Stick or Automatic

Rich67stang · 10-22-2011, 03:33 PM

Any clutch recommendations, Gforce suggested 10.5 soft lok from Mcleod.

Dinsdale · 10-22-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich67stang

Any clutch recommendations, Gforce suggested 10.5 soft lok from Mcleod.

That or a Rob Youngblood setup. Jeff Lee will be here to give you his info! Pretty much the only two choices since you need to have the adjustability.

Brad Zaskowski · 10-22-2011, 09:22 PM

Stick all the way!
The only dis advantages are the b.s. 250lb weight break the slush box cars get in Modified SS like Jim said and you will not be able to put on makeup or text while going down the track.
Get the 10.5 Mcleod soft-lok like G Force suggested, that is what we run in all three of our cars with very little maintenance. I think I made 4-5 clutch adjustments all year in my SS car making close to 100 runs. Even in Chuck D's CJ with a new McLeod clutch and a driver that had never let the clutch go in a race car we had only a couple adjustments to get the new combo set up and a couple more throughout the year.
As far as your reaction times as long as you have a mechanical clutch linkage and NOT a hydraulic clutch linkage your reaction times will be consistent. Your R/T will be a little quicker than a mod car with an auto but that can be adjusted with tires, air gap, suspension and other adjustments.

Jeff Lee · 10-23-2011, 12:44 AM

Advanced offers a 10" Sportsman or Dual 7" Sportsman. McLeod offers a 10.5" (they also offer dual 8" but it is a diaghram pressure-plate). Advanced flywheel and components are custom built to your application all in-house, not shelf items like McLeod. Advanced offers continuous consultation. Good luck getting through to McLeod (now owned by B&M).
10" Advanced is priced the same or nearly the same as McLeod 10.5" (both approximately $2100 with the Dual 7" Sportsman approximately $2900).
McLeod makes a great product. They started the "soft-lok" phenomonen which radically changed the stick-shift drag racing world. You won't go wrong getting a McLeod. Brad Zaskowski has obviously had great results with his McLeod.
And like any good product like McLeod, better ones came later. Advanced took the concept to a higher level in my opinion (and I've run both).
Keep in mind these units are made to fit in a 6.1 SFI bell housing which are in the $500 +/- range. Billet clutches are required to run 6.3 (?) bell housings; typically a $1500-$2500+ unit that will not conform to a stock style floor board / firewall transition.
No, I don't work for either McLeod or Advanced.

Rory McNeil · 10-23-2011, 03:17 AM

Jeff, McLeod also offers a 10" Soft Lok, I`ve been running one in my M/S 85 Mustang for years, as well as a 10 1/2" Soft Lok in my 428 Ford powered bracket car. As for McLeod being owned by B&M, my understanding is that B&M did indeed purchase McLeod a few years back, but enged up selling it back to Red Roberts about a year later. During the B&M tenure, the tech support really suffered, it seemed that the B&M tech guys were always pushing the "Street Twin" dual disc street clutch, even on drag cars. Happily that is no longer the case, although I don`t think that George or Les came back.

Dinsdale · 10-23-2011, 05:00 AM

McLeod was saved from B&M ruin by Funny Car owner, Paul Lee. Red was then back with the comapny. Soft lok's are used by the majority of stick racers out there and are a very good product (shelf item or not). You can get a complete 10.5 setup for $1850.00 from Jegs and several guys around the country are authorized re-builders.

Advance is a higher end product and is priced accordingly. Seems to be the choice for those looking for that last bit of ET. I know a few guys who have recently bought them but no results either way on any improvement.

Matt Welker · 10-23-2011, 12:00 PM

You may also want to give Tim Hyatt a call. He will hook you up with a soft lock at a good price and give you excellent support to go with it. I go down the track consistently and have minimal maintenance as well, and started with no stick knowledge.

Brad Z is one of the most successful stick racers in the country, I don't think you need to look any farther than that on advice on how to run a stick car.

Matt
SS/AH 114

10-22-2011, 03:33 PM	#1
Rich67stang Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Jackson, NJ Posts: 313 Likes: 3 Liked 116 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Stick or Automatic Any clutch recommendations, Gforce suggested 10.5 soft lok from Mcleod.

