DQ at Reading
 

What happened to stock 1778?

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My teardown was complete and the carb, engine and head all passed. The engine was being reassembled and one of the tech guys noticed holes in the secondary blades of the carburetor that has been checked three times in the last 5 years and countless times when the car owner himself raced it. After the Williams DQ at Indy it never crossed my mind to even check mine seeing how many times that carburetor has been inspected already. Tough DQ to deal with when the National Tech director tells you he knows it does not enhance performance but has to DQ you. But, it is clearly in the book.

Just because you have been inspected before does not mean you are legal. If you run a carb let my misfortune help you and check those blades with your own eyes.

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Things like this don't help their reputation any...

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If there are holes in the blades. It's getting a fuel signal.

Paul H

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When it is idling or when the blades are vertical?

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I think we are all missing the point here!

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Holes drilled in throttle blades on carburetors are simply to allow the throttle blades to be closed enough at idle to not expose the transition or intermediate circuit, so that excess fuel is not added, and idle mixture can be fully controlled by the idle circuit. It merely allows the carburetor to idle on the idle circuit. The holes are NOT there to expose any of the transition, intermediate, main, or other enrichment circuit to any signal, but rather, in fact, NOT to.


In the case of the Holley carburetors, they are in the secondary plates to allow the secondaries to move some of the air required to make the engine idle. The ALLOWED modifications to the Holley carburetors INCLUDES replacing the secondary metering block or metering plate with a different plate that MAY include an idle circuit. The rule in question was there to prevent, for some reason, the use of four corner idle circuits and adjustability. Currently, when using a secondary metering block or plate that includes and idle circuit, you are supposed to block the idle mixture adjustment screws with plugs.

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Appreciate your transparency Joe. Best of luck the rest of the season.

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Tell us Dean. You and your NE brethren always seem to have something to say when a topic about Santangelo arises. Sad part is you guys bitch and complain on classracer, Facebook etc but none of you have the stones to walk over to his trailer and address it with him or put up the money with NHRA and have him throughly checked

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Hey Dave- any time you would like to come visit me- you are welcome! As for my feelings for Joe- he is clear how I feel. I spoke with him face to face at Charlotte. I would suggest you first learn what you are talking about before you open your mouth! I do not need anyone to speak on my behalf. Dave you should also know that I speak from facts not emotions!

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Doesn't help racers at Indy either

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Okay you guys keep going at it I got my cold beer and fresh popcorn ready. Life is just to short on pointing fingers are one another. Have much respect for you guys.

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Dave your a pretty smart guy, if your referring to my Facebook post, if you noticed i didn?t mention a name, even when people were asking who it was, I didn?t mention a name. If you read the post correctly you would have been under the impression I was asking if NHRA has ever given someone a pass at Indy because they say they can?t tear an engine down because the engine builder isn?t on the property, has that ever happened for anyone else?

If not they are either setting precedent or playing favorites, which isn?t right nor fair to the rest of the competitors. Especially the ones that lost to ?someone? who wasn?t ?legal?

I understand the carb issue blah blah blah, I could care less about that actually, I was more concerned about conduct with NHRA.

Tim Stickles

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Luckily for you guys Lonnie Grimm and Pat Cvengros are a mere 50 yards away from where you are parked and you can ask them. Ill save you the steps because I was already there and the response is, verbatim, Joe was never approached about a tear down at Indy whatsoever. He was sealed after q1 here at Maple and a teardown was conducted after q3.

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Somebody got a pinocio nose

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Oh?.well that?s interesting since everyone knew this tear down was coming before this race even started, but that is probably just rumor mill and probably just a coincidence that it happened.

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I was at a race winner teardown at Pomona in the early 1970's. Unfortunately it was not for me. But I was helping the winner teardown. Farmer and a couple of his guys were checking the components. This racer had blown his own engine bracket racing at Irwindale on Tuesday evening earlier in the week, I believe it was. Anyway, we were all staying at a California friend's house who raced a similar 350 chevy stocker but was not competing at the Winters. So his engine went in place of the broken one. You want something scary trying going thru teardown with an engine you don't know anything about. Farmer was aware of what had happened earlier in the week. The teardown was essentially over and all the parts, CC's, bore and stroke etc had checked. Farmer was checking the head gasket thickeness. Needed 0.021" to pass with the deck height. I am standing right besides Farmer and watch him read the dial indicator. Look down at the card to see what was needed to pass. The indicator I could see and it read 0.017", Farmer looked at it again and called out 0.022", he gave him 0.005" that was not there. And the win was good. I know later in my racing life, this would never have happend when Jim Dale was national tech director. And while Farmer was tough, there was some compassion there too. I am sure if this had been for class or after first round, he would have thrown the individual out. Evidently after the race, with him being the only one reading the caliper, there was room for compassion. I have been thru more that 70 NHRA teardown's some were pretty special. There was one for class at Indy where Jim Dale would only let me remove bolts from my engine. He had a tech guy at the front and rear of my car and Tech guys would take the parts up to the bench and check them. Jim and I did not see eye to eye. There was the time at Milehighs where I was the first one to break out there in the final against my friend Steve Hahn. At the scale, I tell Dale, Steve is fine by me, he doesn't need to be torn down. Dale says that's too bad, because I want to see you both apart as he jumps in my car and rides up to the base of the tower with me, this at about 1:30 am Saturday night. Makes me stay with the car at the tower and send friends to get tools. Some individuals have no compassion and maybe they shouldn't. Who really knows. By the same token, why have rules that don't impact performance. Change the frigging rule so you aren't throwing good racers out. They can add or take away horsepower at the drop of a hat, they can also change rules the same way. Anyway, there has been some precedence for letting things slide in the old days.

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Now there?s a name from the past! Jim Dale
There was time when we had 2 National Tech Directors an East Coast Jim Fagan and a west Coast Jim Dale either non to talented!

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if he was wrong at Reading, and it is the same carb, then he was wrong at Indy-Correct?
?

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So...
This is what happens when you have sporadic to no tech inspection...
According to Joe and others, they have been running these carbs for in some cases I've heard 5 years, and been inspected numerous times and given a clean bill...

So it is clearly an infraction according to rules...
However inane, it's still a rule...
But it has been overlooked apparently for some time...
In this case it's easily and cheaply fixed...
Fix it and move on...

You can't have it both ways, everyone complains of no tech...
When you get it everyone complains...

I hope they keep on with inspections...

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Joe did admit he had the same carb at Indy. However, I've never heard of a retro-disqualification, if that's what you're getting at. It's considered water under the bridge.
A racer could have different carb or even a different engine in his car at a current race.