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Lots of contradiction in that rant....

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There is truth in his rant. Most people don't know what there looking at, and many sellers are delusional with their asking price.
I'm looking for a car and it's frustrating.

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Who is this clown. what people do with their cars is not his concern. so that was a selfish rant. he needs to get a life

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I only have one race car. I do have a big garage full of race car stuff and tools. I can tell you there is no one in my family that will want my race car. Once I decide to retire i will have to liquidate all my possessions to be able to live my final years. Once I am gone someone can liquidate what is left.
Any true Muscle car in good condition is always going to be worth a decent price. The junk that is being built since the mid 70's will not be worth much other than scrap. Prices will vary with demand. There will alwasy be collectors of things old.

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We sold when Brother John died of black lung. I'm asking this question of all my tools. A lifetime of Snap-on that I brought home with me @ retirement. Box and contents weighs 1200 lbs. My son doesn't even change his oil. He's a keyboard guy, not a wrench.

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In his bio, he talks about sometimes teaching shop classes to High School kids. If he really thought it was all over, why does he bother? Like I said, contradictions.

There is a really good chance that your kids won't follow in your footsteps. That doesn't mean that nobody wants your car.

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I believe the point he's trying to make is that this will not be a Middle Class hobby much longer, the younger generation has an entirely different outlook on life.

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There is someone that will want that tool set. Its rare to see a son follow in his fathers footsteps. My dad was a nuclear physicist. He worked for General Electric in their nuclear weapons department. He was very handy. his main tools were a hammer, vise grips and a crescent wrench. He could do damn near anything with those tools. He fixed everything he owned. If he threw something away no one could fix it.

I did not follow his path. I went right from High School to working construction. I excelled at my construction career and it has been very good to me. He saw a car as transportation. I liked hot rods and race cars. I too am a DIY guy. When my dad died i got a few things from him. I got his 2004 Silverado pick up. a few hammers and vise grips and his dreams. I never dreamt before he died. Immediately after he passed i started to dream all kinds of things. He told me many time he dreamt like a full color movie. I always expected to see him riding with me in the truck. That never happened though. Truck was totaled about a year ago. Now i just have the dreams, vise grips and the memories.

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I think he is 100% correct in several ways. How many engine builders are under the age of 50 years old out there? How many young chassis builders? When I started racing Stock in 2015 I was one of the younger drivers. Not the youngest but on the younger side at 48 years old.
I?ve watched and helped clean out several of my father?s friends estates. Their kids or loved ones have either no interest, can?t afford it or can?t store the stuff. Numerous racing friends have kids that don?t go racing with their parent (Jr dragsters started changing that trend) and have no intent of ever racing that car. The why question is out of my pay scale. I can only say it is definitely happening. NHRA has a similar issue. Even though the Jr program has brought in some of the racers kids to follow in the footsteps it seems to miss on the ?new? blood, kids whose parents were not racers already.
Maybe having a Junior rental or driving school program would help, maybe having shop class in HS, or more trade schools represented or ?
It?s an ongoing problem, the pool is drying up and needs to be addressed.
No tracks in the NYC metropolitan area is a local concern but I think it may be in other cities too. I wish I had answers. Long Island?s Race not Street program has had some growing success but it?s a year to year program that has a very limited season, late Aug to Oct.

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And I can't count the number of times that idiot uses the word "reality". In "reality" it sounds to me like he might be the one with the problem.

Way back when, my brother-in-law ordered a brand spanking new 1970 Road Runner post with a 440-6BBL setup, 4-speed, 4.10:1 Dana, bench seat and little else. Super cool muscle car. It now needs restoration. He's questioned me about restoring the car for him and I've questioned him about selling it. But as he tells me, he doesn't care what anyone else thinks - it's his "baby", as long as he can go out into his garage and look at it -- restored or not, it makes him happy. I'm sure it brings back a flood of memories and I can truly appreciate that.

I personally have a pretty neat 1971 Corvette in my garage I enjoy working on. My daughter has called dibs on the car and she can have it when I go out to pasture. In the meantime, I'll go out to the garage every day and either work on it, or look at it and fondle my tools. It's my car and I'll do with it what I want.

