Do you think the divisional doubles are a good idea?

Mike Fuller · 06-24-2025, 07:36 PM

We attended the double this past weekend at Norwalk and listened to a number of racers express their option as to whether doubles are a good idea. One of the things I heard was that the doubles cost working racers three vacation days to get two grading points. If divisionals were Friday, Saturday and Sunday as they were in the past you could go to five divisionals and use five vacation days. I would guess that about 50% of the Stock and SS racers are retired so this issue would affect them less. What is your view of this?

JGrossijr · 06-24-2025, 08:54 PM

Doubles are awesome!
The only thing better is when the weekend before or after is a national.
Doubles cut travel time, stacking/set up time, and fuel cost in half.
At Vegas you get all that with adult entertainment and an international airport 30 min away.

George Wright · 06-24-2025, 09:15 PM

I attended a double in Vegas a few years ago and enjoyed it very much. Doubles work great for divisions that don't have high car counts. I have also attended the St. Louis double a few times and most recently the Norwalk double. Not good. Too many cars. We always get our allocation of qualifying runs cut short, like only one versus three at a regular 3 day points meet. Several times we had to race first round in the dark at 10 PM because they are afraid to use the Sunday rain day. However the Norwalk race had so many rain delays that they had no choice but to use Sunday. Please....NO DOUBLES for Division 3.

Joe Santangelo · 06-24-2025, 09:27 PM

No. They are a FANTASTIC idea.

GTX JOHN · 06-24-2025, 09:29 PM

We love Doubles, they save us a lot of travel
expenses and time!

e vassar · 06-24-2025, 09:38 PM

I love them!
If we lose anymore tracks in D4..we might have a triple.

JeremyDuncan · 06-24-2025, 10:50 PM

Not a Fan of the doubles. Bigger car count divisions should not be having doubles. Especially Wednesday to Saturday.

Also it makes zero sense to run Alcohol Car at doubles. Norwalk usually draws a crowd at Divisonal races. There couldn't have been 100 paid non crew/family spectators for the whole week and weekend at Norwalk. After extensive rain delays they still gave Alcohol cars three qualifiers on Friday and completed their eliminations on Saturday. While SST, STK, SC,SS,& SG only got one qualifier for second race.

Many people bring up an aging participant base, however if you cater to retirees you can't expect younger racers to join the divisional races.

GTS340 · 06-24-2025, 10:51 PM

We are blessed with out west weather. Very few weather delays. We have class run offs in Vegas and Bakersfield. Life is good!

Paul

Lenny5160_v2 · 06-24-2025, 11:49 PM

I like them, but I can certainly sympathize with arguments against them. Vacation days being one, but especially one qualifier for the second event for classes that have non-qualifiers going home without racing.

BIGG18c · 06-25-2025, 10:11 AM

Other than Brainerd my closest divisional is 550 miles one way, doubles are the best option for me cost wise.

06-24-2025, 07:36 PM	#1
Mike Fuller Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 947 Likes: 543 Liked 192 Times in 76 Posts	Do you think the divisional doubles are a good idea? We attended the double this past weekend at Norwalk and listened to a number of racers express their option as to whether doubles are a good idea. One of the things I heard was that the doubles cost working racers three vacation days to get two grading points. If divisionals were Friday, Saturday and Sunday as they were in the past you could go to five divisionals and use five vacation days. I would guess that about 50% of the Stock and SS racers are retired so this issue would affect them less. What is your view of this? __________________ Mike Fuller 396 STK

06-24-2025, 08:54 PM	#2
JGrossijr Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Brentwood, California Posts: 98 Likes: 369 Liked 455 Times in 59 Posts	Re: Do you think the divisional doubles are a good idea? Doubles are awesome! The only thing better is when the weekend before or after is a national. Doubles cut travel time, stacking/set up time, and fuel cost in half. At Vegas you get all that with adult entertainment and an international airport 30 min away. __________________ Jim Grossi SS 7856 Last edited by JGrossijr; 06-24-2025 at 10:46 PM. Reason: Added content

06-24-2025, 09:15 PM	#3
George Wright Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 184 Likes: 10 Liked 383 Times in 34 Posts	Re: Do you think the divisional doubles are a good idea? I attended a double in Vegas a few years ago and enjoyed it very much. Doubles work great for divisions that don't have high car counts. I have also attended the St. Louis double a few times and most recently the Norwalk double. Not good. Too many cars. We always get our allocation of qualifying runs cut short, like only one versus three at a regular 3 day points meet. Several times we had to race first round in the dark at 10 PM because they are afraid to use the Sunday rain day. However the Norwalk race had so many rain delays that they had no choice but to use Sunday. Please....NO DOUBLES for Division 3. __________________ George Wright https://9500rpm.com Last edited by George Wright; 06-24-2025 at 09:18 PM.

06-24-2025, 09:27 PM	#4
Joe Santangelo Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: MARLBOROUGH CT Posts: 163 Likes: 225 Liked 204 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Do you think the divisional doubles are a good idea? No. They are a FANTASTIC idea.

06-24-2025, 09:29 PM	#5
GTX JOHN VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Boulder City, Nevada 89005 Posts: 2,724 Likes: 2,774 Liked 2,445 Times in 690 Posts	Re: Do you think the divisional doubles are a good idea? We love Doubles, they save us a lot of travel expenses and time! __________________ John Irving 741 Stock 741 Super Stock

06-24-2025, 09:38 PM	#6
e vassar Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 380 Likes: 67 Liked 270 Times in 107 Posts	Re: Do you think the divisional doubles are a good idea? I love them! If we lose anymore tracks in D4..we might have a triple.

06-24-2025, 10:50 PM	#7
JeremyDuncan Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 264 Likes: 1,154 Liked 351 Times in 79 Posts	Re: Do you think the divisional doubles are a good idea? Not a Fan of the doubles. Bigger car count divisions should not be having doubles. Especially Wednesday to Saturday. Also it makes zero sense to run Alcohol Car at doubles. Norwalk usually draws a crowd at Divisonal races. There couldn't have been 100 paid non crew/family spectators for the whole week and weekend at Norwalk. After extensive rain delays they still gave Alcohol cars three qualifiers on Friday and completed their eliminations on Saturday. While SST, STK, SC,SS,& SG only got one qualifier for second race. Many people bring up an aging participant base, however if you cater to retirees you can't expect younger racers to join the divisional races.

06-24-2025, 10:51 PM	#8
GTS340 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Las Vegas, Nv Posts: 861 Likes: 260 Liked 1,316 Times in 402 Posts	Re: Do you think the divisional doubles are a good idea? We are blessed with out west weather. Very few weather delays. We have class run offs in Vegas and Bakersfield. Life is good! Paul

06-24-2025, 11:49 PM	#9
Lenny5160_v2 Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Inver Grove Heights, MN Posts: 172 Likes: 456 Liked 218 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Do you think the divisional doubles are a good idea? I like them, but I can certainly sympathize with arguments against them. Vacation days being one, but especially one qualifier for the second event for classes that have non-qualifiers going home without racing. __________________ Tony Leonard S/ST 56 S/C 53

06-25-2025, 10:11 AM	#10
BIGG18c Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: North Dakota Posts: 44 Likes: 19 Liked 38 Times in 16 Posts	Re: Do you think the divisional doubles are a good idea? Other than Brainerd my closest divisional is 550 miles one way, doubles are the best option for me cost wise. __________________ Grant Christianson C521 S/G,S/C, S/PRO