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Larry similar concept, as bending exhaust. I've used a few but have had good results with Bendtech, they have a few different programs from very basic to fairly complex. Look at their site I believe they even have some programs you can "try" on the site. I bought their 3D software and like it, however it does take a bit of getting used to compared to the basic systems. BTW I've messed up on more than one piece of tubing before, not the end of the world I've always found a way to use it even if it's on another project. I prefer for someone to have to "look" for the cage versus it being obvious a bit more work but worth it. Joe