pieces for sale a year of so ago if memory serves.

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Maybe Mike Meires Spirit with a disassembled 304? He sold that one, almost went after it myself.

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How fast do you want to go and how much money do you want to spend?

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Thats the one.

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The '69 Rambler Rogue sedan with the 290-225(210) looks interesting. Nice cam, good compression, good carb, decent heads and intake.

As always...what's the budget, do you have a car or parts now, etc.? -Al

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A FEW are good combos , Very few are inexpensive at entry level.
The Rogue 290 is always offered up as a possibility ,Although finding one that is decent enough to start a build from is difficult and the engine is not cheap to build correctly.
The best entry level car is the '77 Gremlin 258 2bbl combo for R or T .
The biggest expense is the cylinder head , Stock rods and Badger cast pistons will last for years …...The car itself can use a stock model 20 rear with Moser street axles ,4.44 gears and a stock posi with slapper bars and decent shocks
A stock 998 2.75 first gear trans with a Cheatah valve body and a good converter are all that's necessary for a basic car that can still run 80-90 under with the proper tuning.

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Tommy, The Gremlins and Pacers are so collectible ;-) , one ought to look for a Hornet station wagon..Still makes V/SA, with a scrap value body, if you can find one.
Plus it has that wagon Jr. Stock look :-)

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Wasn't there a white Hornet wagon out of Div 7 a few years back?

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There was a Matador wagon from the west coast that ran in U/SA with a 304-2v combo. I believe the owner of that car posts on this site. Bruce Fulper maybe ?

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In ss a 1970 360 has a pretty favorable rating currently and any 290 combo is decent.

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I admire any racer that tries to take an "odd ball" combo and tries to make it competitive. The problem I see here is finding a suitable body to compete with not a total rust bucket and then trying to find engine components with a vehicle manufacturer that has been out of existence for many years- it makes it very difficult unless you presently have a car and a stash of parts--- go get him but I think you are fighting a major uphill battle from the beginning

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'67-'69 290-225 210 Stick only in American body. Auto in Javelin, AMX
'70-'71 360-290/285 flat top piston 280
'70 390 325-340 315
'67-'69 343-280 275
'71-79 304 "Iffy"

In that order. Lots of bodies to choose from.

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Thank you all for input. Am I way out of line ? Entry level $12-15K investment. 13 to 15 second car. Wagons,yes! I looked at Spirits many times but ,you know even though its just sheet metal ,ya gotta like it or it won't like you!

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Jim Mantle in Div 6 has quite the Hotrod Pacer running stock

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If you are a true hands on guy, it could be done with a V8 car. By that I mean assembling your own engine, transmission, doing your own paint and body work, also wheeling and dealing through the AMC site, Ebay, Craigslist.
Biggest expenses, where you'll need to open the wallet wide, are cylinder heads done by someone competent, that will pass tech and not leave a bunch of ET on the table. Also, valvetrain, torque converter, new wheels and tires
Plus maybe 900 small items you don't know you'll need yet.
Good luck... Ask your questions here, and not down at the Tastee Freeze. You're at the right place.

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100%! And Classracerinfo.com

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I like oddball cars too. I love the diversity of Stock Eliminator. And they don't necessarily have to be from extinct manufacturers. I'm still chuckling about the '91-'92 Ford E-150 cargo and passenger vans listed in the classification guide with three different engines. What a hilarious O/SA car that would make.

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71 401 also looks ok
304 2 bbl combo is rated at 180, too high and won't compete with the underfactored 2 bbl 302 Fords (same 1.08 motorcraft carb)
77 / 79 258 2 bbl works in V but takes a 3 tenths hit in anything higher.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

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Well some Gremlins and Pacers are collectible....kinda....maybe...mine is such a social media superstar its even pictured in the Gremlin Wikipedia page under competition when Ed was running it at Cecil back in the day. The Gremlins do get their excessive amount of fan attention at races...Fans love the Gremlin...

A Shocking number of race fans have reported to losing their virginity to me in a Gremlin...usually right before a round.....that hasn't helped me go more rounds, as you can expect.

