Rambler All-American

[Tom keedle]

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

There it is, on the SC/Rambler Hurst specification sheet.

#3160 lbs. (10.03 Wt/Hp Factor),,,,,,,F/Stock

Does anybody remember if the listed weight of the car was exaggerated by AMC to get the car into F/Stock (10.00 - 10.49 Wt/Hp).

Some say E/Stock for 1969, and others say F/Stock.

The 1967 Rogue hardtop with the 343 engine weighed in at #2971 lbs. Where was the other 189 lbs.

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those subframe connectors,disc brakes,torque links, etc. all add up...


btw, i think the 343 ramblers in 67 were the reason for the connectors....
they're NOT a very stiff car without them...

[Dwight Southerland]

According to the classification guide, the SC/Rambler shipping weight is 3058. In comparison, the '65 Chevy II SS with a 327 is 2882 and the '66 Chevy II SS is 2917. Considering that the AMC V8 is approx 60 lbs heavier than the SBC and that AMC used a cast iron T10 to GM's aluminum Muncie, the weights seem reasonable and not "adjusted".

[Tom keedle]

dwight, were the bellhousing cast iron or aluminum?

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by Tom keedle

dwight, were the bellhousing cast iron or aluminum?

Aluminum

[Paul Ceasrine]

* Cast pistons
* Forged connecting-rods w/larger 2.25" journals
* Forged crankshaft
* Special cooling features (Heavy-Duty Radiator)
* Power-Flex Fan
* Fan shroud
* Performance Camshaft (.425 Lift / 265* Duration)
* Hydraulic lifters
* Non-adjustable rocker arms
* Delco-Remy Distributor
* 10 1/2" Clutch-Disc

[Paul Ceasrine]

Car Craft, April 1969

A Hurst prepped SC/Rambler ran a 12.92 @ 107.86 MPH

Modifications:
* GoodYear 8.00 x 14" Slicks
* Crane 302H Camshaft (.477 Lift / 302* Duration)
* Crane valve train components (Springs, Retainers and Lifters)
* Competition valve job (3-angle valve job, milled surface and CC'd chambers)
* Edelbrock aluminum dual-plane high-riser intake manifold
* Holley 735 CFM vacuum-secondary carburetor
* Distributor (re-curved and vacuum advance removed)
* Champion N-12Y Spark Plugs
* Doug Headers
* 3.54 Gears

[Jeff Lee]

I took the average of the 5 road tests you previously posted (omitted the modified test cat with headers, etc.). The average was 14.33 ET. That sounds about right for the day.
I then averaged the MPH's, came out to 98.62.
For fun, I used the formula 1320/MPH = optimum ET. That of course is mainly used on a properly prepared car with tuned traction / suspension / clutch and driver. Obviously these test cars do not fit the bill but this demonstrates what we could do with todays slicks, clutches & suspensions and a fast shifting transmission.
1320 / 98.62 = 13.38 ET! That's a whole second faster "than the day"!

Now with the bolt on parts (cam, headers, intake, carb & slicks; "week #2" modifications), the 12.92 ET @ 107.86 equates to 1320 / 107.86 = 12.24 ET!

So if we could go back in time, we could buy a SC/Rambler for around $3,000 - $3,200 and drop another $500-$600 into it for bolt-ons and run very low 12's. Maybe even hit a high 11 with great air and 4.44 rear gears.
Day #1 (stock) = 14.30's. Day #14 (bot-ons) = 12.20's. Day #21 (gears) = 11.90's.

Not bad!

[Paul Ceasrine]

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

According to the classification guide, the SC/Rambler shipping weight is 3058. In comparison, the '65 Chevy II SS with a 327 is 2882 and the '66 Chevy II SS is 2917. Considering that the AMC V8 is approx 60 lbs heavier than the SBC and that AMC used a cast iron T10 to GM's aluminum Muncie, the weights seem reasonable and not "adjusted".

Thanks Dwight,,,,,,,,

Just what I remembered, the 1969 SC/Rambler was classed in E/Stock in 1969.

AMC did exaggerate the weight on their specification brochure.
The NHRA adjusted it to #3058 lbs., which was #102 lbs. less.

Performance Results

Car Craft (April 1969)
14.30 @ 99.00 MPH

Car and Driver (May 1969)
14.70 @ 96.30 MPH
Note: Press Test Car, with 3.54 Gears.

Road Test Magazine (June 1969)
14.14 @ 100.44 MPH
Note: Press Test Car, with 3.54 Gears.

Car Life (June 1969)
14.20 @ 98.50 MPH
Note: Press Test Car, with 3.54 Gears.

Speed and Supercar (1969)
13.56 @ 105.39 MPH
Note: Car equipped with 3.91 Gears, Doug Headers, Dual-point Distributor and 7" M & H Slicks.

Super Stock & Drag Illustrated (May 1969)
14.31 @ 98.86 MPH
Note: Press Test Car, with 3.54 Gears)

[Paul Ceasrine]

Ed,

The rest of the listed items;

* Color keyed exterior side-view mirrors
* Blacked-out grille
* Black tail-light lenses
* Hood pins
* Hurst SC/Rambler emblems (front fender, trunk deck-lid, glove box)
* 16:1 Quick-ratio manual steering
* Power assisted Bendix brakes
* Front disc-brakes 11.2"

* Dealer Invoice,,,,,,, $2732.95
* MSRP,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, $2998.00
* List Price,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, $3665.00