I'm old. So is my brother-in-law. Our old cars make us happy. That's the real point. Fork that guy with the rant...and the over-stuffed ego.. :)

Wayne

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Hi Daren! This guy isn't talking about our race cars. He's a restorer of some sort.
It's common to have kids follow the excitement of being IN Dads race car someday, knowing someday you're going to be the one in that seat. The ones I see are kids put in cars by their race driving parents and supported by either the parents or gandparents,or both. Cheering them on from the track, or home. He is talking about mainly classic cars, after pop is dead. Dave Frick, a really close friend, just died of a Parkingtons brought on (only) by agent orange. (The ejected Eddie from this forum really helped Daves family in his last years with money from the VA) Dave bought a 68 Camaro as soon as he got home from Nam., And then to the dealer and purchased a new 1st Design L-88. 5:13's, Hookers, Creager's, Super Shifter. Later took it to Kronenbitters and had mini tubs put in it. Yellow with a black vinal top. Very nice piece. The one and only time at the track it ran 10.90's. Now his kids (in their 40's) are in a huge fight over it. It most likely will get sold after the dust settles. It has caused a huge family feud. At one time this car was the envy of Maple Avenue. Something for us old guys to consider....
This video is coming from someone in their 40's. That means his kids more resemble my grandkids. My grandkids are exactly as he sounded off about. Neither of my grandkids like cars, one of them hardly ever even drives. I think he's right ...

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Well, I guess that I am really Blessed!

My Pops was a racer and a car guy

I am a racer and a car guy myself
(Went to my first race over 70 years ago)

My son Jon is a racer and a car guy
(Won his 1st Wally @ 15)

My Grandson Logan is a racer amd a car
guy (Won his first Wally at Div. 7 finals last
year @ 9)

Wesley 7 another Grandson has his Jr. Dragster
and will be starting next year.

My 3 years old twins Grandkids Trevor and Rosie went
To Div. finals with us last weekend and now sit in the race
cars and dream about their turn coming up.

Our dozen race cars and old muscle cars will get used
for a long time and stay in our shop.

Life is Good!

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You are a lucky man John,very few have someone to follow in there foot steps.

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How about this;

How many ads have you seen where they have two or three times invested than the asking price.
Or, beautifully rotisserie restored cars asking astronomical prices that they will never see.
Or, absolute rust buckets asking 10K or more.
I follow BAT and other sites daily and the market is all over the place.

Most twenty somethings want a BMW not a Duster or a G1 Camaro.

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He was on Garage Squad with Bruno Massel, his name is Joe Zolpher. I understand what he's saying, but our demise has been greatly exaggerated!!!




Bret Velde
2003 I/SA

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Two of my boys are currently racing in super stock, my oldest had raced a few years back. I am thankful for all of them, John

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Unfortionally works both ways. I had to do some whole sale selling when my wife was battling cancer. My daughter loves my racing. I guess I messed up not getting her behind a wheel at an early age. Always a chance still!

Paul Haszlauer

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When I retired I got rid of everything, knowing no one in the family (even though my boys are gearheads they were not interested) wanted all this stuff unloaded everything except my fire suit and Helmet (including fire proof underwear with skid marks), still have all the safety gear. My wife said well what are you gonna do with that. Told her you will bury me in it. If she cremates me it might take some time..LOL

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I don't fully agree with him that the bottom will fall out of the 60,s 70,s muscle car market, because I predicted the same thing 10yrs ago. Although it will probably cool down a little because all these cars will be in the hands of millionaires and they might eventually get tired of buying and selling each other's cars.
I really enjoy watching the auctions on TV, but I'm convinced they have made it impossible for any hard working middle class car nut to afford one of these cars. Several years ago I spent 2-3 hrs looking at cars at Mecum Dallas before they went across the stage. I'm pretty sure some of these cars had been in a pasture a few weeks earlier. Power washed, patched up, painted, nice new wheels and tires....But amazingly the fat cats in the reserved section sipping on wine where absolutely paying all the money!

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I really don't care....at this point and at this rate...I'm going to wear it out before I die, as long as I have my health I will travel and race every single day I can from now until the Good Lord says it is my day to pass on from this planet. And I'm seriously chasing races not points at this point in time...The only Div. This year I won't race in is Div. 5...had to make a choice between D2 and D5.

Win or lose I am having a blast. Wife and kids are extremely supportive, only the oldest boy at nearly 50 next month would carry on, but is too busy with 4 of his own kids at this point in life, just like I was 18 years ago.

Each situation is different, ranting and raving means too busy on the net to be really doing anything meaningful these days.

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AMEN BROTHER!!!!