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Fred Elsass 08-20-2025 05:19 PM

Is Stock and Super Stock Performance Eliminators.?
 
It would be if you did the following;


Only class winners run eliminations.


Their fastest run would be their handicap. Breakout in force.


Those who did not win class would have a shoe polish eliminator after class eliminations.


Go as fast as you can.


Sarge

Billy Nees 08-20-2025 06:31 PM

Re: Is Stock and Super Stock Performance Eliminators.?
 
Just go back to the old way with Class Winners in and the rest of the field the fastest qualified non-Class winners.

Dyno 08-20-2025 06:52 PM

Re: Is Stock and Super Stock Performance Eliminators.?
 
And you would get 20 racers to show up! Old ideas from old times. Hate to say it.

Larry Hill 08-20-2025 07:17 PM

Re: Is Stock and Super Stock Performance Eliminators.?
 
I believe that there would be a better mix of cars and or trucks if it was class winners and then the rest. Is it not the racers fault no one else built a same class car. Comp style racing belongs in comp. If your the only one in class you still have to run on or below the index to get into the eliminator. Talk about folks stepping it up to get in on time after class winners that will make racers pullout the stops. Indy where AHFS does not belong.

GarysZ24 08-21-2025 12:59 AM

Re: Is Stock and Super Stock Performance Eliminators.?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyno (Post 715573)
And you would get 20 racers to show up! Old ideas from old times. Hate to say it.

I sincerely doubt that, given the numbers of racers going to Indy, was significantly large even in the years prior to high dollar race car campaigners influencing NHRA to change who'd make the qualified field!

I don't hate to say this, because I'm certain that many years ago when this change happened, there were posts about racers who lost their class elims, but felt robbed because their .7-.8sec under high dollar cars were left out of the 128 car field, by low buck car's that only ran .5 under their indexes and/or won their classes as single car entries!

Mike Pearson 08-21-2025 07:28 AM

Re: Is Stock and Super Stock Performance Eliminators.?
 
Not really a viable idea any more. There is not many national events that contest class anymore. If something like this were to be done then make it the same .50 under to set records be the same trigger for class win and automatic entry to the eliminator

Billy Nees 08-21-2025 07:37 AM

Re: Is Stock and Super Stock Performance Eliminators.?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 715574)
I believe that there would be a better mix of cars and or trucks if it was class winners and then the rest. Is it not the racers fault no one else built a same class car. Comp style racing belongs in comp. If your the only one in class you still have to run on or below the index to get into the eliminator. Talk about folks stepping it up to get in on time after class winners that will make racers pullout the stops. Indy where AHFS does not belong.

Larry, I agree with all of the above EXCEPT for the last sentence. Just how long should a 2 second under truck with a ridiculously soft HP factor be protected?

Larry Hill 08-21-2025 09:07 AM

Re: Is Stock and Super Stock Performance Eliminators.?
 
I did not have anything to do with the Hp on the truck. For us it was cheep class car for us to build so Chris could race the Cuda and I the truck. Last time I checked the truck is 29 Hp up from stock.
Back to your question I don?t know but, Indy is the place to Show and Tell without any worries.

James Perrone 08-21-2025 09:21 AM

Re: Is Stock and Super Stock Performance Eliminators.?
 
Today im going to New England divisional
My mission is to go 65-70 under to save my 350/255 comb in Nova
Gotta run HSA haven?t run it in years gonna weigh 3500 lbs
Gonna test to slowdown WTF
Makes zero sense to slow down fast race car. Geez

JP1738 08-21-2025 03:58 PM

Re: Is Stock and Super Stock Performance Eliminators.?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by James Perrone (Post 715592)
Today im going to New England divisional
My mission is to go 65-70 under to save my 350/255 comb in Nova
Gotta run HSA haven?t run it in years gonna weigh 3500 lbs
Gonna test to slowdown WTF
Makes zero sense to slow down fast race car. Geez

I'm devastated to hear about your troubles. Do tell us how hard it is to be so high achieving. Me personally, I am so glad I don't have to live with the crushing weight of being the envy of my peers. Thank goodness I'm not one of those people who is constantly bloviating about how hard it is to be successful.

