HP Reduction Request

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by Coleydog

Now just suppose, if one of these "defactored" engines start knocking the doors down, are they going to put hp back on? If you give to one the rest will bitch, especially if it's in their class.

Won't the AHFS take care of that?


Look, if anyone wants to imagine all the negatives that can happen because of this hp reduction, go for it. However, if ten new participants get to experience the fun, the comradery, the "Stocker community" and the thrills of the competitive racing we all have, we will all be better off and stronger. The purpose here is not to create a bunch of dime-rocket index killers (NHRA has shown to be plenty capable of doing that on their own). The intent is to try to attract more racers and expand on one of the core values of the Stock Eliminator category, showcasing the variety of American automobile history.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Look, if anyone wants to imagine all the negatives that can happen because of this hp reduction, go for it. However, if ten new participants get to experience the fun, the comradery, the "Stocker community" and the thrills of the competitive racing we all have, we will all be better off and stronger. The purpose here is not to create a bunch of dime-rocket index killers (NHRA has shown to be plenty capable of doing that on their own). The intent is to try to attract more racers and expand on one of the core values of the Stock Eliminator category, showcasing the variety of American automobile history.

Wow Dwight, I read that with a lump in my throat and a tear on my cheek!

[goinbroke2]

I think its an excellent idea.
20% reduction;
351W or M @ 230hp = 184hp
400M @ 240 = 192hp
300FI @ 190 = 152hp (coincidence was rated at 155hp with carb, good start point)
302 93 truck@ 215 = 172 (f series most sold truck, tell me 172hp wouldn't bring them out!)
460 @ 300 = 240hp

I think this idea is awesome, as soon as they're built and out there, then the factoring can begin. But, they only get factored if they hit the trigger, you can have guys build a combo, race it at -.500 all day long and enjoy the sport. Yes they might lose a heads up, at that point maybe they'll step it up, but they are still out there. If a killer combo is built, again, the trigger will be hit and they'll be awarded their present.

Love the idea, definitely get more cars out!

[Coleydog]

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Won't the AHFS take care of that?


Look, if anyone wants to imagine all the negatives that can happen because of this hp reduction, go for it. However, if ten new participants get to experience the fun, the comradery, the "Stocker community" and the thrills of the competitive racing we all have, we will all be better off and stronger. The purpose here is not to create a bunch of dime-rocket index killers (NHRA has shown to be plenty capable of doing that on their own). The intent is to try to attract more racers and expand on one of the core values of the Stock Eliminator category, showcasing the variety of American automobile history.

All well and good what you said, but I try to look at both ends, good and bad, all of that comes into the equation before any decision is made.

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by Coleydog

All well and good what you said, but I try to look at both ends, good and bad, all of that comes into the equation before any decision is made.

Believe me, I do too. But considering that the current class guide likely has several hundred index killers in it, even if the hp reduction move will add to that list the cars will have to be built before anyone gets concerned. I don't see many of the very capable cars that are currently in the class guide being built. If creating the opportunity for a lot of older cars to be competitive causes new cars to be built, that's way more important that worrying about them being a 'threat'. If they get built by new folks, we have expanded Stock Eliminator and that is the goal. If they get built by current racers, we have generated some new excitement and that is the goal. If they spur some 'retired' racers to come back out, then we have re-engaged some bystanders and that is the goal. The goal is to grow Stock Eliminator and make it fun for as many as possible.

[Coleydog]

Let's hope it works then

[amxron]

Most 6 cyl cars are rated higher than some V-8's now.
Great idea to get out diverse and older makes for sure.
Some folks leave the stands when stock is called because they
don't want to see a line of Camaros.

Goodluck w/nhra

Ron.

[goinbroke2]

You're so right Ron, check out any v6 or inline 6 ford in the truck section. The inline 300 is at 190hp, I tried to get it lowered last year and was denied. Look at the 302 in another truck at 215, which has approved rods/pistons/etc there is no comparison.

20% would take it to 152, it was originally at 155 with a carb and no doubt will make more than that with FI, but it would be incentive to build it. I would suspect after being hit (maxed out) it would end up around 175-180. Cubic $$$ will only take it so far, I don't see it ever hitting 190 or more.

The 2bbl 302 got some new cars built, but have they "took over the world" like some on here predicted? No, it was a good "proof in concept" of the idea and it worked. More cars were built and the ones that were pushed hard were corrected...kinda exactly like a win-win right??

I really like the idea.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by amxron

Most 6 cyl cars are rated higher than some V-8's now.
Great idea to get out diverse and older makes for sure.
Some folks leave the stands when stock is called because they
don't want to see a line of Camaros.

Goodluck w/nhra

Ron.

Before I started racing again, I started going to some national events to watch my old friend Mike Edwards run Pro Stock. I would go stay in the stands to watch some friends run Stock & Super Stock. When the fuel cars finished, the stands would empty. I asked several people leaving "Why don't you watch these?" Every time they would answer "Too slow", not one time did anybody mention a particular kind of car. Always just "Too slow". Guessing not enough noise or 300 MPH.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Before I started racing again, I started going to some national events to watch my old friend Mike Edwards run Pro Stock. I would go stay in the stands to watch some friends run Stock & Super Stock. When the fuel cars finished, the stands would empty. I asked several people leaving "Why don't you watch these?" Every time they would answer "Too slow", not one time did anybody mention a particular kind of car. Always just "Too slow". Guessing not enough noise or 300 MPH.

Ed, I was at Vegas last fall, and watched the folks file out of the stands when the Pro Stockers came out. Whole different generation of fans, I guess.
It's almost like there's two NHRAs now, and they don't seem to care much about ours.
Don't mean to go o/t here.