First four LODRS races postponed
 

On NHRA Competition page—no new dates announced yet.

http://www.nhraracer.com/archive.asp

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Man that sucks I was planning to hit Atlanta then go to Maple Grove. Oh well let the boredom continue......

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I figured that was coming. I was starting to get ready for the Atlanta divisional

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Dang it!

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3 of the 4 races were probably a GO...Unfortunately, the Illinois governor has a stay at home order through May 30 affecting the Joliet race....

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crap crap crap. Now what to look forward to? Guess i will go back to beating the wife and kicking the dogs again

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Hey Keith......you and Fish could always take Barry for a beer.........hahaha

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Well guess mabe in September we will be racing????

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I was planning to go to Maple Grove; now I will go to Atco (July 31-Aug. 2) instead, and I may go to the rescheduled Maple Grove event depending on the date.

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Seeing as Georgia has started opening up more than other states I’m a little surprised they postponed Commerce. As a NHRA track and with a likely high car count they’re leaving a lot of $ on the table. Sounds a little off to me but with NASCAR backing away from a fan-less race in May perhaps no organization wants to be first to sponsor an event. Liability insurance perhaps is the sticking point, a litigation happy culture the culprit.

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Could very well be the Hangover Nationals in January before anyone races again.

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Probably just a little too soon yet. They have some logistics to work out before we get back to racing. Issues with tech. Fuel check. Time slips. One of the tracks said they had a way to send the time slips electronically with some sort of an app. Also how to deal with payment at the gate. They need to get the Q sheets and ladder sheets available online so we don’t have to congregate at the trailer to see that info.
Maybe NHRA needs to have a system where we start an account with a credit card when we arrive at the race it charges our account. No cash transactions at the gate. You just tell them your membership number and how many crew and it charges your acct.

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I feel with GA and TN opening up we will learn quite a bit in the next 2-4 weeks....results we can see for ourselves...
either it is going to go good or really bad..... if goes good then we should see things start loosening up..... if it goes bad... we may not see a racetrack this year...
I pray it goes good... first.... for health.. second.....for the mental health....third... for the financial..... fourth..so we can hopefully get back to some kind of normal....
sorry I'm a stick guy.... I'm really good @ counting to four

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FYI THE fake scared on this Virus cannot jump from one person to anther >also it is only Alive a short period of time . The Germs have to be physically touched and in Most
cases die before they caused an issue

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Maybe I’m too simplistic but Chic-fil-A (and others but might as well use the best) had most of their logistical issues figured out within 24 hours. They do get within 6 feet but you’re at arm’s length at least. You give them your order and then swipe your credit card while they hold their device toward you to swipe. Shortly thereafter they’ll hand you a receipt or not as you prefer. Sure they could text you that info if they had your “chicken club” member on file. (Same can go for time slips). There’s always going to be an exchange of some sort because I want my chicken and they want my money. The proximity deal gets tested more come Monday when sit down restaurants open in Georgia at least. If reasonable precautions are taken there shouldn’t be a problem. If people don’t want to see friends greet each other in close proximity then they probably need to stay home. I’m personally taking a lot of precautions because my son is in a high risk group but at some point everyone needs to decide if they’re going to start taking some measured amount of risks or stay sheltered for another year when a vaccine is available. There are no guarantees beyond grace, taxes and death.

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As of this morning, 50,000+ people in the U.S. have died from COVD-19 in a little more than 6 weeks. During the average flu season, 50,000+ people die in the U.S. in the 6 months that the flu season usually lasts. 6 months is 26 weeks; so the flu kills 50,000+ people in 26 weeks, while COVID-19 has killed 50,000 people in 6 weeks. Those numbers are from the CDC; do you still think this is fake?

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As a matter of fact, I still think the stats are fake > Just curious how many people have died with cancer,? Hearth attacks? car wrecks,? I feel a lot of the Fake virus scare have been fake as there has been way to many times the other deaths have been put in the stats for the C flu

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There are already cases in my hometown in FL. People that we know had relatives that went into the hospital and a nursing home very sick with other illnesses and the families were not allowed to see them and just days later were told they had died of the virus. The families are very upset and have started investigating and can't get any information. One of the families found out their relative died from the local media.