This is what you sound like.^

James Perrone 08-21-2025 06:25 PM

Re: Is Stock and Super Stock Performance Eliminators.?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JP1738 (Post 715598)
I'm devastated to hear about your troubles. Do tell us how hard it is to be so high achieving. Me personally, I am so glad I don't have to live with the crushing weight of being the envy of my peers. Thank goodness I'm not one of those people who is constantly bloviating about how hard it is to be successful.

This is what you sound like.^

Hey Dawson, if you worked hard on your combination as your Internet presence
Maybe you?d have something worth racing
Where do you see me bragging
You don?t fit into this conversation
This conversation pertains to..
Is stock eliminator a performance class?
Just pointing out that I have an issue with my combo
You have enough trouble, just qualifying without worrying about who your opponents gonna be 1st round
Think about that.
It?s not super street.

Tex013 08-21-2025 07:19 PM

Re: Is Stock and Super Stock Performance Eliminators.?
 
can I ask a question ? As I dont have a dog in the fight but love watching from afar .
If St/SSt is a performance eliminator but noone seems to want to run all in due to going too fast - possible HP hit .
WHY do racers keep chasing more and more HP .
WHY do racers keep wanting more aftermarket items ? Apart from items no longer available .
WHY build a car that goes 1 or 1.5 etc under but never use it or only complain you cant use it ? Or complain if a racer does actually use it .
Really it seems the only time you can go mostly all in is heads up in class , rest of the time is dyo to lesser or more degree .
I bracket race , ET 10.00 - 12.99 , and the same happens here whether too fast ET or too fast for required safety gear .
It just seems like a contradiction .


Tex

JP1738 08-21-2025 07:36 PM

Re: Is Stock and Super Stock Performance Eliminators.?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex013 (Post 715607)
can I ask a question ? As I dont have a dog in the fight but love watching from afar .
If St/SSt is a performance eliminator but noone seems to want to run all in due to going too fast - possible HP hit .
WHY do racers keep chasing more and more HP .
WHY do racers keep wanting more aftermarket items ? Apart from items no longer available .
WHY build a car that goes 1 or 1.5 etc under but never use it or only complain you cant use it ? Or complain if a racer does actually use it .


Tex

I ask myself this all the time. I live at the bottom of the Q sheet and am easily having more fun than many folks that don?t. I love a hood heads up run and the performance aspect of the class when it arises, but I get to avoid it thanks to my combo

JP1738 08-21-2025 08:20 PM

Re: Is Stock and Super Stock Performance Eliminators.?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by James Perrone (Post 715604)
You don?t fit into this conversation

Oh, I?m sorry. You don?t like people introducing themselves to conversations that don?t pertain to them? Well me neither. Remember when you got in my comment section and started talking trash about me? Cause I remember that.

https://i.postimg.cc/kgW7SbK3/IMG_7481.png

Aka: Mr. Nobody

James Perrone 08-21-2025 09:35 PM

Re: Is Stock and Super Stock Performance Eliminators.?
 
Dawson
I would like to apologize
For Absolutely NUTHIN
Yourbutthurt about that softball comment you put Facebook
You like attention so a gave it to you
Keep,typing I have some racing to do this weekend
You should do the same

Sean Cour 08-21-2025 10:15 PM

Re: Is Stock and Super Stock Performance Eliminators.?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by James Perrone (Post 715592)
Today im going to New England divisional
My mission is to go 65-70 under to save my 350/255 comb in Nova
Gotta run HSA haven?t run it in years gonna weigh 3500 lbs
Gonna test to slowdown WTF
Makes zero sense to slow down fast race car. Geez

Please do, as a I have one in the works!
Thanks!

JP1738 08-21-2025 11:18 PM

Re: Is Stock and Super Stock Performance Eliminators.?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by James Perrone (Post 715612)
Keep,typing I have some racing to do this weekend
You should do the same

Leaving all of that other nonsense out, this we can agree on. I’ll be at the race track again this weekend just like I have been every Saturday for the last 6 months. Working on my stuff, getting better, enjoying my time and money, and not telling anybody whether they do or don’t belong in class racing.


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