Original hemi dart information

[HEMIDARTDAVE]

As far as two Darts being shipped to the same dealership, Bob Banning's dealership in Hyattsville, MD recieved one(stick) that Tom Sneden and Bob Banning Jr. drove , and a second(automatic) Dart that went to John DeRosa. The DeRosa Dart is in this weekends Mecum auction.

[68hemiss]

Paul,
If you get that info (shipping information) from Hurst I would be interested in trading you for some of factory paperwork that I have collected (over 200 pages). There were a few dealerships that recived two cars (I have some info showing where the first 50 cars went - no VIN #'s though) Bob Banning got two as mentioned, Lennox dodge in Atlanta also got (2) (Bill Tanner's and Ray Dailey's), In the first 50 it shows 13 cars being sent to Grand Spaulding. It is funny because Norm says he got all the cars at one time but I KNOW this to be not true but almost everyone I have talked to who bought their Dart at Norm's said they were told that their car was the last one and they were not getting any more! Good sales pitch huh? There were an additional 30+ Darts built. Paul, I don't want to seem overanxious but I would really love to see the Pomona Speed Dart. The Manhatten Speed dart that was mentioned before may have been a Dart out of PA. Two guys bought it never ran it and sold it to someone in NY - the guy paid with a check and well, it bounced! They went back up to NY to Repo the car - the guy had raced it and had broke the engine by this time. The Manhatten Speed Dart doesn't look like it had been painted yet and the lettering was temporary - I haven't checked on it but it is a good possibility as that car seemed like it was around for a short period of time and then disapeared.
Mark J

[68hemiss]

The Sox & Martin cars are the hardest to trace. What poeple don't always know is that Sox & Martin bought & sold a number of cars. They had at least 2 cars in 68, 69 & 70 (and 1 in 74) but these were not the same cars! They sold off some of the old cars and built new ones. Anyone know where Joe Fisher is these days (ex-S&M shop Foreman). A number of racers cars were sold to S&M: Dead Nicopolis, Joe Smith, Dave Wren, ect... Were these cars turned into the new S&M cars or were they sold? I know of a guy who has an 8" x 10" Les Lovitt photo of S&M first Barracuda that still has the paperwork in the window and is readable but I have been trying to get a copy of it for 5 years! He just likes collecting old race car pics and isn't too concerned with it but he doesn't realize how important this is to someone who is trying to document all the cars produced. I have had a few people mention that if you want to know the numbers for Charlie Castaldo's Dart decode the windshield paperwork shown when he picked up the car - there was a picture. But if you look the paperwork is arranged differently than on the Castaldo Dart and the numbers decode to another car.
Mark J

[68hemiss]

I was told that after the garage crash (Parrilo & Cerrone Barracuda) which was supposed to be the Harris Motors car. That the old Gaudreau car and the Harris car were combined to build one car. I have spoken to both and they won't say which car it is now. The last owner got the same response. I had heard that the Carpinet car had titanium door hinges (among other things) at one time and was quite trick! I visited Tom Tigenelli a couple of years ago and he still has his old 68 Hemi SS/B Cuda and Man, is that one trick car- even by today's standards! I will post some photos later.
Mark J!

[jimi]

here is a pic of lou centolanza's new 1969 formula s 383 4 bbl 4spd g/s car , i did the alignment today and i am going to set the rest of the suspension this week. hopefully he can get to the track in the next few weeks.


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[Paul Ceasrine]

Mark J,
Yes the shipping information will be the key to the missing puzzle. Both incoming cars, and out-going. It's been like pulling teeth to get the info, but I will persist. What I wouldn't do to get a peak at the Bill of Lading
paperwork. I have to go through an old union supervisor from Anchor Motor Freight, who handled shipping at GM in Tarrytown, New York.
You know union bosses You must say please...all the time.
I will continue to work on it.

HEMIDARTDAVE, You are correct, I guess I missed a shift their. Yes several prominent dealerships must have gotten a secondary Hemi S/S
car. What I meant to say, was that in the Connecticut area, I wouldn't think that a single dealership got multiple cars. The northeast area
(eastern-Connecticut, Massachussets, New Hampshire, Rhode Island
and southern-Maine) only had (2) solid drag strips to choose from.
Connecticut Dragway, East Haddam, CT and New England Dragway,
Epping, New Hampshire. Also, a third, Orange Dragstrip, Fitchburg,
Mass.(closed in 1970). It appears that (5) original Darts ended up in the northeast; Bill Flynn, New Haven, CT
Joe Patelli, Springfield, Mass.
Gene O'Neill, Worcester, Mass.
Bob Ramstrom, Worcester, Mass.
Chick Brignolo, Norton, Mass.
Paul

[Paul Ceasrine]

For the information passed on to me.
On the Bill Flynn SS/B Hemi Dart.
The sponsorship deal between Bill Flynn and his previous group
"The New York Dodge Dealers", who sponsored his 66' Cuda A/FX
Funny Car ended.
Very odd, a Connecticut-based drag racer drives a 66' Plymouth Barracuda, and is sponsored by the "New York Dodge Dealers".
Looks like the Long Island, dealers wanted A/FX-Funny Car exposure at the new Long Island Drag Strip (New York National Speedway).
Since Bill was an established Dodge/Plymouth racer, he was offered
one of the first-run Hemi Darts. The first 50 or 56, depending on
what information is out there. Whether he paid the racers price of
$4200 or not, cannot be documented. The car was sponsored by
County Dodge, New Haven. Not completely sure if it was delivered to County Dodge for Bill Flynn, or if it was delivered to Bill Flynn at his Performance Center, and then sponsored by County Dodge?
One thing is for sure, the Dart "Yankee Peddler" was at the Super Stock Magazine Nationals, at New York National on 7/21/68, as part of the
Magnificent "11".
PC

[Charlie A]

Originally Posted by 68hemiss

Paul,
If you get that info (shipping information) from Hurst I would be interested in trading you for some of factory paperwork that I have collected (over 200 pages). There were a few dealerships that recived two cars (I have some info showing where the first 50 cars went - no VIN #'s though) Bob Banning got two as mentioned, Lennox dodge in Atlanta also got (2) (Bill Tanner's and Ray Dailey's), In the first 50 it shows 13 cars being sent to Grand Spaulding. It is funny because Norm says he got all the cars at one time but I KNOW this to be not true but almost everyone I have talked to who bought their Dart at Norm's said they were told that their car was the last one and they were not getting any more! Good sales pitch huh? There were an additional 30+ Darts built. Paul, I don't want to seem overanxious but I would really love to see the Pomona Speed Dart. The Manhatten Speed dart that was mentioned before may have been a Dart out of PA. Two guys bought it never ran it and sold it to someone in NY - the guy paid with a check and well, it bounced! They went back up to NY to Repo the car - the guy had raced it and had broke the engine by this time. The Manhatten Speed Dart doesn't look like it had been painted yet and the lettering was temporary - I haven't checked on it but it is a good possibility as that car seemed like it was around for a short period of time and then disapeared.
Mark J

Way back when.....post 110.

The Manhatten Speed Dart mentioned as lost. A few other comments about it early on in the same area.

Maybe now ??????

[68hemiss]

I have been able to verify the Dart out of PA was not the Manhattan Dart - This Dart is alive and well - I have the complete history on it.

[viperakron]

Sorry if it's been mentioned but I didn't read the entire 11 pages. But there is a guy in WI that organized the Hemi Reunion that has all the Vins for the LO and BO cars with history on most.