Bret Velde
2003 FS/??

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The weather here in Las Vegas is on the warming tread. Wed high will be 101 degrees. Nevada as a whole has been past the peak for the virus for about a week. If heat helps there you go.
I wonder about these numbers when every day we average. Every day we hit about the same numbers of new cases and deaths. Yeah right!
Does show some serious weaknesses in our nursing home care. Very sad.
We can't go golfing in Nevada. I take it because everyone ends up at the hole. It's 95 degrees out! They closed our drive-in because some kids were having too much fun running around. Holy cow!

My yard is well managed right now anyway,

Paul Haszlauer

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Don. I think similar to you on this virus thing. You just have to remember that NHRA Headquarters is located in California land of the fruits and nuts. I wonder if the HQ has been open at all of if they are shut down. Did they just leave all of the national event equipment in Gainesville all set up like when we left there in early March. I doubt they are to worried about the racers they are probably concerned for the health of the NHRA personnel that would be there to run the program. I guess next on the schedule is the pro Gators and Atlanta sportsman race in Gainesville June 5th. We will see if that happens several weeks from now. The Florida governor will probably follow what the Georgia governor is doing. I expect some opening up this week down here.

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I have tried to keep my dog out of this fight but COVID-19 has no comparison to the flu. It is much more contagious and more deadly. If you guys want to catch it and possibly die its is your business. If you give it to me or my loved ones it is everyone's business.

From the very top down the the USA has, with advanced warning, done a terrible job fighting this war. More infections and more deaths than any other country in the world. Many with higher populations and higher population densities.

Rather than some anonymous unfortunate soul in New York City, would you feel different about a COVID death if it was your mother, father, wife, son or daughter?

Okay I am off my soap box and will stay off.

You might be interested in Tulsa Raceways Park's policies after they reopen. They could be in place for the points race here. It is the first thing you see when you open their webpage.

https://www.tulsaracewaypark.com/

Bill Lamb
4340 SS/BS

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This kinda looks like the wave of the foreseeable future if ANY racing is to continue ANYWHERE until this Virus situation is over with. I can see many tracks implementing this procedure--FED 387

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curious can You post some information about this C19 being more contagious than the flu that happens every year

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I dunno about the C19 vs. the flu, but I have witnessed a disease that comes around every year that is highly contagious. It has affected many of my friends and close acquaintances with little regard. The impact can be financially detrimental, but there are times that it will give you some relief. I have seen it bring communities of people together helping one another at times you would not expect, but that is what makes this disease span decades without a strong desire to find a cure.

It is called sportsman drag racing.

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I will acknowledge that Covid-19 is most likely worse than the common flu but I take acception to the numbers reported here versus other countries. I feel most likely other countries under reported their cases especially China. Then here in the US we are over reporting cases I believe because that means more federal money. It's bad stuff any way you look at it and I hope this is over sooner than later.

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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...US_aCYFFrVzF6g

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) revealed surprising preliminary data suggesting that one-in-five residents have already had the virus. That figure implies a case count of 2.7 million, 10 times higher than current totals. The data suggest the virus is more widespread than previously thought, with a lower fatality rate of around 0.5%. A similar but less rigorous study in Los Angeles found similar results. The number of deaths in New York fell by about one-third this week versus last week.

Unless you are sick, bad lungs, heart disease, etc.. i do not think its any worse than the flu. Media is hyping this up, people may have had it already and not know. If you are not young and healthy then stay home but the world needs to get back at it.

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340 Cuda have a listen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfLV...caShDIeGnNEfQc

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This is a good example of how a slick talking bull**** artist can twist numbers any way they want. He keeps talking about extrapolating data from the percentage of positive tests to the general population, this is wrong because a random cross section of people would have to be tested for this to be correct. You have to get prior authorization from having symptoms before they will even give you a test. Inflating the "EXTRAPOLATED" number of positive tests causes the( actual) number of deaths to be a much lower percentage. One thing is for sure , with Google and You Tube you can always find someone to tell you what you want to hear.

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LOL ok Roy, smoke another!

