Dick Landy 'Q & A'

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

X-Tech,
I forgot about mass-weight.
Your right, Dick an easy 60-75lbs. heavier than the svelte Ronnie Sox.
Looks like Nutri-System and low-fat Yogurt were a little late for D.L.
Too many hot dogs and burgers with fries, on the road trips.
Bet Dick never said, more 'romaine lettuce'.
PC

Dick liked his Tyrolia Wine to.
I believe he car we bought was his 5th Dodge. I financed it through a bank, and he had Mike put a number (vin) on it. Paid $4500 (I think) for the roller no motor or trans. Rented a trailer in New York a towed it to California to pick up the car. With a slant six plymouth fury.

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by art leong

Dick liked his Tyrolia Wine to.
I believe he car we bought was his 5th Dodge. I financed it through a bank, and he had Mike put a number (vin) on it. Paid $4500 (I think) for the roller no motor or trans. Rented a trailer in New York a towed it to California to pick up the car. With a slant six plymouth fury.

Long live the leaning tower of power!

JimR

[Paul Ceasrine]

Art,
Smart move to head out to California with a 225 Slant-6.
You can't kill those things.
I bet if you put the 6-banger in the Challenger, (as is after the California tow trip)), run SS/X,Y or Z, you probably would have set the record.
Not too many sold cars got the 'secret' motor and transmissions!

Tim,
On the 68' Winternationals. I think the SS/EA record was a soft 12.20 or so, set by either a 67' GTX 440/375HP or 67' Camaro 396/325HP in
late 67'. The 68 GSS 440 Dart ran pretty much 12.00's throughout, but I'll check it for you.
Paul

[Paul Ceasrine]

Tim,
1968 NHRA Winternationals
Landy won the SS/EA class final with a 12.01 @118.73 over
Gas Ronda with a 12.02 @116.27.
In Super/Stock Eliminator, they met again, in the First round. Landy won
with a 11.91.
The famous photo of the Winternationals by Larry Davis, with the
GSS 440 Dart and SS/E Al Joniec Cobra-Jet Mustang is the
semi-final for S/S Eliminator.
Butch Leal was driving the car, and he ran an 11.81, but red-lighted.
PC

[Paul Ceasrine]

Tim,
The finals, Al Joniec versus Dave Wren.
I think the Dave Wren car was a 63' steel-nosed Max-wedge Plymouth car. Ram-air hood scoop, 415HP.
Sponsored by '93 Chrysler-Plymouth' out of Missoula. Montana.
Car was the SS/DA National Record holder, but I think was classed in SS/D for the Winternationals.

As for the A/MP stuff. That book states Dick ran a 10.49 in the 'lightened' Charger.

But I think the NHRA B/MP record was 11.33 at that time, and held by Dick Arons in a Motion/Performance backed Camaro.
In no uncertain terms, any of the 'factory-backed' racers were told to stay away from A/MP for the time being, in 1968. I think the
B/MP class winner E.T. at the 68' Indy Nationals was an 11.44.
So my info does sound correct.
PC

[Phillip marvetz]

Tim,
The finals, Al Joniec versus Dave Wren.
I think the Dave Wren car was a 63' steel-nosed Max-wedge Plymouth car. Ram-air hood scoop, 415HP.
Sponsored by '93 Chrysler-Plymouth' out of Missoula. Montana.
Car was the SS/DA National Record holder, but I think was classed in SS/D for the Winternationals

Dave's 63 was/is a aluminum max wedge car, He still owns it and bring's it up to Mission Raceway sometimes. It run's 10.90s with a stocker engine in it.

[Paul Ceasrine]

Art,
Very nice Challenger!!!

Phillip,
I thought the steel-nose Max-Wedge Plymouths's ran in SS/D class, and the aluminum-nose cars ran in SS/C...???
Anyway, an 11.56 @ 120.64 in the 1968 Winternationals S/S Final
is still great,, Win or Lose!

Tim,
The Hemi Darts (or one of them) were at;
1968
March - Hot Rod Magazine Drags (Riverside, California)
June - AHRA Springnationals (Bristol, Tenn)
June - NHRA Springnationals (Englishtown, NJ)
July - Super/Stock Magazine Nationals (New York National Speedway, L.I., NY)
August - Cars Magazine Extravaganza (Cecil County, Maryland)
August - AHRA Nationals (New York National Speedway, L.I., NY)
September - NHRA Nationals (Indiannapolis, Indiana)
October - All-Star Super Stock Meet (Englishtown, NJ)
October - World Finals (Tulsa, Oklahoma)
Not sure on the dates for;
* AHRA Grand Nationals (Detroit, Mich)
* AHRA Drag World Super/Stock Championship (Wichita, Kansas)
Paul,,,, (That leaves only a limited amount of time for match-racing)

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz

Tim,
The finals, Al Joniec versus Dave Wren.
I think the Dave Wren car was a 63' steel-nosed Max-wedge Plymouth car. Ram-air hood scoop, 415HP.
Sponsored by '93 Chrysler-Plymouth' out of Missoula. Montana.
Car was the SS/DA National Record holder, but I think was classed in SS/D for the Winternationals

Dave's 63 was/is a aluminum max wedge car, He still owns it and bring's it up to Mission Raceway sometimes. It run's 10.90s with a stocker engine in it.

In 1967, NHRA allowed the low comp 415hp cars to run the lightweight noses. They ran SS/C in 67, SS/D in 68. NO re-factoring either!

Arlen Vanke, Dave Wren and a couple of others had great success doing this.

With a factoring of 7.73, it put these right at the top of SS/D in 68 (7.70-8.69)

So to be clear, Dave Wren’s car was originally a steel nose, fitted with a lightweight front clip car and the 415hp engine.

The 425hp engine would have put the car in the middle of SS/C in 68 - 7.54 lbs/hp.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

Art,
Smart move to head out to California with a 225 Slant-6.
You can't kill those things.
I bet if you put the 6-banger in the Challenger, (as is after the California tow trip)), run SS/X,Y or Z, you probably would have set the record.
Not too many sold cars got the 'secret' motor and transmissions!

Tim,
On the 68' Winternationals. I think the SS/EA record was a soft 12.20 or so, set by either a 67' GTX 440/375HP or 67' Camaro 396/325HP in
late 67'. The 68 GSS 440 Dart ran pretty much 12.00's throughout, but I'll check it for you.
Paul

The Challenger would have had to have some mods to be able to run Superstock. But it would have made a killer street race car at the time.
We were going to run it in B/G with a clutchflite trans.

[Paul Ceasrine]

Art,
Did your Challenger come with a VIN tag?
From what I've heard, quite a few of them got removed from DLI's inventory of cars.
Did you ever see him at New York National 68'/69'/70'?
PC