Eric

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Mike Meier has a nice Q/SA for sale,good deal, if you have the time it's a good buy. Check his photos on photo gallery., has a lot of spare parts and he also has a trailer with a broken axle. Good luck

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I picked up a 70 hornet 2dr a month ago with a 232/3speed that needs to go away before I build it. stone stock right down to the rubber floor mats....if that interests you;)

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I bought the Mike Meier car (and trailer) earlier this year. Hope to have it going starting next year in Div2 and some NMCA events. Long time NSS racer here.


http://www.1960plymouth.com/drag/Spirit_1.jpg

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Welcome to the forum Al! Almost bought that car myself but could never work the logistics of getting up north for it. Gainesville usually has T&T before the season gets rolling and Jim Wahl will probably crank up the SSSSA races before the season opening D2 race in February. Good luck bringing the Spirit back to life.

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Al, be nice to see the AMC at some D2 events next year. I'm going to rent Bradenton Motorsports Park in 4-5 weeks if you want in on a private track rental for some testing.

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Thanks for the offer Todd. I doubt I'll be ready by then. Aiming for early January.

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Nice car still a 304 ? I am building a 70 Javelin 360 J/SA.Keep plugging away at the Spirit.The 304 motor run good small valve & carb,I ran one years ago with the 70 ,304 heads 999 trans.

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No problem, looks like we have a date of November 25th on the rental, I'll more than likely do another after the first of the year, contact me if you're interested. BMP has Thursday evening and Saturday morning testing typically so that may be an option too before the season starts.

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Thanks again . Not giving up on AMC but I'm going to enter into bracket racing to start. found an S10 cheap only needs motor. I have an AMC at home but cannot be used for stock racing,it'll just be a cruiser. I have found a 74 hornet wagon 232 6cyl. The way I read the chart, rating factor is 19.33 T/SA ?? 14.40 et. i would have to get around 200HP to achieve this . I think could be done. but you need to make car run up 1 second under index to be competitive ? the car can easily become a 304 or 360 as well. so I guess i have to move to another section for bracket advice.
thanks again Gentlemen
I did read a good quote " Enjoy the ride there is no return ticket" George Carlin.

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unless its changed this year due to some factoring the 1970 360 4bl is a really good Super stock combination currently with only a 260hp rating i know a couple of people who are building this combo.

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Pay attention here.. 232, 1v? No.... 258, 2v..Yes..Only way to go here, with your budget.
74 -77 Hornet ..Looks the same to me. Nobody knows. Nobody cares.
Several guys here are very familiar with this combo.You already got the basic blueprint.
Go..

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Dwight pointed out some facts on a 1970 360 combination in stock, I was surprised. Should make great power.

1. Big Bore
2. Good amount of lift
3. Lots of head flow

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Mark is correct , the '77 258 IS the best reasonably low dollar combination to build .
I've got quite a bit of experience with all the AMC combos,but the '77 258 is a very affordable build that ran run well without high dollar converters or transmissions or suspensions.

The BBD 2bbl carb is very workable , the cam and blueprint specs are very favorable.
A smart builder can run more than a couple tenth's under the index with cast Badger pistons , $100 rings ,stock rods and without doing anything to the head but the valvejob.
The 232 1 bbl combination is a looser dont waste time or money .

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What do you guys thank about a 79 2 door concord with a 258 2bl and a 904 torqueflight asking because we have the car and alot of the basic pieces to get it going.

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It's okay ..Makes U/SA , which is still a V8 class. Not enough heads-up around to worry about though. All the previous details still apply.

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14.85 doesn't seem like it would be too terribly hard to hit. could be underestimating the task though.

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You have to be able to run that in the middle of summer. You don't want to leave too much on the table due to budget constraints.
Not fun , nor economical to have to worry about running the index all the time.

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I've run 13.90's at U weight in good air, .600 under is not hard to do with a 258 2 bbl 77 or 79 trim in U. I think the 79 pistons more than make up for losing .008 in cam lift.
Ideally find something heavy enough to run V.

Jim Mantle 6632 V/SA

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didn't there used to be a cam lift rule that allowed all cars under x amount of lift to go use x amount of lift.