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from another doctor who studies viruses:

WHO IS DYING? Let's take a close look at who is dying of COVID-19, and by proxy, your chance of dying. WARNING, some tough talk here. Virus Post # 21 by Idiot Immunologist-Surgeon.

It is imperative to know who has died and who is at risk of dying if we are going to be honest about the lethality of COVID-19. Only after we understand these FACTS can we have an intelligent discussion about when, where, and what we re-open. I've needed to write this post for 2 weeks, but I know the response will be brutal, claiming I don't love old people and "all lives matter". Both of my parents are 84 and I love them dearly, so let's look at facts and leave the emotion aside for once.

My sources are the CDC and NIH (all new data) an a 1-hour conversation yesterday with a dear friend--a surgeon who is performing all the tracheostomies for ventilator patients in the ICU at Mt Sinai Hospital in NYC--the true epicenter hospital. No Fox news or CNN sources here.

The overwhelming majority of people dying of CV19 are UNHEALTHY people to begin with. Although there are a few tragic deaths of young nurses and doctors, these are the exceptions. Let's look at the 99% and not discuss the outliers. I'll break down deaths by three categories: underlying disease, nursing homes, and socioeconomic status.

UNDERLYING DISEASE. By now you know that "underlying disease" is the BIG risk factor. The biggest and most important are: poorly controlled diabetes, morbid obesity, heart disease, hypertension, and kidney disease. It should not be a surprise that these conditions are very often found in the same individual. When you add smoking, poor nutritional (and vitamin) status, these folks are at high risk from dying from ANY insult. Heck, they survive car crashes at 50% the rate of healthy people. My surgeon friend states "the vast majority of patients look alike, they have not taken care of themselves for over a decade and they don't have the reserves to fight any infection. They are the most unhealthy of our city."

Of 6,570 confirmed COVID-19 deaths fully investigated for underlying conditions to date, 99.5 percent, had at least one of the underlying illness listed above. Almost 90% have 3 or more.

NURSING HOMES: Nursing home deaths account for more than 50 percent of all CV19 deaths in six states: Colorado, Delaware, Massachusetts, Oregon, Pennsylvania and Utah. They represent over 20% of deaths from the virus nationwide and over 21% in NYC. 3600 nursing home residents in NYC metro area are among dead with 55 from one nursing home in Brooklyn. It's worse in Europe. The WHO released numbers yesterday estimating 50% of all CV19 deaths in Europe are from nursing homes.

I want to emphasize that these facilities serve a huge variety of patients, but residents in nursing homes have at least one chronic condition for which they need some ongoing medical care-that's the requirement to get in. Some are an otherwise healthy person who is recovering from a stroke. But the average nursing home resident has 5.8 chronic heath conditions (see section above). Poor nutrition is very common and plays a huge role in the ability to fight any infection. 40.5% nursing home residents in the US are over 85, with 6.8% over 95.

Alzheimer's Disease or other forms of dementia is present in 48.6% of all US nursing home residents. Alzheimer's accounted as the primary cause of death in 121,404 Americans in 2018, the 6th highest cause of death; a rate of 37.3 per 100,000 people (much higher than CV19). These patients almost universally have DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) orders meaning that they and their family do not want any heroic measures taken to prolong their life. In fact, DNR orders are estimated to be present in over 90% of nursing home residents in the US. Thus, when they get sick with CV-19, little is done and they often die within 24 hours. We love these vulnerable folks, but we recognize many have reached their end of life. This is very hard to discuss and write about, but we need to understand.

SOCIOECONOMIC. My friend states that the majority of patients they see in NYC not from nursing homes are from the low socioeconomic faction of the NYC boroughs. Often there are many people living together in tight quarters and they have spread the virus among their household. Overwhelmingly they are poor, and typically minority (widely known now), morbidly obese, diabetic, hypertensive and with some underlying kidney dysfunction (see above).

BOTTOM LINE: The people dying of COVID-19 are the same un-healthy people who die of any virus, infection, or car crash. It turns out the mortality rate for this virus is really not much different than the seasonal flu. Yup, I said it because it appears to be true. The sick and the elderly don't do well with infections. Read this paragraph again please.