10-22-2011, 09:22 PM	#3
Brad Zaskowski Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 203 Likes: 132 Liked 130 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Stick or Automatic Stick all the way! The only dis advantages are the b.s. 250lb weight break the slush box cars get in Modified SS like Jim said and you will not be able to put on makeup or text while going down the track. Get the 10.5 Mcleod soft-lok like G Force suggested, that is what we run in all three of our cars with very little maintenance. I think I made 4-5 clutch adjustments all year in my SS car making close to 100 runs. Even in Chuck D's CJ with a new McLeod clutch and a driver that had never let the clutch go in a race car we had only a couple adjustments to get the new combo set up and a couple more throughout the year. As far as your reaction times as long as you have a mechanical clutch linkage and NOT a hydraulic clutch linkage your reaction times will be consistent. Your R/T will be a little quicker than a mod car with an auto but that can be adjusted with tires, air gap, suspension and other adjustments. __________________ Brad Zaskowski 3697 STK, SS

10-23-2011, 12:44 AM	#4
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Stick or Automatic Advanced offers a 10" Sportsman or Dual 7" Sportsman. McLeod offers a 10.5" (they also offer dual 8" but it is a diaghram pressure-plate). Advanced flywheel and components are custom built to your application all in-house, not shelf items like McLeod. Advanced offers continuous consultation. Good luck getting through to McLeod (now owned by B&M). 10" Advanced is priced the same or nearly the same as McLeod 10.5" (both approximately $2100 with the Dual 7" Sportsman approximately $2900). McLeod makes a great product. They started the "soft-lok" phenomonen which radically changed the stick-shift drag racing world. You won't go wrong getting a McLeod. Brad Zaskowski has obviously had great results with his McLeod. And like any good product like McLeod, better ones came later. Advanced took the concept to a higher level in my opinion (and I've run both). Keep in mind these units are made to fit in a 6.1 SFI bell housing which are in the $500 +/- range. Billet clutches are required to run 6.3 (?) bell housings; typically a $1500-$2500+ unit that will not conform to a stock style floor board / firewall transition. No, I don't work for either McLeod or Advanced. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX Last edited by Jeff Lee; 10-23-2011 at 12:49 AM.

10-23-2011, 03:17 AM	#5
Rory McNeil VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: from Vancouver BC Canada, now in Nova Scotia Posts: 1,311 Likes: 317 Liked 1,105 Times in 303 Posts	Re: Stick or Automatic Jeff, McLeod also offers a 10" Soft Lok, I`ve been running one in my M/S 85 Mustang for years, as well as a 10 1/2" Soft Lok in my 428 Ford powered bracket car. As for McLeod being owned by B&M, my understanding is that B&M did indeed purchase McLeod a few years back, but enged up selling it back to Red Roberts about a year later. During the B&M tenure, the tech support really suffered, it seemed that the B&M tech guys were always pushing the "Street Twin" dual disc street clutch, even on drag cars. Happily that is no longer the case, although I don`t think that George or Les came back. __________________ NHRA 6390 STK M/S 85 Mustang

10-23-2011, 05:00 AM	#6
Dinsdale Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 313 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Stick or Automatic McLeod was saved from B&M ruin by Funny Car owner, Paul Lee. Red was then back with the comapny. Soft lok's are used by the majority of stick racers out there and are a very good product (shelf item or not). You can get a complete 10.5 setup for $1850.00 from Jegs and several guys around the country are authorized re-builders. Advance is a higher end product and is priced accordingly. Seems to be the choice for those looking for that last bit of ET. I know a few guys who have recently bought them but no results either way on any improvement. __________________ Dale Posnick

10-23-2011, 12:00 PM	#7
Matt Welker Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Clear Spring, MD Posts: 193 Likes: 1,467 Liked 77 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Stick or Automatic You may also want to give Tim Hyatt a call. He will hook you up with a soft lock at a good price and give you excellent support to go with it. I go down the track consistently and have minimal maintenance as well, and started with no stick knowledge. Brad Z is one of the most successful stick racers in the country, I don't think you need to look any farther than that on advice on how to run a stick car. Matt SS/AH 114 __________________ Matt Welker Stock 1741, SS/AH 114 www.facebook.com/welkerracing

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