If you do not already have an underlying chronic condition, your chances of dying are amazingly small, REGARDLESS OF AGE. For people under 18 years old, the rate of death is zero per 100,000 (CDC). Adults under 55 (probably 65) and children in normal health have essentially zero risk of any serious illness from COVID-19. These are the facts even when we include NYC. And no BS comments about flattening the curve--that has nothing to do with this conversation whatsoever--we are talking about death and who dies.

Moving forward we must isolate the VULNERABLE in our towns, and let the HEALTHY get out and get on with it. People in nursing homes do not go to the beach, or work out in the park. They don't go to the gym. Let's build our herd immunity. Let's stop destroying our country because we have the wrong policy of protecting everybody when we should only protect the vulnerable. The evidence is in--healthy people should not be locked up.

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I have no idea if this is true or not..(no source given) It does make sense to me though
I'm sure of one thing . One , of 3-4 peeps here will call BS, and come up with a study where teenagers are visiting playgrounds and parks in mass numbers, and (x) % are dying in huge numbers, and we must keep the economy shut down , indefinitely.
Just wanted to prep you for that.

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To AC, as someone who recently lost a mother in a nursing home you should read up on what a Do not reccesitate order actually means because it's obvious you DON'T know what your talking about .

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Neal, first sorry for your loss.

If the patient stops breathing or the heart stops do not perform CPR, correct. Let me know if this is incorrect. Been through this and never easy.

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All good, i have my opinion and they have one as well. I say open up and if you want to sit home then sit home but the rest of us need to get back to work.

Neal sorry for your loss.

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Ron thanks for your sympathy , you are correct, it does not mean you forgo treatments for illneses most people in nursing homes want continue to live just like you or I ,
My wife just got a call today to self quarantine because a work mate tested positive, she works at Interbake foods ( cookies) in N Sioux city SD. This whole metro area is about to become a hot spot ,not a fun position to be in, drag racing is important to me but living is a little higher up the list.
Neal

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here is example on the virus effects people in different ways ,my brother in law has his in-laws in a nursing home in Connecticut, which has had 20 or so deaths so far ,, his mother in-law has been tested with the virus and has no symptoms,she is in her mid 80's but yet cannot be moved out of the room to a clean room ,,

i work for a company that builds medical automation equipment
eppie pens
diabetic syringes (from start to finish )
self testing machines for common cold,flu,strept throat
blood collection butter flys

my wife works at the police dept as a animal control officer,, several infections in that place ,could of had as well ,, when some talks about a cold the gets it !
,

questions : is the test accurate? on the razors edge
: how did the infection get contracted so fast ? is it in evey person and just needs a activation from a final part
:hell i could of had it and didnt know,so far my immediate group of friends are healthy,(did we all have it and did not show symptom's)

this seems to be lottery of some sorts

:or am i just lucky !

yeah taking all of the precautions to prevent any opportunity for it to be contracted ,, i don't have any finger prints left or formica on the counter tops ,,

just my take ,, the daily news update is so over done with all the bad statics (yeah we need to know) but the media is feeding all the bad to this so bad its not funny

they don't share the good (how many are released from the hospital)
(how many have it and don't show symptoms)

i have no solution for this but again just my .02 cents

my car isn't ready yet ,but it will be in a month !!

gmonde

p.s. stop hoarding stuff!!!!!!!!!!!

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If you look up the R-naught value of the common flu it is about 1.3 and the R-naught of Corvid-19 was at the lowest number I could find above 2. At 1.3 the common flu would infect around 14 people after 10 cycles of contact. Covid-19 at 2 with the same cycles of contact is 1024. Then throw in the fact that there is no "herd Immunity" for Covid-19 and you have a way more contagious flu.

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Neal, you and your family stay safe and healthy. Health is VERY important to all of us. I am 70 and want to see my 3 great grandchildren for several more years, along with friends and other family.

To everyone out there. Stay safe and healthy and do what you think is right for you. The future of our country depends on as many of as possible being around for our families and friends. Everyone stay safe and just know that I am praying for you all.

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Stewart,

I see that the CDC said they saw median numbers for R0 for COVID-19 at 5.7.

I would think that just by observation one would notice that COVID-19 is more contagious and more deadly than the seasonal flu.

Respectfully,
Bill

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